Talk:Transformers: Generations (toyline)

Can we get a source on Blurr coming in a future wave? I thought that was an April Fool's joke. --Anon, 10:42, 26 April 2010

Parry Game Preserve's March Q&A answers. --Detour 11:23, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

War for Cybertron

I don't know how much this means, but if you click on "War for Cybertron toys" on Hasbro's War for Cybertron page it brings up the whole first wave of Generations. I doubt that this in itself pulls Drift and Thrust into the Transformers: Prime continuity family, but I suppose there is a small chance that this is the direction Hasbro is going. - Starfield 21:05, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

It means nothing. --ItsWalky 21:09, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

Launch Date

-Have the toys hit retail yet? I havn't seen them anywhere, but the page doesn't say Wave 1 is "scheduled for release" anymore.--Megatron Prime 12:25, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

One can order them on Walmart.com, thus why there isn't the 'scheduled for release' template for Wave 1. Looking forward to them being sold at actual stores. - Zadok Rox 13:08, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

They ARE being sold at actual stores. ---Blackout- 13:32, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

Depends on where you are. Around here (NC) stores tend to be about 2 months behind NY/CA in getting things. --Khajidha 13:51, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

My local Walmart seems to have many Wave 4 ROTF Deluxe toys left. Back on topic; thank you, Blackout, for sharing. Looking forward to seeing them at stores in my neck of the woods. - Zadok Rox 14:26, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

-When is wave 2 coming out?

Speaking of Wave 2, it seems to me that Drift and Thrust are not part of Wave 1. WFC Optimus and Bumblebee have been at stores for about a month, but I havn't seen the former two.--Megatron Prime 12:12, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

This is because Toys R Us got an advance WFC-only case to promote WFC when WFC came out. --ItsWalky 13:26, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

-I think Dirge and Blurr will be released by this christmas, as they weren't included in Cybertroncon's "Spring 2011" transformers,but they didn't mention Reflector or Cliffjumper did they?

Dirge and Blurr are being shipped by BigBadToyStore right now. --ItsWalky 21:05, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

-When is wave 5 coming out?

DESPERATELY SEEKING BLURR!! I've seen reportrs of people buying him in stores, but I havn't seen him anywhere. Are these reports true? I don't want to miss out on this guy.--Megatron Prime 18:57, 27 November 2010 (EST)

——They sure are true, I've got Dirge, Blurr, Cliffjumper and Thunderwing, maybe it's just your location.

Other "Generations-like" packaged toys

There's a bunch of toys that are in Generations-like packaging that don't say Generations on it: the new Seacons set, the dollar-store Classics Mini-Con redecos, the ROTF Activators (and probably other stuff I've forgotten). Should we place them under Generations here and in their individual articles? --FFN 18:40, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

Thanks for the total lack of comments, guys. Good hustle. --FFN 08:57, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

Just put them under the subtitle-less toyline. If they were meant to be in Generations, they would have it on their boxes. —Interrobang 09:03, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

Here's one - Masterpiece Grimlock is in a subtitle-less Generations style red packaging, but Hasbro's presentation slides (from Toy Fair, I believe) place him in Universe. --FFN 09:25, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

War for Cybertron toys

"* Clicking "War For Cybertron Toys" on Hasbro's War For Cybertron webpage brings up the whole "Generations" toyline. Looking for War For Cybertron toys? Here you go." It also brings up some PCC toys. Hasbro just loves messing with us. --Khajidha 10:41, 26 September 2010 (EDT)

Kup

Is Kup confirmed enough for inclusion on the page? With the picture on the battle in space 2 pack, it seems compleatly comfirmed.--Fredbob 19:38, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

Not until it's officially announced. --NCZ 19:39, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

Pretty sure he was officially announced at BotCon. --ItsWalky 19:56, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

Not really. They were vague in that Hasbro way at best. And it's not like G1 guys don't get fictional redesigns with frequency. --M Sipher 20:32, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

