Talk:Springer (G1)

Main Image choice

Is the main image relly the best one of Springer? Surely his MTMTE or box art image would be better? As much as I would hate to lose the funny........Drmick 15:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Dude, it's a great image. What's wrong with it? We already rely far too heavily on MTMTE images, as has been discussed elsewhere. Any time we can get a good representative image from a source that's not box art, MTMTE, or a character model, we should do it. -- Repowers 16:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

His boxart is awful, and his MTMTE image is when Don was clearly burnt-out from drawing practically everybody in MTMTE, so I back up Repowers on this. --FFN 16:41, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree as well. Variety is the spice of life, and all that. --Xaaron 16:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I disagree that the MTMTE image is poor. However, the reasons you have given for not using boxart or MTMTE is that they are poor. If so, does that mean if I find a better official image, it will be accepted? Drmick 16:51, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Fair use only goes so far, and right now, half of the G1 characters are using MTMTE art, either because there's lack of images we can use or its a particularly good piece of art or the only other art is crap. In this case, the MTMTE art isn't great and the other available image is pretty cool.

Oh, and IDW is reprinting the MTMTE books (for some reason), so we have even less leeway to use images from them. --FFN 16:54, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

1) You will be hard-pressed to find an image that's better, includes one of his alternate modes, AND actually demonstrates his action-hero persona at work.

2) There are lots of other character pages that have no images at all. Why not focus on that instead?

3) Why do you hate awesomeness so much? -- Repowers 16:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

1) I will give it a go!

2) Who wants to play with the crap characters?

3) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder! Drmick 17:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm just going to throw in my support for NOT using MTMTE art whenever we have another good choice. I like this art a lot. And you'd goddamn better beleive that characters whose pages have no images whatsoever is more important to work on than adding more/alternate profile images to characters who already have plenty. Much of the whole damn POINT of the wiki is to shed light and spread information on the obscure. And I put it to you that many of these obscure characters are far more interesting than much of the 84/85 cast that gets all the love. --M Sipher 18:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Er, I tell you what. If you can name TWO characters who do not have art from G1 on this wiki, and who are more interesting/pivotal/prominent than the 84-movie cast, I will upload whatever comic art I can get on them. Drmick 10:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

1) You will be hard-pressed to find an image that's better, includes one of his alternate modes, AND actually demonstrates his action-hero persona at work. Yeah, ok, I was very hard pressed. This is the best I have found. Will it be of any use? I also have higher resolution vesion. Drmick 05:52, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Someday I'm gonna change the main Image to this pic. Unless the majority of opinion is still opposed, and believes the arguements raised above are still valid. Drmick 10:59, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

An atrociously over-anime'd image that is way too busy and only in black and white? Do not want. --Detour 11:24, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

Absolutely not! Our current image is awesome and this "replacement" is terrible. --ItsWalky 12:03, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

Indeed. If a painting of Springer punching the lights out of Galvatron while he's flying in copter mode in the background isn't Springer-y enough for you, nothing ever will be. --Detour 13:33, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

Yowzers. Over-anime? That's harsh. Black and white, you say? That never happens elsewhere. Anyways, I did what was asked of me previously, but that didn't suffice. <sarcasm> My next task will be to prove that God exists/doesn't exist, only for my brilliant proof to fall upon non-believing ears (eyes)/<sarcasm> Drmick 13:36, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

Rogue?

Does anyone else have a proble with:Springer is the archetypical rogue; handy in a fight, always ready with a helping hand or a joke to lighten the situation. Someone you can depend to ride in, save the day and be smug about it ? That's not a description of how I'd think of an "archtypical rogue." I'd say such a character would be sneeky, stealthy, prone to backstabing (rogue's do it from behind, remember) and acting outside the law. That's not Springer at all.If anything Springer is the "archtypal action hero". Agree/disagree?

By all means, make the change. He's han solo, who is a a rogue though, not a hero. arguably, he elements of Han which do not translate to springer make Springer mcuh mroe action hero-y. But I think that the rogue one-man-act-hates-being-tied-down thing nicely addresses the differences in Springer's personality in different continuities. Happy and carefree when he's jsut a warrior, sullen and angsty when he's commending the Wreckers. (he seems to have been a ceerier fellow before he took Impactor's place too, backng up that reading.)

Of course, while that all returns to hsi archetype... it's also all explicitly spelled out in his bio. Change it to Action Hero.-Derik 01:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's weird but somehow true: Han Solo is a rogue. Springer is Han Solo. But Spriner is not a Rogue. Basically he keeps much of Han's roguish personality while loosing the actual being a rogue. I'll fix. :)

He's a rogue in that he doesn't deal well with authority, but he is not a rogue in the sense of being an actual criminal.Khajidha 15:57, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I removed the bit about Springer being relieved to miss out on Autobot leadership. While true in FFoD, I somehow doubt he was relieved at the outcome of 'Peace'.

