Talk:Transformers: Energon (cartoon)

Just because the person adding the entry feels the show was "suffering" for American viewers does not make it fact. That entry will be deleted and should be, as it's entirely and only a matter of opinion and doesn't relate to the Energon storyline or toyline. -Bodycount

"Many fans found Energon an improvement over Armada in story and writing" at first, but the later part is debatible X-BoB58

Wait...

Why did "Maintenance script" delete everything on the page? The previous edit seemed like it restored the page from the virus crash, and then Maintenance script just erases it all. Was that a mistake? C.V. Reynolds 06:52, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

Episode list

I've pasted in the episode lists from the templates that were here before we started working on the wiki. However, I'm not sure on what basis the list is split into two seasons. I've left it split for now, but, does anybody have a justification for this split?

--Steve-o 22:16, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Why is there no entry or potential entry for "Distribution", aka "Special Dream Match" aka "The writers took a day off"?--Squidhead

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Just wondering if these pages are going to get general Series Summaries/Overviews at some point? Fact is for a variety of reasons I havn't watched a TF toon regularly since the middle of Armada so I'd really love detailed summaries of Energon and Cybertron (and the end of Arm. to make it up here.

Well, yes, eventually. I think the problem is, though, MOST of us were utterly lost or disinterested with the Energon cartoon, so, well, even summarising is going to be tricky. Persoanlly, I can't even remember which epsiode is which... at least with Armada and cybertron there are "guides" available (Micron Legend Yearbook and the CN site)... Energon? eeg. --M Sipher 20:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Add to that that there are quite a few episodes where it literally seemed like nothing happened. Such was the pacing of Energon.--MCRG 04:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey we know that there are no DVDs nor Videos of Transformers Energon so lets all watch it on Youtube. Its smarter, cost free and its faster to know things.(Anti-Spammer 20:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC))

Negatives

Man, I have a list a mile wide of things that were wrong about the show in general. I've been resisting adding a sentence about how all vehicle modes were immune to gravity-- nay, all physics, allowing even Hot Shot to float through the air at his whim, negating any reason for differing vehicle modes. --ItsWalky 21:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

It's incredibly tempting to say "toss it in there". I mean, as it stands, the article makes it sound like the dub was the only thing wrong with the show, which is, not to put to fine a point on it, a phenomenal pile of steaming bullshit. Hell, the pacing apparently didn't even appeal to JAPAN, what with Galaxy Force at first pretending the previous shows didn't exist. --M Sipher 21:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I just watched a later ep on YouTube ("Improsoned Inferno" [sic!]). Snowcat and Demolishor just transform and drive off into the air. Everyone's animated exactly like their toy. I counted six instances of characters going "Uh?" or some variant thereof. Alpha-Q doesn't move his mouths at all when speaking. A red sun casts ordinary yellow-sun light. Dramatic battles begin and then suddenly cut away. It goes on and on! -- Repowers 22:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, remember when I said I was going to do Energon episode summaries? Yeah, I'm totally not now. It's certainly more watchable in Japanese - I'm generally not left staring at the screen going "What the fuck was that?", and I'm appreciating moments of character interaction now that they make sense - but 31 episodes in, I'm totally deprived of any desire to write about it. Well, I might do the undubbed episode, which I'm about to come up to... - Chris McFeely 23:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

• pant* *huff* I think... my hate reserviors... have been emptied... it will take time before they refill... - Chris McFeely 00:33, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Reference sources

Okay, I usually don't' do this, but since Paramount as as much as said- "Man, Energon is so bad we're gonna skip it and just put out Cybertron on DVD...", here's a couple of the sources good for quick reference.

~2/3 of Energon is on Veoh for streaming
Most of Super Link (subbed) is ready for direct download

Buy the DVD's people. I do even though the gather dust on my shelf while I watch the much-more-convenient encodes. -Derik 03:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Featured Characters Classifications

Question regarding featured characters: What are opinions on how Terrorcons and Mini-Cons should be handled?

• For instance, Scorponok, while briefly conscipted into the Decepticon forces, was pretty explicitely not a Decepticon, neither at the beginning of the series, nor after Megatron tied him up and sent him into the energon grid as bait. Therefore, I've had him listed as a Terrorcon (or, "Other") at the beginning, a Decepticon after Megatron beat him and branded him, and then as a Terrorcon again after pretty clearly defecting.
• The Mini-Cons, while working for the Autobots, are still a separate faction.--Shellspark 17:59, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

Do Energon fans exist?

Surely there must be some, statistically. There are THOUSANDS of Transfans: some must have enough tolerance for bad dubbing, poor animation, and incoherent scripting to find some kinda jewels beneath.

So should the article be made more balanced to reflect their concerns? If they exist? I say so only because at the moment the entire thing is a merciless leap at the series' jugular... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Black Mage (talk • contribs){{#if:03:47, 4 May 2009| 03:47, 4 May 2009|}}.

There've been a dozen Transformers series. One of them has to be the worst. That's Energon.