I don't think going "cough cough KUP cough cough" in answer to "which guys coming out can you not talk about" in front of hundreds of people is vague at all. --ItsWalky 20:47, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

Well, I didn't know that. I suppose I'd wait until slightly more solid confirmation, but I guess I admit defeat for now. --NCZ 20:49, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

I would suggest holding off on adding Kup until we're sure which toyline he'll be part of: Generations, Transformers (2010 toyline), or possibly something else (which most likely would be improbable since the main part of 2011 would focus on the third movie). Just want to spare everyone the trouble of cutting and pasting from one article to another like what was done for Special Ops Jazz and Turbo Tracks. - Zadok Rox 21:09, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

I agree with this. --ItsWalky 21:11, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

Gen 2 Optimus Prime

I know that Gen 2 Optimus has been announced, but he wasn't declared a 'Generations' toy, was he? I know I listed him as such on the G1 Optimus Prime toy article, but there's a possibility that I might have jumped the gun (like what was done with Special Ops Jazz). That's why I removed him from the list on this article (after adding him the day before). Meanwhile, I'll leave the Prime toy page as is until there's verification. - Zadok Rox 11:24, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

I hate how Hasbro is handling this! They have separate toylines and separate fictions, but the toylines don't match up to the fictions! ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why couldn't "Transformers" just be movie line figures and "Generations" non-movie line figures? (Sidebar- Why do retailers seem to think that movie toys are a better sales bet than non-movie toys? OTHER than TFs and Star Wars EVERY movie line seems to clog shelves for years! The two Hulk toy lines were taking up tons of space on shelves right next to each other!) Okay, end of ranting. --Khajidha 11:32, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

I would imagine that retailers think to seem Transformers movie toys are a better sales bet than non-movie Transformers toys because they very very obviously are. --ItsWalky 11:51, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

Especially after the huge demands for Transformers toys that lead to empty shelves in 2007. - Zadok Rox 11:58, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

Huh. Haven't noticed such a huge disparity around here. TFs have pretty much had the same shelf space since RID and have sold pretty steadily (except maybe Energon). The only real jump in shelf space was when Movie, Universe and Animated were running concurrently. Even then all sold well, with Movie having the largest proportion of shelfwarmers. --Khajidha 16:55, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

Shouldn't Tracks, Jazz et al at least get a mention in the article

I know Hasbro ain't exactly making this easy for us with their confusing brand nomenclature, but shoudn't we making it easy for ourselves? I know this is simlar to the Kup and G2 Prime points above, but we currently do know how Jazz and Tracks are coming. They are obviously CHUG in design, though not in brand. They deserve a mention in the article. I would do it myself right now, but the more anankastic among us would automatically click the undo button and I couldn't be arsed wasting the effort in that particular style of edit war. Drmick 07:34, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

No, not if they aren't Generations. They are listed on the Transformers page. - Starfield 12:47, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

Crockalley had added a note that was then edited by me to say "The Transformers 2010 toyline contains several toys with a design aesthetic similar to the Generations line. This led to confusion when fan expectations were contradicted by official Hasbro announcements." Is there consensus to leave this note, remove it entirely or edit it? --Khajidha 13:05, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

I say leave the note as is. Having two toylines, both of which has G1-based characters in them, does cause confusion. Hopefully Hasbro will do be better job of seperating characters if they have future branching main toylines. - Zadok Rox 14:50, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

And another batch of expected Generations figures is revealed as 2010 line instead. Any bets on how much longer this remains an ongoing line? --Khajidha 13:14, 27 October 2010 (EDT)

For as long as Hasbro wants to maximize shelf space. --ItsWalky 00:24, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

I know this doesn't belong on this page's talk page, but we haven't really got a grasp on HFTD or Reveal the Shiled sublines of the other line. And right now giving each of those lines their own category is as a good as a suggestion as any (i.e not much). The retailiers are doing better job than us on this point. Drmick 16:12, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

