Talk:Structure
I'm not sure this article is really justified... I haven't watched the episode recently, but, is this word really presented as specialized terminology rather than just as... like, English? Is the superstructure/substructure stuff supported by canon? I don't want us to be falsely implying that these are specific, "real" terms rather than just normal words. --Steve-o 20:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'd think an article on exo-structure would be more logical.
- Nothign that the whole body was called a Structure in one G1 ep would make more sense as a sub-set of that. -Derik 20:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- Spotlight: Nightbeat referred to the vehicle kibble as superstructure, which is what I'm recalling it from.--Rosicrucian
It was Teletraan-1 who gae a history on the Renegade Decepticons and said that their Personality component's were removed from their structures and that the structures were destroyed. To me, I took "personality component" and "structure" as specialized terminology. I read somewhere about the exo-structure thing but couldnt find it otherwise I would have mentioned it in that article perhaps. Anyway, hope that helps. -- Darth Batrus
- That seems fair, but it seems ot be we've got 3 terms here.
- Structure — (G1 'toon, and implicitly in the exo-structure of latter-day stuff, as well as the superstructure noted above)
- Shell — The BW term for the same.
- Armor — The UT term for the same.
- These terms seem to be inter-exchangeable. "The body from which your glowy-thing seat-of-consciousness can be yanked or inserted." If we are to have 1 article instead of 3 (and I think that's wise) then we have to decide where it should live.
- "Structure" is incredibly obscure, and is validated primary due to weak derivatives. (I might also cite an absence of Author intent behind those derivatives... except I ignore Author Intent anyway.)
- "Armor", though used in more than one UT series, is still very far background. (And just wierd.)
- "Shell" has deep penetration, was used in BW/BM which continues to set the standard for the terminology which followed, etc. It's also the term which formalized the Spark/Shell separation.
- (Basically I strongly reccomend this article be moved to "Shell.") -Derik 18:27, 24 November 2009 (EST)
- Wait, when was "shell" used in Beast Wars? Off the top of my head, I can't think of an occurrence. --KilMichaelMcC 19:47, 24 November 2009 (EST)
- And come to think of it, when has "shell" been used outside of Beast Machines? And even in Beast Machines, was it actually used as a term for the body of a living Transformer? Has it really seen use other than the "empty shell" metaphor for bodies who's sparks had been yanked out? 'Cause that's pretty much all I associate the term with, in Transformers. -KilMichaelMcC 21:14, 24 November 2009 (EST)
- All 3 of these terms are used exclusively in that context. -Derik 05:18, 25 November 2009 (EST)
- And come to think of it, when has "shell" been used outside of Beast Machines? And even in Beast Machines, was it actually used as a term for the body of a living Transformer? Has it really seen use other than the "empty shell" metaphor for bodies who's sparks had been yanked out? 'Cause that's pretty much all I associate the term with, in Transformers. -KilMichaelMcC 21:14, 24 November 2009 (EST)
- Wait, when was "shell" used in Beast Wars? Off the top of my head, I can't think of an occurrence. --KilMichaelMcC 19:47, 24 November 2009 (EST)
I cannot fathom why this page exists. -- Repowers 20:20, 25 November 2009 (EST)
- Because we need a "Shell" page and someone wanted to promote a term that was used 1 time in a 1985 cartoon episode over that? -Derik 21:47, 25 November 2009 (EST)
- "Structure" and variants on it (exo-, super-, etc.) is a far more prominent term for a Transformer's body than "shell." --KilMichaelMcC 09:24, 26 November 2009 (EST)
