Talk:Reveal the Shield

Generations too?

What?

"Reveal the Shield is a promotion of both the Transformers and Generations toylines"?

I thought it was just a subline imprint of the 2010 Transformers line that runs concurrently with Generations, but doesn't overlap with it.--Nevermore 09:21, 12 December 2010 (EST)

That's what I thought it was, too. At least that, if not a line of its own. I certainly don't think it's just a "promotion." --KilMichaelMcC 10:31, 12 December 2010 (EST)

Toys have been released

Some of the 'not yet released' images can be removed now. Iyato.

"Subline imprint"?

What makes RtS a "subline imprint" while Generations and Power Core Combiners are their own toylines separate from TF 2010? The functional effect is that RtS toys are included on the TF 2010 page while the other two lines aren't, plus "(PCC)" is used as a disambig while "(RTS)" isn't. I don't understand the reasoning. - Jackpot 17:58, 19 March 2011 (EDT)

Power Core Combiners are verifiably their own continuity, which is why they get their own disambig. Reveal the Shield is less straightforward, in that its characters are drawn largely from existing continuities. Beyond this, both Generations and Power Core Combiners ran parallel to Hunt for the Decepticons and Reveal the Shield, had their own case assortments, etc. Thus, we've so far treated them as more comparable to Classics/Universe in their distinctness. Meanwhile, Reveal the Shield has all the telltales of a subline imprint, and indeed is just the latest in several in the toyline it occupies.--Rosicrucian^Talk 18:49, 19 March 2011 (EDT)

PCC's continuity isn't "verifiably" anything, especially in contrast to the rest of the 2010 offerings. It's a wad of contradictory clues, and Hasbro is explicitly agnostic about it. And ultimately I'm not even sure why that would matter, since we don't disambig by continuity, only franchise.

I don't understand what you mean by "ran parallel to". They... all came out at the same time? Okay, so why are HftD and RtS lumped together and the other two aren't? What are the "telltales of a subline imprint" that RtS has?

- Jackpot 19:02, 19 March 2011 (EDT)

RTS and HFTD both came on gold cards of the same design and occupy the same places in store planograms over linear time, implying that they're all parts of a contiguous toyline, no different from Beast Machines and BM: Battle for the Spark. I feel a little iffy arguing this because I've always strongly opposed the inclusion of the BM-era Dinobots as BM toys, but since the wiki already does that, this is exactly the same. Meanwhile, PCC has different packaging, a coherent line-wide play mechanic, and occupies different price points and different retail space than the goldbox toys. All of this is an explication of what to me seems self-explanatory, so if it's not a convincing argument, I apologize - it doesn't even seem like something that needs to be explained, from my perspective. -LV 11:35, 20 March 2011 (EDT)

Thank you for the elucidation. I'm genuinely trying to understand this, since I'm in the exact opposite boat in terms of intuition. Rosicrucian brought up "case assortments," and you say they're in the same "retail space," but I don't know much about either because I don't even know where to find case-assortment info, and I buy most of my TFs online. So bear with me here, but are you saying that RtS is actually a line-wide refresh that is supplanting the non-subtitled toys? So eventually there might be nothing but RtS on the shelves in the places where non-subtitled toys used to be, much like Battle for the Spark replaced the previous BM toys as the waves progressed? - Jackpot 16:16, 20 March 2011 (EDT)

Correct. The final wave of non-RTS-branded goldbox Deluxes (Terradive and company, as I recall) is followed immediately by the first wave of RTS (Traks and company). I don't believe any non-RTS toys ship in that Tracks/Jazz/Fallback/Mindset case, but it "goes" in the same places in a store. Contrariwise, Generations are in their own red packaging and continue beyond the rebranding of goldbox to RTS. They have different SKUs. They are ordered separately. -LV 17:42, 20 March 2011 (EDT)

Yeah, the RTS toys appear in the exact same retail shelf space that the HFTD toys previously occupied. HFTD deluxes and RTS deluxes even have the exact same Target DPCI number (That's the ID number Target uses in their computer system). I don't care one way or the other personally, but I definitely see the argument that RTS is the followup to HFTD. -hx 17:51, 20 March 2011 (EDT)

Okay, I think I'm getting it. So then where do these all fit, by that rationale?

Human Alliance Activators Power Bots role-play

Right now we include all of those under TF (2010). But it seems to me that those are just as independent of the HftD->RtS progression as PCC and Generations.

Edit: Actually, I just thought of a reason why they're different: They all existed under other franchises like RoTF and Animated, and that precedent lets us know that they're essentially "subordinate" lines. So, for example, if the PCCs had first come out under RoTF, then when they later appeared under TF (2010), we wouldn't have broken them off. Is that a fair assessment?

- Jackpot 18:41, 20 March 2011 (EDT)

All of the above you just mentioned are also effectively size classes, because as you said they are independent of toyline or even franchise. They are each a type of toy, aimed at a specific price point and sometimes with a unifying gimmick. "Human Alliance" is as meaningful a term as "Deluxe" in this case.--Rosicrucian^Talk 10:40, 23 March 2011 (EDT)

Australian version

• Here in the good old down under they're selling cheap figures at Coles ($7 Australian) that have Reveal the Shield written on the box but the packages are bluish-grey and the figures have normal faction symbols, no rubsigns. Is this notable? Indridcold13 (talk) 08:37, 23 July 2014 (EDT)