Talk:Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

Do you have a quote of Sentinel being specifically mentioned in the comic? I don't remember anything past the uni scene. While the original thirteen were killed by the Fallen in the comic and novel, there's nothing to confirm Sentinel wasn't a descendant like Optimus. Again, correct me if I'm wrongUser:Eire 20.14 Oct 12 09 (UTC)

"See, if you break down the elemental components of energon and assume a constant decay rate then extrapolate for each of the fourteen galactic convergences it took Sentinel Prime's expedition to get an echo you end up with a formula for inter-dimensional energy that mass and light alone can't possibly explain." - Starfield 17:28, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Erm ok, thanks for the quote Starfield, anyway, Jetfire explained in the adaptations that The Fallen returned to Cybertron, after the battle with the first generation for Earth, slaughtering all the Primes except for the child hidden from him (Optimus). Unless Sentinel is revealed to be alive in TF3, which is unlikely considering this was not mentioned in the final edit of ROTF, then he probably died because of The Fallen. Alientraveller 17:57, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Starfield, I actually wanted the answer Alientraveller gave. I'm well aware of Sentinel's existence in the movieverse, but I just couldn't remember a reference in issue 3 User:Eire

"the fourteen galactic convergences it took the Sentinel Prime expedition to"

"The", and no possessive.

Look, I think it's the leader of the 7/12/13 too... but the phrasing in the movie itself (which I just checked on, er... Youtube) isn't clear-cut enough to even say for certain that Sentinel Prime is an individual-- let alone that he's one of the 12! The phrasing is just... ambiguous, and the timeline is a godawful mess thanks to ROTF's 17,000 years retcon, and questions of whether the 13 in the movie are the 13 or not. (They're not. I mean... the movie fucking cut them down to 7. But until something official comes through to make it certain... it's just a collosal brain-ache that makes logical inference almost impossible.)

Now... I thought that something... (a book or video game?) mentioned movieverse Sentinel Prime in a clearer light, but if so... it was around the time we were swamped with new stuff, and the ref never got documented. Does this sound familiar to anyone else?

I have checked the following sources, and they do not mention Sentinel Prime in a helpful manner:

• ROTF novelization (quote same as movie, with an added bit at the end. Nothing from Jetfire's history lesson or the Infinite White.)
• The Movie Universe guidebook. No mention of Sentinel Prime by name

-Derik 23:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

The first time I heard Sentinel mentioned was in the movie. And the Sentinel Prime expedition. You'd be forgiven for presuming, and really there's no reason not too, it was named after the Prime in charge. And given the massively different origin of the Primes in the movie compared to the adaptations, it seems again logical that he's simple a predecessor of Optimus, not one of the original Primes. There is some assumptions being made, however they are logical assumptions. IF you're concerned, throw in a note at the bottom. Personally, I think it's a bit of an assumption that Sentinel in the comics is one of the original Primes, but I can see why AT put it the way he did User:Eire 13.35 Oct 13 09 (UTC)

Fannon

I'm really uncomfortable witht he ammoutn of assumptions and made-up shit on this page. The cited blog post does establish Sentinel Prime to be a character-- but it doesn't in any way say he's Prime and Megatron's father, or that he's one of the original 12. And the storylink citing his death... Sentinel Prime's name isn't even MENTIONED in that issue! -Derik 12:37, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

I'm just going to risk my life here and say "Is this Shattered Glass Derik speaking?" ---Blackout- 12:51, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

Move to (DOTM)?

Should we move this to "Sentinel Prime (DOTM)"? We moved "Soundwave (Movie)" to Soundwave (ROTF), ignoring when he was mentioned by Starscream in the UK magazine for the first film. Alientraveller 15:03, 11 February 2011 (EST)

An offhand mention in the freaking UK mag letters page is not exactly the same thing as Sentinel's existence being firmly established in the Revenge of the Fallen film. --Detour 15:18, 11 February 2011 (EST)

The Lord Of All Cheeses thirds the motion.

- ¡Usa El Queso! 10:25 PM, 15 February 2011 A.D.