Sometimes there's debate about which series is the worst-- TF has quite a few stinker or unpopular incarnations after all. The thing is... there isn't debate about it anymore. Energon settled the issue, just like Kiss Players settled the "raping my childhood" debate by actually raping your childhood. Energon is the worst Transformers series by such a wide and universal margin... there's no point in pretending it's otherwise.

It's the worst cartoon I've ever seen on TV. Not the worst Transformers cartoon-- the worst cartoon. Of anything. Even amid a sea of crap, Energon would sink near the bottom.

There are people who think history has been unkind to Adolph Hitler. "You should be more evenhanded," they say, "or at least stop spreading rumors that one of his testicles was bitten off by a goat when he was a child."

You can say the constant negative tone is making the article less informative-- I might agree with you-- but the fact remains that Adolph Hitler became a vegitarian because he couldn't chew meat without thinking of that goat's teeth crunching down on his left nut, masticating it, grinding it up into a fine Austrian paste... then swallowing.

Maybe that'll teach him not to try to have sex with a goat. (By which I mean-- that will, and has taught Hasbro not to co-produce with Japan. I don't think they will ever attempt it again.) -Derik 04:26, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

I've actually seen a number of Youtube commenters proclaiming Energon their favorite so there's...that. I personally like the first half, at least. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 173.71.84.186 (talk • contribs){{#if:17:39, 19 August 2009| 17:39, 19 August 2009|}}.

Challenge the assertions in the writeup on a case-by-case basis, for all the good it'll do. They're all based on demonstrable facts. -- Repowers 20:20, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

Include Superlink-only info in italics?

I've spent the last few weeks working my way through Energon, and as the writeups frequently note, various plot points (eg why Tidal Wave hates Shockblast, and, well, everything in "Return! Our Scorponok!") were removed from Superlink.

Might it be an idea to include this info on the relevant character pages in italics, like how the Marvel UK stories are integrated into the G1 articles? --Fortress Minimus 16:16, 17 May 2010 (EDT)

Some of the character pages already use italics for "Return! Our Scorponok!" but need a note explaining why. Yes it sounds like a good idea. Here is a template: {{noteslonly}} - Starfield 22:57, 17 May 2010 (EDT)

CGI

I hate to bring this up but the spotty CGI animation was probably more due to Japan not being really in to the Full CGI that mainframe used. Anime is really focused on the Cel shaded animation. it's the same reasion that they still do sentai and godzilla with guy's in suits.--216.193.153.184 22:18, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

And yet Machine Robo Rescue which came out around the same time was devoid of those problems. Likewise there was that Bandai dinotransformer show that was on around the time as well, equally lacking in Energon's flaws... And then there's Transformers Prime, animated by a Japanese studio. --Detour 22:23, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

Change of director?

One thought has struck me of what could be the reason for Energon's decline. According to Anime News Network, the director of Transformers Energon is Jun Kawagoe who has actually directed some awesome animes. New Getter Robo, SRW OG - The Animation, Koutetsushin Jeeg and Mazinkaiser SKL. All awesome shows but also short ones.

It also says there was a second director, Yutaka Sato .

My theory is that Kawagoe might be better at directing short series. Because when you think of it, the first half or quarter of Energon is very fastpaced, there's a lot of action, development and revelations. Then it falls apart.

Is it possible that Kawagoe could have directed the first part of Energon and eventually reached his limit, and then handed it over to Sato who might be a complete hack or didn't know what to do with the plot?

But this is just my theory and I could be completely wrong. But if it seems possible, could it be something worth mentioning on the Plotting section in Critisism? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.210.162.147 (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

According to here and here, Kawagoe only directed the first two episodes, and Sato only did direction on the first episode in cooperation with Kawagoe. Both Kawagoe and Sato were supervisors on the show, but Sato left after ep 5 and Kawagoe left after ep 13. The supervisor on eps "6..." (I assume 6 to the end) was "佐野隆史", which auto-translators render as "Takashi Sano". He storyboarded 13 out of the 52 episodes, but only directed 4. As such, I don't think anything can be blamed on Sato. --Monzo 15:03, 22 January 2012 (EST)

Timeline

So, the Wiki states that Energon takes place 10 years after Armada. However, I just started rewatching Energon and in his introductory speech, Optimus Prime says that it's been 20 years since the war ended with the Deceptions, which seems to be the ending of Armada since it shows footage of Unicron's destruction. Should we change it to the 20 years, placing Energon in 2030? Amalgamous Prime (talk) 21:03, 7 September 2014 (EDT)

That's because the DVD heavily rewrote and altered the broadcast version's opening narration: Cybertron_City_(episode)#Continuity_errors --ItsWalky (talk) 21:40, 7 September 2014 (EDT)

Character De-Evolution examples

These should be put back in the way they were. Not only are they each important for illustrating the broad point, but they were also far easier to read in the bulleted-list format than when expanded into full prose. The editor has asked everyone stand back as they work on bigger revisions, so to respect that I haven't reverted this change already - but it should be reverted. --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 11:57, 14 January 2021 (EST)