Actually after reading the discussion on Lugnut's talk page, and the more the I think of it, is Generations any more of a separate line than HFTD or RTS? Wouldn't it make as much sense as to incorpoarte Generations under Transformers 2010? A bit like how Universe 2008 had G1 series, War Within series, G2 series etc etc 15:59, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

No, because Generations has a different style of packaging. Universe '08 had the same packaging while denoting which era the toys came from. HFTD and RTS is only a promo. - Zadok Rox 16:22, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

United

-I want to know more about the relationship between Generations and the united toyline...Is Generations releasing Wheeljack and Kup like United, or is United releasing additional transformers. Besides, when is United being released?

We don't have official solicitations from Hasbro about Wheeljack or Kup, but there is no doubt that we'll see them over here. Takara wouldn't make those toys on their own; it just doesn't happen. As for release dates, the preorder pages on BigBadToyStore and the like will tell you that. --ItsWalky 22:19, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

Difficulty bar note

What is that note about the difficulty bar trying to say? What is the difficulty bar for in lines that aren't all deluxes? - Starfield 00:14, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

Normally, the difficulty bar denotes the size of the toy rather than how difficult it is to convert the toy (or so has been my observation). If you take a look on the packaging of past toys (and on the packaging of the Transformers (2010) toyline), you'll notice that all the Deluxe-sized toys has a difficulty rating of 3, all the Voyager-class toys has a rating of 4, etc. However, Universe '08 Onslaught (an Ultra-size toy with a difficulty rating of 4) was a cinch to transform while TF (2010) Ironhide (a Deluxe-sized toy with a difficulty rating of 3) was a pain in the....neck to convert (especially with that chest piece you had to get just right and then you move him a little and it pops out! Argh!!!). But with the 'Generations' line, Hasbro was kind enough to have individual ratings for the toys (as noted in the article). Therefore, if it says Cybertronian Bumblebee is a 4th-level difficulty toy, I'm not as aggrevated and less compelled to break the toy in half out of frustration ("You knew the danger when you took it", as one feathered superhero used to say). - Zadok Rox 08:45, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

Some 2010 Deluxes have difficulty ratings of 4 now. Maybe Hasbro is rationalizing things. --Khajidha 09:41, 30 November 2010 (EST)

Arcee and others

There was an interesting article on TFW showing some possible figures.[1] Is this source good enough for those too be added?--Fredbob 00:29, 8 January 2011 (EST)

The article simply mentioned some listings in Walmart's database, then went on to speculate. Sorry, but that's not enough in my book. Besides, we don't know which Warpath is being made into a Generations toy (G1 or Prime...or, though highly unlikely, Animated). As for Arcee, yes, it could be the G1 version since it's the Generations line, but Hasbro might throw us for a loop and come out with a Movieverse version of Arcee (despite one being released for 'ROTF' as well as Elita-One being part of the TF2010 line). Or, Arcee could be the 'Energon' version. Just be patient, gang, and we'll find out for sure soon enough. Until then, pray for a Generations version of Battletrap. - Zadok Rox 23:02, 8 January 2011 (EST)

I'd just like to pint out that computer listings can, have, and will change. We'd found computer listings for Alternators that never existed. BW Cackle was named "Kangaroo" when he rung up AT THE REGISTER, just as Mutant Razorclaw came up "Dinobite". So... yeah. Lot of variable that can easily change. --M Sipher 23:36, 8 January 2011 (EST)

Can we protect this page or something? This is getting ridiculous. --Khajidha 16:59, 9 January 2011 (EST)

Warpath?