Thirds what motion? We have one person on each side so far. -- Semysane 01:42, 16 February 2011 (EST)

I'm saying this page ought to be moved. Alientraveler proposed the idea. Detour seems to be saying this guy shouldn't be in ROTF (unless I misinterpreted; he seems to say "a mention in a UK comic's letters page doesn't count as Sentinel's existence in ROTF"). My vote makes a three.

- ¡Usa El Queso! 9:48 PM, February 2011 A.D.

Detour is pointing out that Sentinel Prime is mentioned in the Revenge of the Fallen film, which counts as establishing SP's existence, so ROTF is correct. --abates 21:59, 17 February 2011 (EST)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/Response%20Images/748411.gif -- Semysane 04:59, 18 February 2011 (EST)

Sam mentions Sentinel Prime during his meltdown in the classroom in Revenge of the Fallen, thus establishing Sentinel Prime exists as a character. As the first mention of Sentinel Prime is in Revenge of the Fallen, his article is as "Sentinel Prime (ROTF)". Clearer? :) --abates 05:13, 18 February 2011 (EST)

Oh, I got it. I just never get enough chances to use that image. -- Semysane 05:33, 18 February 2011 (EST)

I get that it's established wiki policy to always go with the earliest whatever, but it's very confusing to all but the most hardcore and observant RotF viewers and wiki editors (sorry for the redundancy there). In DotM he was the major plot-driving character voiced by an actor with decades of Transformers association; in RotF he was about a syllable and a half of incoherent mumbling. Unlike Arcee in the first movie franchise, S.P. didn't even get a toy in RotF. For the sake of clarity and the casual browser, might his entry be attached to the film in which he actually appears? Is there perhaps a more general title, even, to indicate immediately that this article fully encompasses the one singular character throughout the Bay films' continuity family? Bobcat2022 23:02, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

I think a simple redirect solves all problems. --ItsWalky 01:02, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

Sentinel~Vector?

Is it my imagination, or does Sentinel Prime bear a striking resemblence to Vector Prime?--Cydra 01:48, 13 February 2011 (EST)

Definitely your imagination. Karhukjnsi 05:49, 18 February 2011 (EST)

I see the resemblance mostly in those enormous shoulders. Beyond that, not really much of a resemblance. --Kaymac192 11:35, 3 March 2011 (EST)

Indeed. He more resembles RID Prime. 96.247.85.33 00:16, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

Sentinel Prime in Empire magazine.

How should we mention these images? --Kaymac192 11:42, 3 March 2011 (EST)

Caption

Live-action Hyper Goldfish? WTF is that?--TOM 13:51, 6 March 2011 (EST)

The Japanese version of Optimus Prime (RID) had a voice chip that sounded to some people as if it were saying "Hyper Goldfish Golfball". The Leader class Sentinel Prime looks something like the RID Prime, and is from a live action movie. Thus, Live-action Hyper Goldfish. I would recommend a crosslink in the caption, but some people hate those with an unreasoning passion. --Khajidha 14:00, 6 March 2011 (EST)

Much thanks for the clarification. The RiD Optimus Prime page doesn't even mention the background you so helpfully supply. Is there some sort of award for most obscure caption reference on the site? Bobcat2022 23:08, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

Alpha Trion caption

How does it not work anymore?--Primo 13:15, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

Personally, I don't see why it ever worked in the first place. --81.164.209.246 13:24, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

It never did, no. It was never an Alpha Trion homage redeco. It was just heavily-airbrushed enough to look purpleish. --ItsWalky 13:25, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

I think that was the joke (such as it was) that there's "already" an Alpha Trion redeco due to the purple nature of the image, which, at the time, was the only stock photo of that toy. Anyway, I replaced the photo because the colours were pretty damn wrong. --FFN 13:35, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

Two different Speed Stars Bumbebee two packs

Hey, why are there two slightly different Bumblebee Speed Stars two packs. Item 29596 and item 29588? The package art is even slightly different. Both should be listed, right? - Starfield 14:41, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

Three sayings on the Leader toy?

