Talk:Volcanicus (POTP)
The Beast
[edit]I really don't think this article should be merged with The Beast. They're both Dinobot combiners but they're very clearly two separate characters. As it states in the article, The Dinobots had to actually break themselves down to combine rather than just transform into the separate components. The Beast was also a violent, raging...well, beast, while Volcanicus here seems to be much more "controlled" and not as eager to abruptly switch sides, based on what we saw from the Earth Wars teaser.
Just because they're both dinobot combiners doesn't make them the same thing. Mega-Dinobot isn't merged with The Beast, so why should Volcanicus be? RazorSlash (talk) 18:34, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
- I am also feeling inclined to keep the two separate. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 18:50, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
- Those sound like really arbitrary points. Consistent characterization isn't a thing in Transformers and we don't even split up pages based on different component members (Galvatronus...). Mega-Dinobot is also made up of only two dudes and is from a completely different continuity family. The point is that both are literally just the same concept (combiner made up of the five Dinobots). Saix (talk) 18:57, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
- Galvatronus is a different case, though, I feel. The toy and the appearance in the IDW comics do not directly contradict each other outside of the formation(though, to be honest, I always felt the IDW and Generations pages should be split anyway, but that's a discussion for another time). We know from Earth Wars that Volcanicus is an Autobot combiner. The Beast isn't, it's a rampaging monster that kills whatever it sees. RazorSlash (talk) 19:14, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
- Galvatronus isn't a different case if you're being picky about how they combine (also Liokaiser). Re:Characterization: Cloud Grimlock is a Decepticon "slaughter machine". Cartoon Shockwave is a spineless loyalist while Marvel Shockwave is a logical military commander while IDW Shockwave is an amoral scientist. We still don't split those pages apart because those characterizations are irreconcilable. Saix (talk) 19:26, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
- Devastator is still Devastator even with 1 or 2 Autobots mixed in there; the (literal) gestalt personality overrides the components. Liokaiser still even LOOKS LIKE he always did when es missing Leozak and using Deathsaurus instead. But Volcanicus has a different name, look, combination scheme, and personality from the Beast. The same components merge into a different goal. I think they should stay separate. --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 23:10, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
- Galvatronus isn't a different case if you're being picky about how they combine (also Liokaiser). Re:Characterization: Cloud Grimlock is a Decepticon "slaughter machine". Cartoon Shockwave is a spineless loyalist while Marvel Shockwave is a logical military commander while IDW Shockwave is an amoral scientist. We still don't split those pages apart because those characterizations are irreconcilable. Saix (talk) 19:26, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
- Galvatronus is a different case, though, I feel. The toy and the appearance in the IDW comics do not directly contradict each other outside of the formation(though, to be honest, I always felt the IDW and Generations pages should be split anyway, but that's a discussion for another time). We know from Earth Wars that Volcanicus is an Autobot combiner. The Beast isn't, it's a rampaging monster that kills whatever it sees. RazorSlash (talk) 19:14, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
- Those sound like really arbitrary points. Consistent characterization isn't a thing in Transformers and we don't even split up pages based on different component members (Galvatronus...). Mega-Dinobot is also made up of only two dudes and is from a completely different continuity family. The point is that both are literally just the same concept (combiner made up of the five Dinobots). Saix (talk) 18:57, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
I reject merging it with the Beast. I think the different name and staggeringly different conceptual intent are enough to justify keeping Volcanicus and Beast apart. Yes, Dinobot combiner = Dinobot combiner, but while the Beast is a Dinobot combiner gone horribly wrong, Volcanicus is a Dinobot combiner done right / played straight / however you want to put it. It's closer to Grand Galvatron vs. Galvatronus than comparing different configurations of Galvatronus. And practically speaking, if they were merged I believe neither Volcanicus nor the Beast deserves to be subsumed into the page of the other. Volcanicus is going to be whatever he's going to be...he shouldn't be hidden away on the Beast's page. And the Beast is such a uniquely horrible piece of Transformers history, both ironically and unironically...it shouldn't be squeezed onto a Volcanicus page. This is one of those cases where EVEN IF the rules support merging the two (and I don't concede they do), the more user-friendly outcome is to keep them separate. --Xaaron (talk) 23:17, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
No this shouldn't be merged with The Beast. Obviously a mention and link should be in the notes section, but they should not be the same article. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 23:22, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
- I think we lose a lot of information by making The Beast a footnote on Volcanicus's page. A lot of salty, salty information that makes my tummy warm. --ItsWalky (talk) 23:41, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
If Cyclonus can transform into the torso modes of two different combiners (Galvatronus and Grand Galvatron), Optimus Prime can transform into the torso modes of two different combiners (Ultra Prime and Optimus Maximus), and Scattershot can transform into the torso modes of three different combiners (Computron, Betatron, and Modulus), then I don't see why Grimlock can't likewise transform into the torso modes of two different combiners. --Sabrblade (talk) 01:03, 10 September 2017 (EDT)
- NO--Nevermore (talk) 05:24, 10 September 2017 (EDT)
- "... I don't see why Grimlock can't likewise transform into the torso modes of two different combiners." ...with all the same components. --Jimsorenson (talk) 11:40, 10 September 2017 (EDT)
CONSENSUS: No move. While there are several good technical reasons to merge them, the prevailing sentiment is that the pages just feel better kept separate, and we're fine with that reasoning. The pages stay separate.--Jimsorenson (talk) 21:31, 10 September 2017 (EDT)
- 'cuz, look, when I want to redirect some random internet person to the
Glorythat is The Beast, I don't want to have to link to a subsection buried on a page for something else way more important, cut off from all its hilarious footnotes, and stripped of its now-unnecessary intro. It would be the darkest timeline. --ItsWalky (talk) 00:17, 11 September 2017 (EDT)- I volunteer to supply the salt! S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 00:19, 11 September 2017 (EDT)
- I mean, that's a better argument than "uhh, one is more crazy". Saix (talk) 03:21, 11 September 2017 (EDT)
- I mean...they look pretty dang similar. The biggest difference I'm seeing is that Swoop's wings get moved to the back, and the crazier head. The rest of it is personality differences, which combiners have had across various media before.KrytenKoro (talk) 13:13, 21 February 2018 (EST)
- I mean, that's a better argument than "uhh, one is more crazy". Saix (talk) 03:21, 11 September 2017 (EDT)
- I volunteer to supply the salt! S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 00:19, 11 September 2017 (EDT)
Mis instructions
[edit]Slug,s legs actually have a clear slot to peg into, if you flip them around, and sludges snap in if you rotate them about 45 down. KrytenKoro (talk) 21:23, 3 March 2018 (EST)
Volcanicus (POTP)
[edit]Similar to, say, Teletraan-X (episode) and Teletraan-X (Cyberverse) should we have move this to Volcanicus (POTP) due to Volcanicus (episode)? --notirishman (talk) 22:01, 2 December 2018 (EST)