Why is he on there right now, has he been officially stated to be part of the line? --Karhukjnsi 04:31, 22 February 2011 (EST)

At Toyfair, I believe. If not, I know he's been officially solicited to retailers. -hx 06:54, 22 February 2011 (EST)

He was not mentioned at Toy Fair. We'd only officially know he exists due to Zobovor's Walmart computer listings, and we already know those are out of date because Arcee, Bumblebee, and Starscream are no longer Generations. Warpath should not yet be on this list. Durrrr, BBTS has him for preorder. --ItsWalky 09:41, 22 February 2011 (EST)

BBTS pre-order is official enough for us to list, then? --Detour 09:48, 22 February 2011 (EST)

I think so. --ItsWalky 10:02, 22 February 2011 (EST)

Good show, thanks for the clarification. --Karhukjnsi 16:47, 22 February 2011 (EST)

Kaon Prisoner does not understand what waves are.

Wave 8 has only one toy: Warpath. THIS IS NOT A WAVE, WAVES CONSIST OF FOUR FIGURES, NOT ONE!!! So can I make a change? --Kaon Prisoner 19:31, 15 May 2011 (EDT)

No. That is a wave, Warpath is just the only new figure in it. The rest are figures from older waves. --Detour 20:13, 15 May 2011 (EDT)

I think it would be useful to include all of the toys included within a wave to the section, though. —Interrobang 00:26, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

No, 'cause it's only one toy on wave 8, that's not a wave, they should make three more. --Kaon Prisoner 21:03, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

P.S. A wave is 4 figures, that's what I meant. Why don't you understand me? --Kaon Prisoner 21:05, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

A wave is not 4 figures. A wave has never ever ever been defined as 4 figures, except only by you, right now. A case of Deluxe Class toys has 8 figures, and the number of distinct toys in that case, new or old, can range from 1 to 8. --ItsWalky 21:09, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

About the title: I do know what waves are, thank you very much. ALSO: What about the others?! --Kaon Prisoner 21:11, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

Wave 8's layout is as follows: One Scourge, one Kup, two Wheeljacks, two Thundercrackers and two Warpaths: [2] --Detour 21:16, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

At User: ItsWalky: Not as a box, as a single figure, I have Generations Megs and Soundwave, it's four, not 8, you must be confused with Reveal The Shield. As in Rodimus vs. Cyclonus. So... logic dictates that you're an idiot. --Kaon Prisoner 21:20, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

@Detour: No those are from other waves. Also way too many figures. Sigh. Look, it's only one figure! Currently. Or is it never, what with the Prime toyline rolling in? Also the caption is "That's it! We're done!" So that is it. They are done. THEY NO LONGER MAKING ANYMORE YOYS!!!!!!! --Kaon Prisoner 21:36, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

You need to read the definition of a wave. --Detour 21:40, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

To clarify for Kaon Prisoner: A case contains 8 figures. Those eight figures make up a wave. They may be all the same or they may be eight different figures or some mixture. When the figures in a case change, that is a new wave. Often some figures from a previous wave will continue to be shipped in the new wave. Example: Wave 1 may contain 2 each of Figures A, B, C, and D. Wave 2 may contain 2 As, 2 Bs, 1C, 1D and two Figure Es. A, B, C, D and E are ALL Wave 2 figures but only Figure E is new. This is the situation with Warpath and the rest of Wave 8. A = Wheeljack, B = Thundercracker, C = Scourge, D = Kup and E = Warpath. --Khajidha 22:49, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

@Khauis... Ah fuhgeddit... (and this is me quoting TRON:) I don't get it. --Kaon Prisoner 17:00, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Also I've read the article on waves, thanks for the tip. --Kaon Prisoner 17:06, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

If you've read my explanation and the article on waves and still don't understand, then I don't know what to tell you to show you why you're mistaken. I would advise you that calling people idiots is not good behavior. Especially when one of them (ItsWalky) is an admin on this site. --Khajidha 17:16, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Sorry about that. --Kaon Prisoner 14:23, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

Hm.