Er... there must be something I'm doing wrong, then.--Rosicrucian^Talk 02:05, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

You have to put a MechTach weapon in his shoulder peg hole to hear them.--Primo 16:12, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

Just tried it out and it's apparently true. Still, I'm pretty sure the article should mention that little feature and how to enable it... 58.69.69.194 21:43, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

Minor design flaw?

On mine, it looks like the left heel pieces don't seem to line up correctly, and as such don't snap together right. Is anyone else having this issue? -King Starscream 11:07, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

First, if I didn't have the same problem on mine, I wouldn't know which Sentinel you were talking about. Clarify a bit more next time? And yeah, mine does that too. It's flipping annoting. TheMZone 17:44, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

Could one of you tell us which Sentinel Prime you are talking about? --Khajidha 18:32, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

The Leader Sentinel. TheMZone 15:53, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

Sorry about that. Should have clarified - the Voyager wasn't out yet when I made the first post, at least in my area, and I didn't think of that. Found another, potentially - the clips that hold the shoulders in place BREAK EASY. They're tiny and thin, which I didn't notice until the piece on the left arm fell apart while it was being transformed. Anyone else have the same issue here too? --King Starscream 14:38, 7 August 2011 (EDT)

We need to make this a featured.

Any way we could come together and finish his fiction sections and whatnot? I think it's important this page is our featured this coming month, like The Fallen was for the last movie. I'm pretty okay with just promoting it anyway once July starts, even if there's some stuff left out. It just needs a spotlight. --ItsWalky 02:05, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

Spoilers on Sentinel.

Okay, I haven't seen the movie yet, but I have seen spoilers, and there is one question I have that could seriously spoil for anyone, so be warned: Should we consider Sentinel a Decepticon? -- SFH 15:58, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

No. --ItsWalky 16:01, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

My memory may be fuzzy, but doesn't he call himself a Decepticon once they take over Chicago? Or does he keep calling himself an Autobot?KrytenKoro 17:13, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

Sentinel makes a point of slapping Megatron around when he tries talking like they're all a happy family, so...no.ShinRa Actual 18:05, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

I've noticed this news actually spread on this site already (Shockwave's page pretty much blows it). Should we remove instances that we see so not to spoil the film just yet Riddlerj 10:11, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

Sentinel Prime wouldn't be the first Autobot to make a deal with the devil. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dragonspike74 (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

Definitely not. It might just be the way I interpreted his lines and mood but he seemed almost disgusted that he felt he had to make a deal with the Decepticons to save Cybertron. I certainly don't think he sees himself as one of them at all. Just an Autobot traitor. 86.31.67.9 11:15, 16 July 2011 (EDT)

In the comic book adaptation, at least, he calls himself the "true leader of the Autobots", and claims that Optimus is the traitor. So, that should be absolute, explicit proof that he's considered an Autobot.192.249.47.165 14:08, 21 July 2011 (EDT)

He essentially usurps control of the Decepticons from Megatron (as evidenced by Carley statements to Megatron), commands them AS HIS OWN FORCES (And in fact the Decepticons are his only forces in the film) and tries to have all of the Autobots killed, not to mention he admits to having beleived the war to be unwinable by the Autobots thus striking a deal with Megatron and Megatron seeming to have accepted him as an equal with SENTINEL being the one trying to subdue MEGATRON.I see no reason that we shouldn't put him as a Decepticon seeing whos side he's on in the film. He doesn't seem to have any intention of commanding the Autobots at all. Sentinel's got much more of a case then Lockdown who simply sides with the Decepticons more often than the Autobots due to the higher pay they give him but still works with the Autobots like when he helps that series' Sentinel to roundup Decepticons whereas Sentinel here (as I mentioned earlier) actually takes command of the Decepticons.) --BlackStarscream 04:03, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

Caption request

When we start adding screenshots from the movie, can one of them use "This is the one where Spock goes crazy."?KrytenKoro 13:14, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

"Goes nuts." And once the movie's been seen by more people, maybe in a week or two, that quote is TOTALLY going up at the top of the DOTM film article, same place as last movie's "I will have my revenge!" It sums up the movie pretty much the best. --ItsWalky 13:17, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

