Talk:Unreleased toy

OK I have to stop making this, I have to sleep you know :P Well as you can see this is far from being finished and I will attend to this tomorrow, of course you can edit it, cous I have found a few probs of which I have no idea how to fix em! Thanks for your help.Dead Metal 20:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

What Counts?

I'm almost not sure we should even include concept art here, because there's a shitton of stuff that never got off the drawing board - I'm thinking of the movie monster TFs, that dinosaur Scramble City combiner, and all that other stuff in the back of Generations. On the other hand, the G2 Gobots WERE unreleased until they came out during RiD, and the same is more-or-less true of the Universe Seacons. I dunno. -hx 21:37, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

yyyyyyeah, concept art is questionable... --M Sipher 21:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Split the page. Give it an 'unproduced concepts' section. If that gorws big enough, split it off into it's own page.

The subject is broad enough... it's probably best to let it evolve organically. -Derik 22:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Since this never went anywhere on Black Rodimus' page...

We really, really need to devise a consistent way of dealing with unreleased product on characters' individual pages. I would ideally like to see it either integrated into the normal toy/merchandise lists with some kind of obtrusive "THIS NAME CAME OUT" indicator or have a separate "unreleased toys" section otherwise constructed just like the normal toy section. Opinions? -LV 22:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Subcategory at the end of "toys" but before "merchandise." -hx 22:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Two more Gobots??

This is the first I hear of unreleased jeeps and sports cars in the Gobots line. Anyone have pics?? --Detour 22:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

...[1] did, you can search through archive.org I guess... When did this site do down? Did it move? Steve-o's links page doesn't have a more recent address for it. -Derik 22:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[2] all I see here are the four that were released in the RID line... --Detour 22:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I wish I had saved it, but they were part of the massive ton of shit that the Hartmans auctioned off way back when. -hx 23:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

FortMax to the rescue! pic 1 2 3 4 And pics from an older auction: 1 2 3 4 --FortMax 00:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

So, what, you just have a big ol' 'misc_tf' folder you save stuff to? "Shit, I bet I'll want that later, enough so that I'll be willing to sort through everything in here to find it." -Derik 01:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Kind of. It's mostly pics of unreleased toys I come across, so it's mostly G2 prototypes from ebay auctions. --FortMax 04:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Impressive. This is the first I've heard of the jeep and sports car. Wonder why Hasbro didn't bother to release them in RID... --Detour 05:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

You'd think they would have - if you look at the pics of all six together, I'm pretty sure they share molds just like the original six Spychangers do... Parts of the molds might have gotten damaged over the years, though. Who can say? -hx 10:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

According to the Hartmans, the jeep and sports car couldn't hold their guns correctly. That may have had something to do with it. --FortMax 15:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Derik, I've talked to Rapido. He's been in the process of rebuilding the site, but hasn't had much time to do it. He says it will be back up eventually. --FortMax 15:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Unreleased toys that eventually got released

Do we list these? I'm thinking specifically about "molds that were meant for one line, canceled, then reused later but not necessarily as the same character" like RiD Bruticus, the Flipchangers, four of the Spychangers, etc. I would almost say they don't count, since they saw release in SOME form. I dunno. What do you guys think? -hx 21:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC) I don't know, i feal it's like with redecos, the toy itself was released, but that particular character/recolour never hit shelves...--Grand-majin 21:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

This could be tricky. How do we define "Released"? In the strictest of terms, the cancelled color scheme being used on the mold, we'd have a short list (Air Attack Primal, RID Megahead, possibly the Target Universe Voyarers, TWW Grimlock and Prowl, Alt Rumble and Ravage, and not much else. BWII BB & Starscream, Botcon Sideswipe and the upcoming Seacon redecoes are close to ATB Megatron, Uni Drench and the cancelled Energon set, and Astrotrain is Spacewarp with a new head, so those could count as well. However, the BWII Autorollers don't look a thing like their cancelled G2 releases, nor do the RID releases of the secend Gobots set, and we don't even know what colors the Flipchangers would be if they had been released in G2 (same goes for the Mutants).

