Talk:Quintesson

I feel like there needs to be a "Quintesson (faction)" page in addition to a page discussing their race and their 120 body types. (I exaggerate... but not by much.) -Derik 07:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I can get behind that, sort of. Well, I'd leave this as the Faction and then do a "Types of Quintessons" page or something similar. -hx 11:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Honestly I think "types of quints" would probably make more sense just as a sub section here, so I started it as so, feel free to delete or move it if others feel otherwise. Question: The two pics I uploaded are refered to in the TFU entry as Guard and Gatekeepr, but I've seen them named elsewhere as Baliff and Executioner, but with no official source listed for thos tittles. Does anyone know if those are deffinately official and where they're from, off hand? --ZacWilliam 11:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

IIRC, the baliff designation comes from the 'The Ultimate Guide style' additions someone was making last year. Baliff isn't from the original TFU, and it's not from MtMtE, and I'm pretty sure it's not from TUG. So unless it's from, like, the original movie script of Dery's character models... it's probably not official. -Derik 11:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, I think you're in denial about the number of types of Quintessons there are. I'm pretty sure there's at least ten... -Derik 11:54, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sure there are a ton more that I listed, I just did the immediately obvious ones to start. Yeah, Deary must have given them a TON of quint designs or just went back to the well almost every time the show called for quints, as there are a TON of variations. --ZacWilliam 12:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think "bailiff" and "executioner" were my doing. More suitable names for the types based on what they actually did in the movie, I thought. Didn't realise they'd, uh, sunk in like that. - (Chris McFeely, here, who can't seem to stay logged in for more than a page.)

McFeely! Just the man I wanted to pin to the wall!

Quint ships, quint body types... the original scripts... refered to how? -Derik 01:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Holy thingie! IDW's new "The Ark" book uses my "Bailiff," "Executioner" and "Inquisitor" terms. Clearly someone was checking up on the Quints on Wikipedia... - Chris McFeely 19:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm torn between irritation- and elation that we'll have something official to call them.

At least they didn't steal from Wikipedia to canonize something wrong. -Derik 19:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm particularly happy to see that it's resulted in their using the right names for the Quintessons' faces, instead of the Ultimate Guide ones. - Chris McFeely 19:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

And these are?

And on the original subject... I'm really wary of splitting this page with a "types of Quintessons" other page. It seems... like an utterly unnecessary link-jump. "Types of Quints" would, I think, be best served as we have it now... and under each type, make sure to link to the named examples of said types, like Ghyrik and Sevax. Preferably in list form, methinks. --M Sipher 21:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

As mentioned in the article, they're the Faces of Death (skull-face, duh), Bitterness (fat-faced, turban-headed face), Doubt (spiky "old woman" face), Laughter (moustachioed starfish-head) and Rage (screaming, red-crested one). These were names given to the faces in a Comics Bom-Bom article (if memory serves?) based on the descriptions given for each of the faces in the script, which were, specifically, "smiling, angry, grimacing and suspicious." Not "War, Wrath, Judgement and Wisdom." - Chris McFeely 21:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, both face-name sets are official... and something we REALLY ought to have illustrated cleanly on this page. Have the full-on view of the face on the left, then the two type-names bullet-pointed to the right ...

• Bitterness (Character model)
• Wisdom (Ultimate Guide)

--M Sipher 22:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Mmn. I'd probably substitute the latter term for "Stupid made-up name Simon Furman pulled out of his butt because he didn't do enough research," but there we are. :) - Chris McFeely 22:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd actually reccomend sticking the Ultimate Guide names in a trivia note. They're so much... squishier than the Bon-bon terms. They don't mean anything. -Derik 23:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes. That. - Chris McFeely 23:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd recommend not. Personal feelings aside, the UG names are far more visible and ARE official. This contradiction of sources is frankly better addressed right up front rather than shuffling it off to the side. --M Sipher 00:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I have to agree with Siph. Oh if only Furman didn't suck... --Rotty 01:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

UG names, with Bom-Bom explanations of their meanings? -Derik 05:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