They've not announced new figures. Strange.--Kaon Prisoner 21:42, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

The Generations toyline has ran its course. It's now all about the DOTM line and the Transformers: Prime line (which is scheduled for sometime in October). This is the natural course of toylines nowadays. Check out the Subline imprint article (especially the 'Game Theory' subheading) for more information. - Zadok Rox 21:55, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

Actually NO. Hasbro has insisted consistantly and just repeated at Botcon that Generations is not over and will continue at least through the end of the year. So his Hmm. Strange. Kinda stands. It may be they're still going to include Prime in Generations. --76.28.76.206 22:10, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

Even if they do more Generations figures later this year, it still is to be expected that there would be no new announcements about them right now. Right now, Hasbro's focus is on DOTM. Basically every release we will hear about for the next 3 months will be DOTM. So, no, that "strange" doesn't stand. --Khajidha 12:30, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

We saw the packaging for Prime toys at BotCon. It isn't Generations packaging. --Andrusi 15:12, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Do the Asian exclusives count towards the 40+ Generations toys mentioned at Toy Fair? 90.192.94.240 08:43, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

No. 1) 40+ are US releases, those are not, 2) those are 2012 releases, the 40 are for 2013.--76.28.76.206 09:31, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

2013 Generations at SDCC

First, Asian exclusives will come to US, at Toys R US: http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/asian-import-exclusive-transformers-generations-hasbro-official-images-175484/

And voyager Grimlock is confirmed with a bunch of repains: http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/2012-transformers-generations-official-hasbro-product-images-175488/

Future toys

The page is missing Voyager Grimlock and Blaster. Also the Asian exclusives are coming to the U.S.

Language on multilingual packaging on those Toys R Us exclusive legends

Does anybody know what language is on the multilingual packaging on those Toys R Us exclusive legends? Chinese? Japanese? - Starfield 18:18, 14 December 2012 (EST)

Chinese.--Khajidha 20:30, 14 December 2012 (EST)

Asian retail exclusives continuity

Is it because these figures are imported from Asia that we consider the characters G1 as opposed to Prime? I mean they clearly look like G1, but I thought all future toys were part of an aligned continuity. Riddlerj 16:46, 15 December 2012 (EST)

I don't think it was said anywhere that "all future toys are part of Aligned." --ItsWalky 17:30, 15 December 2012 (EST)

Japanese Generations Releases

So how is the wiki going to be handling listing these? I noticed the site is mostly void of mentioning the Japanese versions. The releases are mostly inline with what Hasbro is doing, but the number is different and obviously the figures are very different. Thanks! poweredconvoy 20:38, 3 February 2013 (EST)

Flanker and Payload

I know that they are based off of Blast Master and Sky High in appearance, but are we really going to put them under the toy sections for the G1 Sky High and Blast Master? There are already names for Flanker and Payload so why don't we just place the toys under the names they were given instead of the appearances they were based off of.

Comic Pack release in Quebec

So, much like the Universe comic 2-packs, the "Thrilling 30" comic pack releases have seen release in Quebec and do not include the comic, the cardback instead featuring a bust crop of Orion Pax's cover for all figures. Should this be noted on every comic pack figure's article, or should it be noted here or in the Multilingual packaging article? Or all of the above? --Detour 18:29, 13 September 2013 (EDT)

Age of Extinction

The AOE character articles have their toys listed as Generations. Does that mean they're putting the AOE toys as part of the Generations line instead of a new toyline? Aren't movie toylines huge though? Bioniclepluslotr (talk) 14:47, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

Air Raid Retool?

It says here that Air Raid is a retool of Skydive. That is not referenced on their individual sections and when you look at the figures beyond the legs which they share everything else looks new. Should this say partial retool perhaps? Extensive retool? Or something more specific? At the moment I think just retool is misleading. Mister Jazz (talk) 10:52, 3 January 2015 (EST)

So where do we put Quickslinger and Brake-Neck?

Under "Combiner Wars" or under "exclusives"?