Jerk

Could we mention (perhaps in a caption) that as a turncoat, this actully makes him a bigger jerk than his Animated counterpart, which I thought was impossible.Burnout 17:39, 2 July 2011 (EDT)

That joke was tired two years ago.--Rosicrucian^Talk 21:08, 4 July 2011 (EDT)

I was thinking the same thing actually. I think it'd be good in the Notes section since it looks like the type of thing people put there (aside from actual trivia). I'd say go for it regardless of how old the Joke is, it doesn't make it any less applicable. I was thinking that a similar mention would be good on Animated Sentinel's page.--BlackStarscream 04:09, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

Hey, I thought he was BIG jerk too.(Never seen the movie though.) Maybe Sentinel(TFA) wanted to get revenge on Optimus(TFA). So, he decided to get a role on Dark of the Moon. His audition was successful. All he needed to do was change his alternate mode to make sure nobody knew it was him. When the moment was right he could get revenge on Optimus(For stealing his fifteen stellar cycles of fame). However,on set he was killed. And it was caught on film! Let's just say there is more than meets the eye with Sentinel.

Back Kibble

What exactly are those things? I swear in parts of the movie, they wiggled as if some kind of flexible cape or tank-treads.. what part of the vehicle do they correspond to?

On the Leader Class toy, the kibble hanging off his back in robot mode (which, I agree, looks like a cape of some kind) becomes the side panels of his vehicle mode. Bobcat2022 22:42, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

I've plugged in a mechtech weapon on the back Sentinel's head. He looks a little funny with Barricade's weapon sticking up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dragonspike74 (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

About the Genesis Caption...

I don't get it...can anyone explain?Kaine852 00:29, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

It's a line from Mr. Spock in Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan. Spock was played by Leonard Nimoy, who voiced Sentinel Prime. I'm more curious about why it's used on two different images. --Detour 00:44, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

316 meaning?

Is there a particular meaning or significance to the number 316 on SP's vehicle mode? Seems lately like anything of that sort on a TF is an in-joke or reference (Wal-Mart "84" DotM Bumblebee, anyone?). I'm in the dark on this one, though. -- Bobcat2022 23:46, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

wikipedia: John 3:16 Stone Cold used to reference it back in the 90s, etc. ShinRa Actual 20:06, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

While that is a meaning for 316, I'm not sure if it is relevant here. Do you really think that the person who designed Sentinel Prime's deco was thinking of that when the number was selected? He or she could have meant it that way, but I'd like official confirmation.--Khajidha 20:13, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

You're right; John 3:16 may be the most widely known association for the number, but it doesn't seem to fit here. It's not a biblical verse that's particularly relevant to the story of this Sentinel Prime... If they were going for biblical references I'd expect something about a deal with the devil or about the ends justifying the means, something related to the DotM plot. Unless it's known that the designer(s) for SP is/are devout Christians/big pro wrestling fans? A Steve Austin joke is fine for a caption, but as yet the connection seems a bit tenuous for the wiki proper. -- Bobcat2022 15:39, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

The Hasbro designers probably didn't known the film's twist so they innocently played up the Optimus/Jesus analogy with Sentinel as The Father, unaware he was just another Evil Mentor-type. Alientraveller 15:42, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

Aren't the same numbers on his vehicle mode in the movie? --abates 15:52, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

Why, yes they are. Alientraveller 15:54, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

Maybe it means he scanned № 316 fire truck. - Starfield 15:58, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

316 is the area code for Wichita, Kansas, if that means anything. -- Semysane 19:45, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

Can we...

Can we add something about him being the Einstein of his civilisation? Something along the lines of "Sentinel was once known as the Einstein of his planet. That's not exactly wrong but... --82.39.157.220 12:32, 21 July 2011 (EDT)

"He was the Einstein of his civilization." "I thought that guy who looked like Einstein was the Einstein of his civilization?" 207.255.27.100 13:45, 16 August 2011 (EDT)

Design Refrence

I've noticed that Sentinal Primes design kinda looks Robots In Disquise Optimus. Think this was intentional? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Captain-lelouch (talk • contribs){{#if:05:30, 17 August 2011 (EDT)| 05:30, 17 August 2011 (EDT)|}}.