So we have three definitions for "released" unreleased toys: new mold toys ended up not being used for whatever reason but were later dusted off and used in a line they weren't designed for (Autojetter, Autolauncher, Gobots set 2, G2 Flipchangers, RID Bruticus, BW Mutants), Redecoes of toys that were later released in (close to) the cancelled planned deco (ATB Megatron, Uni Spacewarp, Energon Seacons, BIAB Drench), and ones that were simply picked up as a store exclusive, released in the succeeding main line, or both (BM Air Attack Primal in RID at TRU, BM Grand Mal Megatron in RID at KB, Universe Wave 4 Ultras at Target, Alt Rumble and Ravage at Walmart, Reissue Astrotrain at HTS, and Titanium Grimlock and Prowl at TRU). --FortMax 22:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I would say they stay, since the versions that get released eventually are a little different then what the original releases would have been like, best example Spacewarp, different head, different tone of colors, different Mini-Cons and something else.Dead Metal 19:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I understand the individual words, but when you put them together they make no sense. --FortMax 15:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

What I mean twas that, there have been changes made to the toys, meaning they no longer represent the original concept. Like Spacewarp and Astrotrain, although Astrotrain was made so they could use the Spacewarp toy, they changed the head, gave him new Minicons and the colors are slightly changed, at least that's what I read in this wiki.

Does it make more sense now? Dead Metal 16:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Soundwave pic?

Were did the Classics Soundwave concept go? Dead Metal 14:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, it was deleted because it was fan-colored. --Professor Icepick 15:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

yea I know it was fan-colored, i found it on DA and the poster even said so himself, but the ink was defiantly Don Fig, what's so bad about it being fan colored? I mean this wiki uses images that are edited from there original form, like the characters being cut out from the rest of the piece.Dead Metal 15:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

It's considered speculative. When the gray prototype pics of Armada Overload came out- there were dozens of photo-bashes of him in various shades of G1 colors. NONE of them reflected the reality that came to pass. Fan-colors on an unreleased toy make it look different than it actually would have been. -Derik 16:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't recall what the image looked like, but would it have been possible to reduce it back to line art only? Or would that still not have given results allowable by the wiki?--Apcog 16:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Who cares I found the inks, upped them, and did the same shit as before. I hope it's allowable now. --Dead Metal

Anyway, to answer your question about what's so bad about it being fan coloured, there is a difference between us cropping an officially published (or otherwise officially approved) picture to some guy colouring it himself. Now, the concept art belongs to Hasbro, but the colours, as Derik explained, were made up. --FFN 16:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

So how come the straight line art's been removed from the article and the image has been marked for deletion? Is it not acceptable now under wiki policy?--Apcog 16:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I found FFN's comment, and I disagree. It's a Don F. concept sketch of Soundwave; "DonceptSwave" compresses that nicely and still gets the idea across. Sure, the title could be extended a bit, but I don't think it's necessary.--Apcog 16:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I am ultra-pandantic about people on this wiki using easily readable filenames, so could be something really simple like Classics_Soundwaveconcept.jpg, no need to say Don in there, as he would already be credited on the file's page itself. Also, was this concept art officially unvieled by Hasbro or published in an official publication? If not, are we allowed to use it? --FFN 16:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

i didn't care about the changing the name, so I just went with what unicron.com named it, yea I'm THAT lazy. Dead Metal 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Wait WHY has it been removed from the article-again?Dead Metal 18:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey. Just because Don drew something, are we necessarily sure it was an officially commissioned piece of concept art? I mean, if I say HEY DON HERE'S SOME CASH DRAW A TOY VERSION OF MY FAN CHARACTER, next thing you know the entire internet will be wanting to know who this crazy dude Hasbro's making is supposed to be. (that's actually a great idea for a troll, too bad Kyde beat me to it) -hx 11:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Except Don said he submitted it to Hasbro.

Also check out this concept sketch of SOUNDWAVE! Although he submitted this "years ago, I think for Classics or Alternators" it sure seems to be what they based the design of TF: Animated Soundwave upon to me.

So it's unused concept art. --Detour 11:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Unused concepts

After reading about the Soundwave mentioned above, and checking out the unused headmaster designs in The Ark II, I was wondering where the line is drawn between unused toy concept and unreleased toy. To me an unreleased toy is one that made it to prototype phase, like Transtech Cheetor, but never came to fruition. Should there be a split between unreleased, and unused? Or do we just have faith that if they had a design for it, it was going to be a toy, but didn't make it far enough in the process to be unreleased?--Carrion 17:05, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Soundwave Mini-Cons?

Does anyone have any pictures of the Cybertron Soundwave Mini-Con prototypes?Compy-Rex 15:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Classics Soundwave

Should it be mentioned that it's possible that Classics Soundwave may have ended up as Animated Soundwave? --Blackdrop 00:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

No, that would be speculative in some ways, unless there is any official information confirming it. --TX55^TALK 01:07, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Henkei Black Convoy

OK I added it as the prototypes seemed very legit to me but if you feel we should not keep it here give me good reasons to take it down.Dead Metal 12:21, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Good enough?

