Talk:Starscream clone (Animated)

"G1 redeco will be a store exclusive"

Any idea which store will be getting the exclusive? Perhaps Target because they got the movie g1 starscream redeco?--Skyglide 16:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I put in that piece of trivia, and I don't know which store will carry it. all I've been told was that the guys at BotCon said they will release the mold in all the shown color schemes (and what I read they had shown Starscream together with his clones, which were in G1 seeker colors of Thundercracker, Skywarp and Starscream), and that the one in G1 SS colors would be a store exclusive, they also said that they love bringing out the seeker mold of each line in all three color variations.Dead Metal 13:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, ok. I can't wait till they are in all stores. I have a feeling these figures are gonna be some BAMFs :D --Skyglide 02:33, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Who said this and when? It certainly wasn't at a panel, and I don't think this should be here if we don't have a source. Chip 02:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Army-Building reference in the trivia

• The Starscream clones clearly only exist to sell toys

I think that is prefect for the trivia. The fact that there is a lot of seemingly same deco(A) starscreams makes it seem like hasbro is encouraging army building of the Starscream figure. The fact that because of the movie line, the toys and episode doesn't line up seems irrelevant to me. As does A Prime Problem. We are all very aware that the fictions only purpose is to sell toys. If in the fiction there are numerous identical starscreams, I think the connection is obvious.

(A)

--Skyglide 23:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

There is no reason to believe that the clone army is a toy-sales-driven move. We've seen no altered-color-clone redecoes announced, which would be the big indicator... and at this stage, odds are appropriate redecoes would be created-after-the-fact items like the Premium movie toys. I really can't fathom Hasbro going "hey Marty, make Starscream clone himself so we can encourage multiple-buying of this one toy." It is far, far, FAR more likely that the genesis of the clone story is the simple "wouldn't it be neat to reference this thing that happened in G1, just like how Starscream died but came back". To claim unambiguously that it's a toy-sales-driven move is weak and tenuous at best. "To sell toys" is kind of dependent on "toy first". If Hasbro REALLY wanted to go that route, one of the clones would have been Skywarp, who we HAVE seen officialy announced as a toy... and Hasbro said he wasn't intended to be a show character. --M Sipher 04:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

And, sad to say, it's the most logical approach to a bunch of guys with the same body type. Bit more interesting take on it than G1, even. Having an army of them has an in-story purpose, and having them all resemble Starscream is easily explained by his vanity. This being a continuity that, aside from some noteworthy exceptions, has largely unique body types for each character.--Rosicrucian^Talk 05:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I guess I see your point M Sipher. I still believe it should be noted somewhere that that photo I labeled (a) seems to encourage army-building. I now think my phrasing it as "clearly only exist" is probably wildly inaccurate, but again i think it should be noted. Also, i think that when the writers where coming up with the story for Animated, they probably expected the toys releases to coincide with airing. Like Soundwave being in wave 2 since he appeared late in season 1. Stupid Allspark Power line, I blame you for all my problems!

Also, Rosicrucian, i am not quite sure which side you are supporting :/

cheers!--Skyglide 22:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I am saying that even on the chance that this is "to sell toys" it has more solid fictional support than... well... nearly all past Seeker redecos.--Rosicrucian^Talk 15:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I think we should add this to Trivia instead.

• Starscream is clearly an Army Builder.

And is the Yoda quote really needed here? We're using it as the caption on the pic in the Fist Full of Energon Main article.Shadow Mask Prime 12:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yea really, the clone wars thing is really out of place here. And yea, Starscream is clearly an Army Builder works well too.--Skyglide 19:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Clone V clone

Ok, I checked. Terms like drone or jet or whatever are always started with a capital. In fact I couldn't find one similar themed page where all the words didn't have capitals in em User:GWolfv2 15.51 May26th