Also, should we maybe possibly reorganize the whole thing into three "phases" (2010-onwards, Fall of Cybertron/Thrilling 30, the later with a FOC/T30 subdivision for the mass retail releases, and Combiner Wars), with exclusives listed as part of these phases? An entire "exclusives" list separate from everything else doesn't make much sense to me at this point.--Nevermore (talk) 09:00, 2 April 2015 (EDT)

Yeah, I'd been considering splitting up the exclusives too. They all divide up nicely based on the Generations logo used. My only concern would be that that could lead to some very deeply nested sub-headings, which always look a bit daft... Jalaguy (talk) 13:57, 2 April 2015 (EDT)

Well, I seriously doubt we need separate sub-headings for exclusive Bruticus, Metroplex and the Ultimate Gift Set. When each sub-heading has one entry, the sub-headings become kinda pointless really. Plus, HTS/SDCC/ACGHK Metroplex isn't actually Generations, is he? Unlike the mass retail version, the exclusive version doesn't have the "Generations" logo anywhere on its packaging or instructions. I gave the site an overhaul; please let me know if it's okay in its new form.--Nevermore (talk) 15:54, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Looks good. Not sure about the "Phase X" bits in the headers, though, since it could give the false impression that that's terminology Hasbro themselves have used. Jalaguy (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Possibly Offensive Caption

Couldn't the Windblade caption on this page be seen as offensive? I've seen similar cases (Animated Drag Strip, Masterforce Overlord) and they were changed. Avalanche (talk) 11:56, 15 April 2015 (EDT)

What strikes me about the caption mostly is that it isn't really very true. Red/black VTOL jet, sure, but Windblade is pretty visually distinct. My personal feeling is that the caption isn't portraying "gender-swapping" as the butt of a joke, nor is it using terminology that I understand to be offensive. I had to dig into the history to find out what captions removed from the pages you mentioned, and they were both captions that used questionable words and targets for humor. This one is not like those, as far as I am competent to understand. So I personally don't see a problem with it. But if someone does have a problem with it, versus worrying someone else might have a problem with it, I'm super fine with ditching it. It's not a great caption anyway. --ItsWalky (talk) 12:30, 15 April 2015 (EDT)

Okay. Thanks. I will leave it for now, then. Avalanche (talk) 14:56, 15 April 2015 (EDT)

On the subject of listing the comics

I've seen multiple instances of people being referred to this article upon asking the reading order for the pack-in comics, so I'd throw a vote behind keeping them listed here. Jalaguy (talk) 19:11, 23 August 2015 (EDT)

Split

As discussed in the Discord channel. At this point, a gajillion different sub-lines have the "Generations" branding on their packaging, which also causes some ugly nested listings on several characters' toy pages, which have over half a dozen toys under as many different "Generations" sub-lines, some of them released as recent as this year, before the list even gets to the original Takara release of said character's Masterpiece toy that came out half a decade ago.

I suggest we treat "Generations" in a similar manner as we treat the 2003 and 2008 "Universe" lines. Generations from 2010 to 2014 was a proper toyline title. From Combiner Wars onwards, it was an umbrella branding for multiple different lines.--Nevermore (talk) 13:03, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

Totally agree with this. Generations stopped being the name of its own line as soon as Combiner Wars took it out of the toy packaging's main title logo and moved it to a tiny little brand logo in the corner. Even the tie-in media for Combiner Wars through now never used the "Generations" name. The cartoons were "Transformers: Combiner Wars", "Transformers: Titans Return", "Transformers: Power of the Primes", and "Transformers: War For Cybertron Trilogy". The comic events for Combiner Wars and Titans Return were the same only minus the "Transformers:" part. Even in the TV commercials for each line called them "Transformers: Combiner Wars" and so on, never calling them "Transformers: Generations - Combiner Wars" etc. These aren't subline imprints, they're their own lines, and ought to be treated as such, right down to having disambiguation tags like "(CW)", "(TR)", "(POTP)", "(Siege)", "(Earthrise)", "(Kingdom)", and "(Selects)". --Sabrblade (talk) 13:15, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

