Talk:Spotlight: Drift
Featured Characters
[edit]I assume the featured characters skips over 5-9 to represent those five generic Decepticons the Wreckers attack, but there's also a sixth nameless Decepticon who reports to Turmoil (all the other generics appear after the named characters, so their numbering doesn't matter). As it stands, there's also two characters numbered 16. Is it standard practice to include unnamed characters with no dialogue in the numbering? The only generic who matters is the guy reporting to Turmoil. --Cattleprod 19:20, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
Poochie
[edit]makes no sense... but it's still funny - Cliffjumper prime 02:17, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
oops, sorry. now I get it... he's just there to be cool... duh! I got it now...sry it's late - Cliffjumper prime 02:18, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
Third faction?
[edit]Is there any further mention of this mysterious third faction of Cybertronians? Straxus 05:40, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
Revert war
[edit]This is getting on my nerves... the Decepticons started out fighting the corrupt senate. Then they became corrupt themselves. Now the Autobots are fighting the corrupt Decepticons. See how that works? I'm first in line to bash McCarthy when he deserves it. I'm getting sick of this vendetta bullshit. It looks petty and weakens the legitimate arguments by association. - Cattleprod 19:43, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
- The note as it stands isn't very well-worded. It could stand a re-write -- what you just said is the first time I've been clear on what it might be trying to say. -- Repowers 19:51, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
- To put it bluntly: No matter how many times McCarthy tries to shove it down our throats, IDW's Autobots aren't as bad as the Decepticons are. He lacks the simple understanding that abandonning one planet to make sure the entire universe doesn't fall into Decepticon hands isn't a Decepticon thing to do. And as far as Bumblebee referring to Hunter, Verity and Jimmy as acceptable losses, that's not being an evil Decepticon, that's facing the harsh reality of a war. As BB himself put it, "harsh as it sounds - and balanced against what else we know could be happening right now - these three, ultimately, are acceptable losses." When the Decepticons came a-knockin', Ratchet and Bumblebee didn't run, they fought and stayed for as long as they could to rescue the three humans, again hardly something a Decepticon would do. The problem here lies in the fact that Shane can't seem to comprehend the shades of grey of warfare and insists on seeing things in black and white. As such, leaving Earth = EVIL! Realizing that ultimately, weighed against the rest of the populations of Earth, three humans are expendable = EVIL! And this is why he's got Drift pulling speeches that the Autobots are almost as bad as the Decepticons now even though it's not in the least bit true. Of course, meanwhile the Decepticons started out in murder pits and as soon as they took offense against the Senate, they decided to start killing innocent pleasure cruises for no other reason than to kill said pleasure cruise and send said pleasure cruise crashing down into a populated area. And the Autobots didn't get worse as time went along, they got better. Started out as the police force for a corrupt senate and now they're totally benevolent and totally making sure as few planets as possible fall to the Decepticons. As such, it stands that Drift's statement does not make any sense based upon the -ations, Megatron Origin or anything else that preceeds McCarthy's coming on board, and is therefore noted as such. --Detour 20:21, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
- Jesus Christ, I just meant that Drift's comment was that the Decepticons had fallen so far that the Autobots were closer to their original ideal then they were. Whatever moral high ground they might have had in the beginning was long since abandoned. Nothing to do with the Autobots becoming 'bad'. - Cattleprod 21:00, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
- And while I'm at it, the Autobots 'getting better' supports that interpretation. - Cattleprod 21:03, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
- No, Drift's line is "We're going about this the wrong way, all of us! After countless centuries of fighting... the Autobots are a step away from what we were when all this started!", which means the Autobots have somehow gotten more and more evil as time progressed... when they didn't. --Detour 21:17, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
- Wow. I don't know how I can make this clearer. At the start of the war, the Decepticons were rebelling against a corrupt regime, and the Autobots served that regime. Now, the Decepticons themselves are the corrupt regime, and the Autobots are the resistance. The Autobots at the start of the war were servants of a corrupt government. They've GAINED moral high ground. They're the ones standing up to a fascist regime while the Decepticons turned into something worse than what they started out fighting against. - Cattleprod 22:13, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