EVERY ARTICLE ON THE WIKI starts with a capital letter. But if subsequent terms in the article title are not proper nouns, they stay lower case. This is a well established policy (see Category:Nameless things for some examples.) Quit tryin' to fight it. -- Repowers 15:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Clearly it should be lowercase. However, shouldn't it be Starscream clones since the article talks about more then one? I mean after all it is an army of them, and the page goes into further detail about specific ones.--Skyglide 22:25, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes and no. Yes in that it would be more logical, no in that everything's put in the singular so that you can type [[Starscream clone]]s to produce Starscream clones as a link, but would have to do [[Starscream clones|Starscream clone]] if it was the other way around. It sacrifices the logical page title for ease of linking (not a convention I agree with, but one well established...) - SanityOrMadness 15:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

It's singular because it talks about a type of character, the Starscream clone. Or, at least, it's supposed to. —Interrobang 20:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

G1 references

I'm not sure we should put those in for these guys, unless we get something beyond coloring (hopefully, they'll get real names when released as toys, or at least much better clues) - I mean, the coloring doesn't even fit that well for either of them (G1 Starscream definitely wasn't brickred/brown, and Skywarp has, if anything, reversed coloring), and they don't seem to share any personality similarities either.

Plus, the Clone that fits Skywarp the best looks like it appears as part of the whole army, anyway.KrytenKoro 02:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Reddish brown Starscream is clearly based off of G1 Starscream, and his personality as the manipulator makes perfect sense. The coward seems more like Armada Skywarp. AniScream doesn't have as varied a colour scheme as G1 btw, so you really only have two colours to changed, his grey and his purple. As for personalities, they embody elements of Starscream. Giving one a Skywarp personality makes no sense User:GWolfv2 20.42 May 28th

People have claimed that all sorts of things are "clearly" references that goddamn aren't, this included. The only thing that's "clear" is that people are reaching desperately for references. --M Sipher 20:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

You're very testy about this. I know why, but still...anyway, you assume they aren't, I assume they are(at least the second clone). And the world keeps spinning User:GWolfv2 22.02 May 28th

well, that was clearly a jab at me with the "clearly" bit. I just like to say clearly. and obviously. I am totally gonna try to work the word clearly into like all my talk page comments for no reason now :D. At least i am staying with-in the line with mine. i am not like omg that is SO a refrence to gurrenlaggan or what ever. I was saying that the starscream clones, especially in that first pic on the page, evoke thoughts of the common fan tendency to build armies. Whatever, i dont even know why i wrote all this. i guess i am in a ranty mood. Cheers! --Skyglide 19:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

ok, that "well, that was clearly" thing wasn't even intentional! see what I mean?--Skyglide 19:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Spongescream and Patrick

Was Starscream forgetting Bulkhead's name supposed to be a joke about how they are best friends on SBSQ? Or was it a reference to when Starscream first appeared, and I'm just crazy?KrytenKoro 02:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it was a reference to the fact that Bulkhead is the only one who doesn't have a G1 counterpart. After all, it's the "G1 color hommage" clone.

If thats true, then thats really funny and pretty cool. also, sign your comments. --Skyglide 19:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

No it isn't. --M Sipher 16:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It could also be there just to show how transparently deceptive that particular clone was. Why does everything have to be a reference? (Undecided) 22:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I am of the opinion that the redish/brown starscream clone is a g1 homage. Its kinda just a matter of opinion, so maybe we should not argue or say things like "No it isnt" because it very well could be. Its not particularly relevant so step off it. --Skyglide 02:37, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

If it were a G1 homage, it would have had some blue on it, instead of just being a yellow-shift of the usual scheme. --ItsWalky 02:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Captions

Alright, whoever chose the new captions is full of win. Though may I ask: what does the main caption refer to? I assume it's Red Dwarf related, judging by the following two captions. But in case it isn't - what is it? Oh, and this is my first comment-thingo, so yeah. Bobpiecheese 10:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

If I'm reading it right, that would be the Imperial March from Star Wars. - Chris McFeely 12:36, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

That's what I thought, but it doesn't quite scan right near the end. Maybe it's too long, maybe it's just me. My bet's on the latter :P Bobpiecheese 13:38, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I added the Rimmer captions, but not the other two. - SanityOrMadness 13:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to reference the Ace Rimmer planet somehow for the main image? Something like "Are you really going to be the one to break the chain?"KrytenKoro 08:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Flavors