It does? --abates 05:33, 17 August 2011 (EDT)

Not really. They share similar altmodes, but that comes with the territory of being a fire truck. --Detour 05:42, 17 August 2011 (EDT)

I was thinking the alt. mode, the standered window-moobs for all Primes, and the lader being on RID Optimus's Battle Mode's back looks kind of like Sentinal's cape --Captain-lelouch 07:15, 17 August 2011 (EDT)

Not even if RID Prime had window moobs in his combined form. It's a coincidence. --ItsWalky 14:00, 30 September 2011 (EDT)

You've successfully convinced me that Sentinel Prime is directly based on G1 Inferno, as opposed to my previous theory that he was directly based on Rescue Roy. --Andrusi 16:07, 30 September 2011 (EDT)

Decepticon Or Not

Since the movie's out on DVD and Blueray now I'm putting it out in the open: Why aren't we putting Sentinel as a Decepticon. I know the last time it was discussed someone mentioned how he reffered to himself as "true leader of the Autobots" and someone else said he seemed disgusted at making a deal with the cons. BUT despite this the way I see it he not only joined up with the Decepticons, he pretty much took complete CONTROL over them. The reason we see Megatron sulking when Carly comes up to him is because Sentinel took over his forces; Sentinel's giving the orders. Sentinel also wouldn't be the first turncoat to claim to keep his own faction (and this doesn't even happen in the movie as I recall) but have the wiki still label him the opposite; Armada Starscream was considered by both himself AND his new allies to be a con is still listed as an Autobot for the four or so eps he was with them. I would even go so far as to say Sentinel can be considered a Decepticon Leader all things considered.--BlackStarscream 13:44, 30 September 2011 (EDT)

NO.

But you raise a good question. Why do we have an Autobot symbol on Armada Starscream's page?

I think he should count as a Con.Yes he only allied himself with them and then pretty much took them over and still called himself an Autobot,but he should have a Con symbole.I mean G1 Starscream has a Predacon symbole even if he was a Pred for 1 episode of beast wars.And the North American version of the Headmasters and Targetmaster are Nebulans who allied themselves with the different transformers factions and still got the faction symboles of whichever side they where with.Just look at Vorath for example,it says Decepticon-allied Nebulan. --Gamemaster 22:07, 15 December 2011 (EDT)

No he's not a Decepticon. He just allies with them against the other Autobots. He doesn't actually join the Decepticon club and geta membership card or anything. In the Marvel UK Comics Carnivac turned against the Decepticons but he clearly refused membership in the Autobots despite staying with them. Sentinel is an Autobot traitor but that doesn't automatically qualify him to be a Decepticon. 82.27.5.237 08:18, 30 December 2011 (EST)

Animated

I guess everyone already knows this, but should we mention in the notes section that Sentinel's sword-thing and sheild are a reference to Sentinel Prime from Transformers: Animated? It might actually just be a coincidence, but I think it was done on purpose.XxxOUTBURSTxxx 20:13, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

Animated Sentinel Prime does not have a sword, but a lance. I'm certain it was a coincidence. --ItsWalky 20:18, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

I'm fine about it being a coincidence, but that's why I wrote "sword-thing", not a sword specifically.XxxOUTBURSTxxx 16:40, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

Disambiguation

why Sentinel Prime(roft)? Sentinel Prime(dotm)--Shockwave1704 16:46, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

Because Sentinel Prime was first mentioned in ROTF. He's a character from that movie first. --ItsWalky 16:47, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

ah when Sam become mad? but Sentinel is seen only in tf 3 --Shockwave1704 08:20, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

Doesn't matter, that counts. Thus Sentinel originated in ROTF and receives that as his disambiguation tag. --Khajidha 10:09, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

ok, if you think so i agree with you --Shockwave1704 10:16, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