Well I did a clean up what do you think of it now? Is is it good enough to be considered cleaned and we can remove the caption on the top of the page?Dead Metal 11:09, 19 January 2009 (EST)

I did some more cleanup, including removing the extraneous semicolons from the ends of subtitles. What's left to clean? --Loudstone 16:32, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Missing Gallery

Currently, the "Gallery of Unreleased Universe Piranahcons" gallery is gone (or the link is pointing to the wrong place). Do we just want to remove the link, or create a new gallery? I noticed that at least some of the pics are on the Seacon (G1) page. --Loudstone 16:32, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Transtech Starscream

Did we ever find out what the deal was with [this] thing? Does it belong here? 21:39, 17 September 2009 (EDT) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.194.162.151 (talk • contribs).

First of all, check your links next time. Secondly, sign your posts. THIRDLY, it's covered under Starscream (TransTech). -- Semysane 21:50, 17 September 2009 (EDT)

FOURTHLY, that friendly demeanor really makes me want to help the wiki out SO MUCH. I knew there was a reason I quit contributing. YourMom 22:07, 17 September 2009 (EDT)

Cleanup

I'm removing a lot of unsourced claims from this page. Some of them sound like plausible things that should be added back in when -- and only when -- we have details to post. Some of them are just crap. I'll list everything I remove here, in case someone has information on them.

A Rodimus figure with a strange design and transformation. It is believed that the Target exclusive transforming Optimus Prime gift card is based on this figure, as it is similar in design and transformation.

Beast Machines

Prototypes

Megatron

Piranhacons (I pulled this one because it did see release)

Prototypes

More Minicon partners for Soundwave
A Scrapmetal repaint.

Wonder Festival

Packaged Samples

A black Redeco of the Classics Optimus Prime mold, but as a black version of the heroic Convoy character with Autobot faction symbols, not a Nemesis Prime/Black Convoy character.

Prototypes

Target Exclusive Energon Megatron/WST Soundwave twopack.
A Optimus Prime repaint and WST Optimus Prime twopack.

I've heard this is that crazy awesome black/neon green Megatron and the "Santa Claus Prime" that were floating around for a while. Those DEFINITELY exist. IIRC, the rumor part is that the WSTs were going to come with them. -hx 23:34, 2 February 2011 (EST)

Miscellaneous

Concepts

A supposed Hooligan
A supposed Megatron
A supposed Starscream
A supposed Optimus Prime

Chip 23:06, 2 February 2011 (EST) Those are all legit, I can't however remember what the BM Megatron was. The Rodimus one was shown in a Japanese book showing the history of TF toys, the Wonderfest Black Convoy was huge in the news at the time and his test samples go for a huge amount on ebay we even had Takara giving out an official statement that he was delayed before they just forgot about him. The Energon Prime and Megatron are those crazy redecos and we even had a gallery of both. The "Miscellaneous" ones where shown off as concept drawings at Dairycon. Next time you remove something, check the external links and cross-check with the linked articles. Dead Metal 12:36, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

We saw a prototype of WST Prime that was claimed to be Hasbro's, and the weird checklist on Hasbro's website that accidentally included unreleased toys featured "Megatron/Soundwave" and "Optimus Prime w/ Mini Optimus Prime" (not sure on the exact wording).--Nevermore 09:43, 24 December 2011 (EST)

Deluxe Classics Optimus Prime

I assume the prototype has something to do with this.--Nevermore 09:43, 24 December 2011 (EST)

Update: Followed up by this.--Nevermore 10:02, 24 December 2011 (EST)

Animated

At this point, is it safe to say the Animated toys not released by Hasbro yet are to be considered canceled?--Nevermore 17:18, 24 December 2011 (EST)

Anything else that should be included

Shouldn't Toxitron be on there seeing as Botcon Toxitron was specifically based on the unreleased toy?--BlackStarscream 17:16, 12 June 2012 (EDT)

Transforming CD Toys?

I was going through some old files and found that at the 2006 TransformersCon [3] Don Murphy mentions Aaron Archer showing him some articulated and good looking transforming cd toys. Anybody heard/seen more info on these? RavenG 01:47, 10 October 2012 (EDT)

Botcon Concepts

Would the Botcon concept ideas count as unreleased toys? Example: [4] and [5] Victinoko (talk) 13:50, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

No, that goes on the BotCon page. --westjames/notirishman (talk) 18:33, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

Understood. Thank you for clarification. Victinoko (talk) 20:01, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

Transformers Animated Bumper Battlers Ratchet

So I was looking around on this site to find unreleased toys to add, and I saw an unreleased Bumper Battler Animated Ratchet, but all we know of it are its instructions. What I want to know is, does that count as Concept Art, or a Solicitation? Victinoko (talk) 21:19, 7 May 2018 (EDT)