I am rather fond of the idea of referring to each Starscream clone as a different flavor in relation to the colors they are in the captions of the screengrabs. It would be nice to see a consistent joke applied to them. Of-course, it probably would only work if/when we get more starscream clones. I got the idea from the original captions for the two images, grape jelly starscream and cherry jelly starscream. an Example, say there is a starscream clone that is pink, he could be Bubblegum Starscream. and if there is an off-white, he could be vanillia, if there is a green clone (perhaps with yellow accents) he could be Lemon-Lime Starscream. I, of-course, only think we should refer to them as these in captions, i dont mean in our episode descriptions. it would be kinda odd to have hypothetical pink starscream clone refered to as Bubblegum Starscream in his/episode in which he hypothetically appears in's description. What do you guys think? When and if we get more it would be funny to have a full set of flavors of starscreams right. --Skyglide 21:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I've been picking out Rimmer captions for (hypothetical, of course) future individualised clones... - SanityOrMadness 22:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I am not familiar with this "rimmer" you speak of. I hadn't really understood the captions (the result being i wasnt satisfied with them) because of it probably. After looking it up, i see its from Red Dwarf, which i am completely unfamiliar with. I like to think of myself as somwhat of a sci-fi connoisseur, but i had never heard of it. You dont suppose it might be a bit too obscure (at least, for this audience)? --Skyglide 00:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it's 'obscure'. I'd just say 'British' (that's where the show comes from)Bobpiecheese 04:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

In reference to your first post Skyglide, do you think that you used "hypothetical" a wee too much? I just wanted to get that out there.--AWT88 22:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I am familiar with much british sci-fi, Doctor Who, Torchwood, and Hyperdrive being among my favorites. I actually did some further research, apparently its QUITE popular and well known. some how i just missed it lol.

And about hypothetical, i dont want to get pegged for being all like "hey we dont know if there are gonna be more diff colored clones, SPOILERS!" so i wanted to make it clear that i am not talking about existing charcters we dont know about. --Skyglide 02:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Wait, I only said hypothetical twice....--Skyglide 02:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Five Servos of Doom

From Unicron.com interview:

me: Are we going to get any sense of resolution to where all the couple thousand protoforms went after Lockdown's stint in 5 Servos of Doom? derrickjwyatt: If you've seen all of TFA season two, it is possible to figure it out from that alone.

Can we take this as a pretty obvious hint that the army of clones are the stolen protoforms?98.223.230.49 04:07, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

Ramjet

I don't think the two-speak works in the lead, partially because it's not used anywhere else in the article, but especially because there's absolutely no lead-in or explanation for it. The article just seems to be outright claiming that he is Starscream's honest side, and anyone who hasn't already read the Ramjet article or seen the episodes isn't going to get the joke. On an aesthetic note, it stands out from the others in the list, which are worded differently and don't use a theme to boot.KrytenKoro 11:38, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

That's why it didn't just say "Ramjet is Starscream's honest side." When I wrote that, I purposefully made it hyperbole so that the joke would be more obvious. Do we really think there are readers who won't get it?--Rosicrucian^Talk 12:04, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

Name change

Seekers. But hear me out first, in the Allspark Almanac Ramjet actually uses the word "seekers" while talking about Thundercracker and I quote "He's the original Starscream. All of us seekers were cloned from him." I realise he's not the must trustworthy of bots but still the name did technically appear canonically so... --Ninjabot33 18:59, 31 December 2009 (EST)

A random rumor I've heard a bit lately

Allegedly, the reason the clones were never named on-air is because then they would be "new characters" and that would have some sort of legal repercussions, generally of the "Tom Kenny would get paid for six characters instead of just one"/"the show would violate SAG rules about booking actors"/"all the other VAs would get butthurt" or some other scenario. I don't think there's much truth to it, but it's probably worth looking into (if nothing else, it can go on the "urban legends" page.) -hx 13:32, 19 April 2010 (EDT)