I agree that the entries on toyline pages should be split, but honestly I think this specific hub page for Generations is still fine. It's all one continuous thing, it's just evolved as it's gone along. I don't think the page is unnavigable at all in its current state. If the toylines do get split, I figure the Fall of Cybertron and Thrilling 30 sublines should go on their own pages too, rather than all being folded in with the original Generations run. —The Wadapan (talk) 13:58, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

In the cases of FOC and Thrilling 30, those did keep the title as "Transformers: Generations", so those were subline imprints and should stay as such. It also works to distinguish between Archer Era Generations (a toyline) and Warden Era Generations (an umbrella term/category). --Sabrblade (talk) 14:44, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

I agree that Combiner Wars onward should be split up on character pages and they get their own disambig parentheses. I think the same could go for T30 and FOC, but I'm not married to this particular point. Saix (talk) 15:37, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

I am for the split on character pages. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 16:48, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

Same, and I also think this page should be kept the way it is --notsoalex (talk) 16:50, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

I agree with the splitting on character pages but indifferent about the Generations page itself. MrRald (talk) 21:12, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

Here is a proposal on how we could look at spliting the character page headers.

You'll see that everything not specifically related to Generations (meaning it doesn't use Generations in the title) has been split out, but I kept Selects in there due to it using Generations in the title (unless anyone objects to that?)

I also went with splitting WFC and Prime Wars by trilogy, as like a proof of concept type-thing. If we feel that splitting those up into their general release order instead, I have no problem with that. I also used G1 Prime's Generation toy headers, since he's probably one of the few characters that has had a toy in every line.

Thoughts? Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 21:18, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

It will be a pain in the ass to redo a bunch of popular G1 character toy listings, not to mention page anchors to toys that I've just spent the last few weeks correcting on the year pages. I vote for "if it ain't broke..." --MistaTee (talk) 21:52, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

Not true. The reorganization will not break the anchors so long as we keep the anchor tag with it's respective toy listing. Which shouldn't be hard. There might be a rare case here or there where something doesn't have an anchor of it's own and is relying on a header to be the anchor. Those are things we want to fix anyway. The year pages should not need to be touched much if at all. If there really is a lot, Teletraan-X could be employed to help with some of the work. --Tigerpaw28 (talk) 22:53, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

Agreed. I changed most—if not—all of the WFC Trilogy and Studio Series character page headers to the current standard in organization (using "Generations" as the only header for a single toy release) doing about two entire toylines worth of character pages in about a day. I'm sure it'll be about the same going back in the other direction (at least this time I won't be making entire pages worth of ID number updates and changing all of the headers to italics based on the associated toylines).

The Tl;Dr: it shouldn't be as long to get through this time around. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 00:51, 21 July 2021 (EDT)

Just wondering what separates this "It's all one continuous thing" from our treatment of Universe (2003) and Universe (2008), since the last toy with the old toyline's logo (Chevy Aveo Swerve) came out in 2008, the same year the new line was launched. Or hell, the initial "Legends Class" size that was launched with 2005's Cybertron also had some chronological overlap with the renaming of the original size into "Legion Class" and the introduction of a new "Legends Class" price point that kept repeatedly changing its scope (from data disc two-packs to a larger figure with a small partner figure to just the larger figure).--Nevermore (talk) 06:04, 21 July 2021 (EDT)

Legacy Evolution Update

I feel the current legacy description is not gonna age well with evolution and wave 3's lack of such weapons. It needs an update.--Poliwag06 (talk) 06:11, 23 December 2022 (EST)

Timelines

I know the current policy seems to be filing the 2025 Timelines subline under Comic Edition, but I feel like it should be treated as a separate entity since it's about exploring what characters would look like in other time periods, and it's never been stated that they always have to be comic-based. (The designs could be all-new next year, for all we know.) It just so happens that this year's theme is steampunk so the team has an excuse/outlet to release Hearts of Steel designs. Thoughts? - IGEBM13 (talk) 17:38, 24 June 2025 (EDT)