...no, just list them both, as illustrated above, because they are both official names for the faces. Simple, clean, free of playing favorites, and not pointlessly confusing the issue. --M Sipher 07:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm with Siph here. Both names are equally official. Judgement calls over wich are more evocative comes down to personal taste. Equal weight for both works best. --ZacWilliam 10:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Faction symbol

I am a big supporter of our humorous picture captions, so I'm surprised to be posting this, but I think the main one here *might* actually be a detriment. When the subject of a picture is obvious, which is most cases, the humerous captions are great, but the Quintesson faction symbol used for the main pic here is really pretty obscure. I can easily imagine someone comming across this page and not knowing what the heck that image is or where it comes from. Some sort of explanitory caption for that image would be rather useful I think. --ZacWilliam 12:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Besides, Nyeh comes BEFORE the He-Man! Duhhh! --ItsWalky 15:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

So, there used to be a faction symbol featured on this page? What’s the source of the tiny green Quintesson symbol found throughout the wiki, and seen in the top right corner of pages like this one? There is a newer Quintesson symbol found on Earthrise packages for the Judge, Allicon, and Slitherfang. Phil Bond (talk) 10:26, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

It's from the 2003 E-Hobby Overcharge toy. Escargon (talk) 10:30, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

The entry for that toy seems to indicate that that symbol is for something called a Terrorbot, which are only one category of Quintesson creations? Interestingly, according to the Terrorbot page, there's another unlikely toy this year with a Terrorbot association. Phil Bond (talk) 12:16, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

Terrorbots are Quintesson built creations. The symbol's been used since for Quintessons in general. Escargon (talk) 12:48, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

Has it been used to indicate Quintessons, not Terrorbots, anywhere outside this Wiki? Is the Earthrise Quintesson symbol the first explicit Quintesson symbol? Phil Bond (talk) 13:03, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

...Yes? That's what I just said. It's been used in guidebooks and some comics. Escargon (talk) 13:16, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

In fact, from the Terrorbot page itself: "The e-Hobby Overcharge drone is listed as a "Terrorbot" on the packaging. However, the Quintessons sell the drones to anyone who will pay. A sticker sheet is included so the buyer can assign his Overcharge to different factions. One of those factions is "Quintesson/Terrorbot" indicating that the Overcharge drones might only be considered "Terrorbots" when they are used by the Quintessons themselves." Escargon (talk) 13:21, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

Japanese Names

Acourding to some guy's translation of the Generations and First Series Complete books, most the Quintesson types have different names than what the scripts/marvel/wherever those names are from.

"Quintessa Kuintessa (Presented in anime/manga, no toys (except Sharktron))

GENERATIONS DESIGNATION 	KANA		(TRANSLATION)
FIRST SERIES COMPLETE DESIG.	KANA		(TRANSLATION)

(DESCRIPTION)

Quintessa Seijin		seijin     	("Quintessan")
Five Face Type			[FIVE FACE]taipu

(This is the five-faced kind seen in the movie, and many episodes.)

Quintessa Baishinin baishinin (Quintessa "Juror")

Saibankan Type			Saibankan Taipu	("Juror" Type)

(This is the single-faced long-headed kind seen in the movie and some episodes.)

--				--		
Shoutan Type			Shoutan Taipu	("Merchant" Type)

(This is the single-faced long-headed kind seen in one episode.)

What sets these two apart again? -Derik 20:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

--				--	     	
Kagakusha Type			Kagakusha Taipu	("Scientist" Type)

(This is the single-faced bulbous-headed kind seen in some episodes.)

--				--	     	
???				???

(This is the three-faced kind seen in one episode.)

--				--	     	
Mara Ar-Uta			Mara•Aruta

(This is the single-faced "wizard" kind seen in one episode.)

Quintessa no Monban		nomonban	(Quintessa's "Gate Watcher")
--				--

(This is the bi-pedal floating executioner kind seen in the movie and some episodes.)