Question on Continuity of Bios

So all of Sentinel Prime's toy bios go out of their way to say how he's a huge hero of Cybertron, even the Dark Sentinel Prime Cyberverse figure that has a scratched out Autobot symbol on the sides has a bio that states he's "Dark" because he's in space. This'd be understandable if half the figures hadn't come out long after the film was out of theaters, but that's not the case. Should this be added as an actual story continuity section or just a note?--MCRG 18:18, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

Decepticon leader

He may not be a Decepticon, but couldn't he still be listed at the bottom as a Decepticon Leader? He pretty clearly controlled them during Chicago. --24.69.64.254 17:50, 21 June 2012 (EDT)

He's not really a "Decepticon Leader" in the typical sense, though, is he? He's an Autobot who commanded some Decepticons. Megatron was, of course, very insistent that he was still official leader of the 'Cons. Jalaguy 17:55, 21 June 2012 (EDT)

Needs of the many

When Sentinel says the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, aren't there currently more humans than Transformers though? Bioniclepluslotr (talk) 10:55, 5 June 2014 (EDT)

He might not consider the humans to count. It's probably fair to call this some sort of hypocrisy. Nemesis Primal (talk) 22:18, 26 June 2014 (EDT)

I don't understand

I just got started here, so if I come off as annoying, I ask that you take this with a pinch of salt.

What I don't understand is why this incarnation of Sentinel Prime cannot be categorized as a Decepticon turncoat, when he technically was, and for a time he was categorized as one.

The way I see it, he's what I would call a "Decepticon in denial" and "Autobot in name only" during the events of Dark of the Moon. Even though he professed and thought of himself as an Autobot still, his actions in DOTM were less of an Autobot and more of a Decepticon. Since you know, he nonchalantly killed Ironhide (and the Twins in some adaptations), attempted to enslave humans, something Autobots vow to never do, took control of the Decepticons away from Megatron and kinda became their leader for a short period of time, something not everyone can admit to doing, and almost killed Optimus Prime, which he would've if Megatron hadn't interfered. He even later admitted to betraying the Autobots shortly before Optimus rightfully executed him. These are the kind of things an Autobot, especially an Autobot leader, wouldn't do, but a Decepticon would.

I think having him listed as an Autobot later turned Decepticon makes sense. Obviously Sentinel wouldn't think of himself as a Decepticon, but his actions I think spoke louder than his words. - MisterKenneth

Acting evil and doing something a Decepticon would doesn't make you a Decepticon. Now if there is an official source saying he is/was a Decepticon, then yes. But if he is just a corrupted Autobot, then he isn't a Decepticon, or a Predacon, or a Vehicon (other evil factions). You could just as easily say he acts like a Predacon or Vehicon because he is evil. --notirishman (talk) 21:10, 30 August 2018 (EDT)

Generally, it is the wiki's stance that, unless a character vocally announces that they are changing sides, are shown replacing their faction with a different one, or something similar, then they're still a member of the faction they belonged to previously — even if they're not acting the way their faction "should" act. There are several other "Autobots gone bad" (e.g. Pharma) who willingly collude with the Decepticons, and even some "good Decepticons" who work with the Autobots (e.g. IDW's Soundwave) but since they never replace their original badges, we still count them as members of their original factions. Grum (talk) 21:38, 30 August 2018 (EDT)

So you don't go by their actions then? Personally I felt like what had really indoctrinated Sentinel as a Decepticon is when he took control of Megatron's forces, something G1 Starscream could only dream of successfully achieving, but I guess that was just me then. - MisterKenneth

You make a good point, though I'm a bit more confused. In a way, shouldn't Lockdown be treated like this as well? He was officially said to be a Decepticon, though he had no association with them in Age of Extinction. - MisterKenneth

He was a Decepticon according to his ROTF toy and his AOE Deluxe toy. --notirishman (talk) 21:46, 30 August 2018 (EDT)

That's what I was referring to, at least for his AOE figure. I wasn't thinking about his ROTF one, since it came out long before AOE was ever a thing. That's official information, yet it's absolutely inaccurate about his appearance in AOE. I guess it probably has to do with the distributors, considering the bios of Sentinel's figures never addressed his treachery. - MisterKenneth