(Fun Fact, the UK Letters Page says that Peace is in the same timeline as the Aspects of Evil future. ) -Derik 02:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd always thought he was like a Han Solobot, and I'm glad I share this sentiment with everyone else. If not, is he like Indiana Jones? --akindofdrifter

Not really, he doesn't really fit the "reluctant hero who would rather be reading a book than fighting nazis" feel. It would be pretty fun to see him wipe out a bunch of Decepticons by opening the Arc of the Covenant of Primus, though. - Semysane 06:06, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Toy origin

Anyone know the origin of his toy? Was his character model made first, like some other moviebots, or was the toy made first like the other triple changers? His toy has a moviebot look about him if you ask me, and I would guess his character model was created first. Just curious. - Starfield 11:41, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Other appearance

Rik Bakke's files list Springer as appearing in Forever Is a Long Time Coming, but he's not on our page for that episode, and Bakke's dialogue transcript doesn't give him any dialogue. I guess it's a cameo somewhere? --Monzo 23:43, 4 December 2008 (EST)

During the scene of abnormal time occurrences, there's a racing vehicle in Springer's colors. I can't tell if it's really him or not, though. -- Repowers 00:40, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Shattered Glass Megatron: Evac or Springer?

From the Megatron (SG) article:

"His Galvatron form is based on Cybertron Evac, but with Generation 1 Galvatron's color scheme. The idea was inspired by a customized toy by Fun Publications' Jesse Wittenrich, who painted a Galvatron using the War Within Springer he didn't want."

So we're both right, Detour. May I place that back into the article (forgive me if I'm acting like a jerk about this. I know I've fouled up quite a bit before, so I want to get the greenlight before I did anything)? - Zadok Rox 08:39, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Detour's just being a dildo. --ItsWalky 10:41, 11 January 2010 (EST)

I wouldn't say that. I'm certain that he was just doing his job, probably didn't see that little part about the War Within Springer toy. Thank you, ItsWalky. - Zadok Rox 13:58, 11 January 2010 (EST)

The wording threw me off. Sounded more like Springer's toy itself was used as a basis for SG Galvatron's design (like how Energon Downshift was the basis for SG Wheeljack), as opposed to a custom Jesse made becoming the inspiration behind SG Galvatron. --Detour 14:04, 11 January 2010 (EST)

There, you see, ItsWalky? A mere misunderstanding. I could of worded the note differently to clarify that. Thank you, Detour. - Zadok Rox 14:06, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Images needed

The little tag thingy says this article needs more cartoon images. Why? It seems like a pretty good balance. Or do we want a shot from Headmasters or something? G1MarvelBlaster 09:54, 1 February 2010 (EST)

I think a shot from The Headmasters would be nice, yes, but a quick look at the rest makes me think that with that aaount of text, there easily is room for three or four more images. Not needed per se, but it could have them. Geewunling 09:57, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Loner? Our fault?

So, both the recent Hasbro Springer Bios, that of the Voyager shown at Toy Fair 2013 and Kreon MC have gone on about how he prefers to work alone and not with others. Now maybe I'm wrong, (and please correct me if I am) but I don't remember that ever really being part of Springer's personality in any G1 media. I'm rather afraid that we planted this idea in Hasbro's head with our oblique Han Solo joke in his bio profile here. (They've certainly been inspired by us before, see Kreon Blast-Off). I'm just wondering, it's a real vague joke to begin with (I know, I wrote it originaly) and it's been weakened even more by subsequent edits. I kinda think we should edit and take that bit out in case we accidently did influence Springer's official bio in ways we didn't intend. Thoughts? --ZacWilliam 10:21, 13 February 2013 (EST)

I can't think of a time when he preferred fighting solo. If nobody else can, then yea, take it out as inaccurate. I didn't know it was a joke. I figured he preferred fighting solo somewhere I didn't read, like in Dreamwave or something. - Starfield 10:56, 13 February 2013 (EST)

See when I wrote it way back when there were a buch of references like that to how he was like Han Solo and other action heroes(and it was capped, to make the ref stronger) all close together in the opening paragraphs. But it got revised a bunch since then and the joke references got scattered and weakened until now, where you can pretty much not tell it was a Han Solo joke (despite the "HA" afterwards) I think it needs to go, I didn't realise how it was now kinda missrepresenting the character till I red the recent Hasbro bios. :P The funny thing is if it did enter the bios from us, then it technically is cannon and acurate now. :P But yea, I wrote it, I'm gonna take it out if no one objects?--ZacWilliam 11:39, 13 February 2013 (EST)

If I remember correctly, his Botcon toy profile indicated that he preferred to work alone, but even so... --Nu-Priest 13:56, 13 February 2013 (EST)

"Springer spent much of the War with the Decepticons going it alone, making friends along the way but never staying in one place for any extended period of time. ....Though his days of going it along were over, Springer found that he was at home fighting along other bots who were committed to ridding the galaxy of the threat Bludgeon still posed." -- Classics bio --ItsWalky 17:32, 13 February 2013 (EST)

Did some forensic digging. According to TFU you're talking about the Botcon Timelines bio. He came out in 2007. I checked the old wikia and I wrote the "Solo" line/joke in question the year before that in 2006. So it wasn't drawing from there. The Botcon bio pretty much was just trying to hand wave why he wasn't in the Marvel Comics they were following up and treat it as a trait he's grown out of. I still kinda think it more likely that the current depiction of him as a loner may be our fault given Hasbro's recent wiki use. But regardless the line in question is gone now and the bio is better for it I think.--ZacWilliam 18:42, 13 February 2013 (EST)

Split

As I am relatively new to the wiki and don't know how things really work, please forgive me if I mess up this question: Should we split this page into Springer/G1 cartoon, Springer/Marvel Comics, etc. Jcbynum1 08:47, 12 September 2016 (EST)

It'd probably be toys first, I think. The cartoon and comics sections aren't particularly big. --abates (talk) 20:59, 12 September 2016 (EDT)