Quintessa no Rouban		norouban   	(Quintessa's "Jailer")
Eihei			         Eihei		("Guard")

(This is the bi-pedal spear-weilding non-floating kind seen in the movie and some episodes.)

Primus and the Quintessons sittin' in a tree...

The Primus article mentions in passing that the Universe comics attempted to retcon together the Primus origin/multiversal necessity and the Quintesson origin from the toon. I never got those books so I wondering if someone could fill in the details under the "Universe" entry here?--ZacWilliam 10:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I could take a stab at it when I get back on Tuesday.... but if you want to do it before than I'd be happy to run cleanup. -Derik 17:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

If I had the books I'd be typing already. ;) I take it you're heading to Botcon? Me too. If so, hope to see you there.--ZacWilliam 20:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Nah, up north for my Birthday with my family!

Lousy timing isn't it? I could have completely rearranged the wiki while David was gone...-Derik 20:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah well, I suppose the Qunits will have to wait. I mean it's not Botcon, but being born is something to celebrate too I guess. ;P Have fun and Happy early B-day--ZacWilliam 21:22, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Quintessons as an Allegory for Toy Executives?

I just realized something after listening to my prof go on about allegories (extended metaphors used throughout an entire text). Maybe the Quintessons were a metaphorical way for the fiction writers to describe Hasbro and Takara executives.

Some similarities I've noticed include that both created the Transformers and both kill off various Transformers for reasons that may or may not make any sense in context with the rest of the fiction (the Quints in their weird sense of "justice", the execs To Sell Toys). Both also see Transformers as consumer goods (with the Quints killing off the Mutants in IDW's Beast Wars: The Gathering because they are "unmarketable products") and have no qualms about destroying characters, factions, storylines, etc. in pursuit of the allmighty dollar (or galactic credit, or whatever the hell Quints use).

Anyone else notice this trend, or is this just the rantings of a coffee-deprived English major? --Nightshade83 14:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Probably the later, but an interesting idea nonetheless. At one point after a gender-focused anthropology class I thought it quite "interesting" that the Decepticons tended to favor long phalic canon weapons, while the autobots icon was spherical womb-like and life giving. Try explaining that observation and not coming off odd.--ZacWilliam 14:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Zac... 'Matrix' means 'womb/mother,' the word dates from ancient Egypt.

Also I think that the Quints as Hasbro execs it a valid reading... but I think it rests almost entirely in aspects added to the fiction post-1987. In their original conception they are roman emperors (TF:TM) and unchecked, untemptered capitalism (Season 3.) The recurring riff about Quints not understanding complex emotions appears to be a specific attack on the 'Greed is Good' decade (80's,) arguing that the Quints have in effect become slaves to their own greed- eternally playing catch-up to try and recoup/make good their losses. -Derik 14:58, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I hate to admit this, but I've only seen TF:TM once, and I've never seen any Season 3 eps. But hey, Quintessons as general social criticism works just as well as direct allegories. The same basic message is put across -- Transformers are more than just toys to be sold. Good point Derik. --Nightshade83 02:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The Quint and Junkion sections of TF:TM are right out of Jonathan Swift, so... yeah. -Derik 05:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The other race?

While I was reading Unreleased Dreamwave issues#Generation_One I noticed something, the female Autobots work for the Quintessons, now I remember that in the Quintessson part of the MTMTE profile book 8 from Dreamwave a text mentions that there are rumours of the Quintessons having another secrete group of warriors on Quintessa besides the Sharkticons and Allicons. Could it be that that was a bit of foreshadowing to the Fembot arc and actually meant the Female Autobots?Dead Metal 12:19, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

That was exactly it, yes. -- Dark T Zeratul 15:22, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

Really awesome, and it only took a couple of years for me to figure that out myself I'm a god damn genius! Dead Metal 04:00, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

Judge faces

Is there a reason some of the names are in bold and some are not? Khajidha 16:25, 13 November 2009 (EST)

Okay, I unbolded (is that even a real term?) the second names on all of the Judge faces. I THINK that was the original intent of the bold/not bold text. If I was wrong, please let me know. Khajidha 21:14, 21 November 2009 (EST)