- Actually, I agree with Detour for once... it's pretty obvious from various events, dialogue, and changes in characterization throughout AHM and McCarthy's SLs that Drift's attitude is referring to the way the Autobots were in the -ations. Too bad, your interpretation would actually be halfway worthwhile. --Jeysie 22:54, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
- Wow. I don't know how I can make this clearer. At the start of the war, the Decepticons were rebelling against a corrupt regime, and the Autobots served that regime. Now, the Decepticons themselves are the corrupt regime, and the Autobots are the resistance. The Autobots at the start of the war were servants of a corrupt government. They've GAINED moral high ground. They're the ones standing up to a fascist regime while the Decepticons turned into something worse than what they started out fighting against. - Cattleprod 22:13, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
- No, Drift's line is "We're going about this the wrong way, all of us! After countless centuries of fighting... the Autobots are a step away from what we were when all this started!", which means the Autobots have somehow gotten more and more evil as time progressed... when they didn't. --Detour 21:17, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
- And while I'm at it, the Autobots 'getting better' supports that interpretation. - Cattleprod 21:03, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
- Jesus Christ, I just meant that Drift's comment was that the Decepticons had fallen so far that the Autobots were closer to their original ideal then they were. Whatever moral high ground they might have had in the beginning was long since abandoned. Nothing to do with the Autobots becoming 'bad'. - Cattleprod 21:00, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
- To put it bluntly: No matter how many times McCarthy tries to shove it down our throats, IDW's Autobots aren't as bad as the Decepticons are. He lacks the simple understanding that abandonning one planet to make sure the entire universe doesn't fall into Decepticon hands isn't a Decepticon thing to do. And as far as Bumblebee referring to Hunter, Verity and Jimmy as acceptable losses, that's not being an evil Decepticon, that's facing the harsh reality of a war. As BB himself put it, "harsh as it sounds - and balanced against what else we know could be happening right now - these three, ultimately, are acceptable losses." When the Decepticons came a-knockin', Ratchet and Bumblebee didn't run, they fought and stayed for as long as they could to rescue the three humans, again hardly something a Decepticon would do. The problem here lies in the fact that Shane can't seem to comprehend the shades of grey of warfare and insists on seeing things in black and white. As such, leaving Earth = EVIL! Realizing that ultimately, weighed against the rest of the populations of Earth, three humans are expendable = EVIL! And this is why he's got Drift pulling speeches that the Autobots are almost as bad as the Decepticons now even though it's not in the least bit true. Of course, meanwhile the Decepticons started out in murder pits and as soon as they took offense against the Senate, they decided to start killing innocent pleasure cruises for no other reason than to kill said pleasure cruise and send said pleasure cruise crashing down into a populated area. And the Autobots didn't get worse as time went along, they got better. Started out as the police force for a corrupt senate and now they're totally benevolent and totally making sure as few planets as possible fall to the Decepticons. As such, it stands that Drift's statement does not make any sense based upon the -ations, Megatron Origin or anything else that preceeds McCarthy's coming on board, and is therefore noted as such. --Detour 20:21, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
- I would have reverted Detour's increasingly annoying McCarthy witch hunt stuff myself if anons and Cattleprod hadn't gotten to them first. Jesus Christ, man, that's not an ERROR. I understood what it meant, and I felt it worked fine. And even if it DOES cause us to think twice about previous continuity, that makes it a RETCON. Especially if it becomes a running theme, and not a one-time "mistake." Do we list Simon Furman's changes to past continuity, like deciding Transformers didn't evolve from pulleys and gears, under "ERRORS" in "Primal Scream" or "Legacy of Unicron"? Or do we give Furman a pass because we LIKE Furman? Jesus, McCarthy writes some true swill, but I am getting this close to basically reverting any edits Detour makes to IDW-related pages from now on. --ItsWalky 23:56, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
Error
[edit]That "error" comment...that's hardly an error is it? That's something based on the interpretation by the reader? I would suggest it be moved to notes, or preferably just deleted. I mean, I look at the same things whoever wrote that does, and I end up with a different interpretation, where both sides are indeed screwed up with the bots being a step back from the brink...just. Get my meaning? User:Eire 00.18 July 23 09 (UTC)
- Exactly. It's Drift's opinion, and not all narrators are reliable.--RosicrucianTalk 17:54, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
TPB inclusion?
[edit]Has Spotlight: Drift been included in any TPB published thus far? --Nerroth 14:23, 15 March 2010 (EDT)