'Absolute cowards'

id like to dispute this line in the opening paragraph. the quintessons are extremely pragmatic and incapable of fighting, so if they are in danger they retreat but they showed little to no fear in most circumstances, and when they did is was equal or less than youd expect of most characters in their situation. in five faces of darkness when one fell into the sharkticon tank the others stated that he was to die as well, in response the doomed quint not only is utterly calm, and even praised their decision to let him die. so, do you think this line should stay? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Decay (talk • contribs){{#if:19:39, November 15, 2010 (EST)| 19:39, November 15, 2010 (EST)|}}.

That is a very good observation. - Starfield 18:52, 15 November 2010 (EST)

Organic or Mechanical

Since there's currently been some editing on the subject, I figured I would point out that Wreckers Finale Part 2 mentions Quintessons having both "technological and organic locomotion". This would suggest that even if their origin was wholy mechanical as The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue) states, that they have since become cyborgs. - Tindalos 16:58, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

Toys?

Where there ever any Quintesson toys? I'm talking about ones from G1, not Alpha Q.

Not official Hasbro/Takara-Tomy. There have been recent third party productions. --Khajidha 17:42, 7 August 2012 (EDT)

Quintus Prime

Should we have a bit in the section for the Alligned contiunuity Quints on their creation by Quintus Prime? I don't know the details (and, given the hefty price tag on the Covenant of Primus, probably never will), so I don't know if there's any more detail gone into than "Quintus Prime made the Quintessons, that's where they came from, moving on now". Also, in the G1 cartoon, the Quintessons made the Transformers. Now in the Alligned books, a Transformer made the Quintessons. Is the Alligned continuity Soviet Russia? --Nemesis Primal (talk) 00:50, 28 April 2014 (EDT)

That totally needs to be put in there by someone who owns a copy of the Covenant of Primus. Antimatter (talk) 03:09, 28 April 2014 (EDT)

AoE

They don't actually appear and aren't mentioned by name, but would anyone agree they are referenced?KrytenKoro (talk) 01:19, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

I wouldn't say so until it's more explicit. --ItsWalky (talk) 02:46, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

I came across an article on CBR, seen here, that refers to Quintessa from The Last Knight as one of the Creators glimpsed in Age of Extinction. That same article confirms that Quintessa and the Creators are Quintessons. --NexusShard17 (talk) 13:20, 18 January 2021 (EST)

CBR's random article is not a definitive source. Escargon (talk) 13:26, 18 January 2021 (EST)

Concepts

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/more-floro-dery-transformers-concept-art-quintessons-miniunicron/31524/ Is this important?

Named after a local restaurant

"Local" with respect to where?--Khajidha (talk) 20:00, 30 October 2017 (EDT)

Anybody?--Khajidha (talk) 12:45, 24 February 2019 (EST)

I've been trying to listen to recordings of Dille's panel at TFCON '16 to find it, but I haven't spotted anything yet. Look it up on YouTube; maybe you'll have better luck than I did -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 13:13, 24 February 2019 (EST)

Buncha new Quintesson toys

Should we... split some of these folks out a little because they're starting to get individual toys and names and stuff? https://comicbook.com/gear/news/transformers-war-for-cybertron-trilogy-quintesson-pit-of-judgement/ --ItsWalky (talk) 11:09, 16 July 2020 (EDT)

Considering what an overburdened mess this page is, yes. Saix (talk) 11:19, 16 July 2020 (EDT)

Earthrise toy

Can the Earthrise Quintesson toy actually hold the blaster it comes with via, oh, say a tab or something? Dingdongdude (talk) 09:37, 26 March 2021 (EDT)

yeah --notsoalex (talk) 09:41, 26 March 2021 (EDT)

Transformers One mothership

So, Jason Scheier said on Instagram that the mothership is an actual creature. (Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/DBZw-26yNC_/) Should it get a section here, on the page for Quintesson ships, or both…? — IGEBM13 (talk) 21:58, 24 October 2024 (EDT)