Talk:Wasp
- Walky, you shouldn't have to take the spoiler date tag off- even if you don't feel like waiting for the page to re-cache (whcih it only does a few times a day) when you re-save the page it automatically updates. (And in this case when the time is passed it says 'okay to remove this tag!') (Though really, I'm not sure if that's what you want- what should it say when the US airdate passes?) Uh- you can see it when you hit preview. -Derik 16:14, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- The tag should exist for a week after the episode airs. "It is okay to remove this tag" speaks against those purposes. --ItsWalky 16:37, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- Hrm, would adding a week to the date do it? Do you want it to turn green when the episode airs but not tell them to remove the tag? (I'm tryign to figure out the desired behavior. Green when date expires would not be hard-green when date expires and add the 'you can remove' only if you're expired + 1 week is also doable.) -Derik 16:40, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- The tag should exist for a week after the episode airs. "It is okay to remove this tag" speaks against those purposes. --ItsWalky 16:37, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
In point of fact, though, shouldn't the tag remain until the series is over? Not the "spoilers for "Autoboot Camp" tag, but the semiprotect_spoilers template. Is it not conceivable that Wasp could be back in the finale (I have no idea if he is or not) - meaning that this page needs protecting up until that point, lest some Dubai-watching ne'er-do-well comes along and ruins it? Isn't that why we have the template? We protected everything Animated, not just the things that we had already actively been spoiled about. - Chris McFeely 16:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- Are you making a "We must spoil-protect everything, because the fact that Wreck-gar's article is NOT spoiler-protected is, in fact, a spoiler for the fact he does not appear again" argument?
- I don't think that's a bad argument, but at that point- dont' use individual spoiler tage- put a AnimatedNotice template at the top of all animated articles, that way you can put anything you want inside that template (like a spoiler, reminded to respect others, notice of upcomign airdates...) and it will appear at the top of all Animated pages.
- As an aside note, if written
properlycarelessly, it would also kill the ad-block on all animated pages, forcing them to use the less-obnoxious banner. - I guess I'm trying to figure out what the desired goal is to determien the functionality. People seemed to be all- "Yay, spoiler timeout tags!" but the way they're actually USED seems like what they really want are 'Do Not update' timeout tags, or a notice saying "Keep your spoilers compartmentalized to avoid spoiling people until this notice passes." Almost like a stoplight with 3 settings; red for "Don't add info at all," yellow for "add it but be cautious," and green for when it can be allowed to spread naturally over the entire article. (So Shockwave's article would be essentially empty under red, mention his dual ID in his fiction section accompanies by a spoiler tag when yellow- and have his ID in his bio at the top when green.) They'd so sort of automatic 'how to update this article' guidelines. Is that sorta what people are after...? -Derik 18:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Move proposal
[edit]Just a thought, but now that Wasp has renamed himself Waspinator, shouldn't his page be moved to Waspinator (Animated)? I wanted to make sure it would be okay to do so before going ahead and moving the page. -Monty Prime
- Well, since we kept Leobreaker's article at Overhaul (Cybertron), I think we go with the first name found in fiction as the actual article title. --Professor Icepick 23:51, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
- The discussion over at Overhaul seemed to agree that you go with the name of the first toy (unless a bunch of discussion got lost), which would indicate the move to Waspinator. I think the only rule defined in the Help pages is "the most prominent name," which is only so helpful. I think "Wasp" is more prominent. In-universe it is more prominent because he went by that name for just about all of his life. - Starfield 00:04, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
- He was in more episodes as Wasp than he was as Waspinator. Barring an as-of-yet unannounced fourth season, that will remain true. The alternate name is available as a redirect, so I'd say we're fine.--RosicrucianTalk 14:36, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
- So, basically, if/when he eventually appears more as Waspinator than he did as Wasp, the page will be moved, otherwise it stays? Monty Prime 19:18, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
- Ehn. I'm really not seeing the point of moving this. The "toy" thing is more a reinforcement for a "no move" than a black-and-white rule. My understanding/feeling is that it's more a "real world chronology combined with prominence". We knew the character as Wasp first, and that's what he's spent the overwhelming majority of his existence (in our world) being called. Overhaul is about 50/50 with Leobreaker, but since Leobreaker came about later... --M Sipher 19:44, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
- I respect the toy-factor because it shows breadth over the franchise. If a character has two names in the show, but only one of them gets used on a toy, then I would tend to favor the one with multiple uses. Also, in this specific case, I think the name "Waspinator" has an unusually strong value because the character was conceived with that identity as his destination. He was meant to be Waspinator in a way that, say, Bumblebee wasn't "meant" to be Goldbug. Even Hot Rod doesn't quite compare, since he has become so established as a character in his own right, post-Rodimus-Prime. - Jackpot 00:08, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
- As-is... Waspinator is almost a footnote on Wasp's bio. An end point for his story, not the story itself.
- If there's a season 4, that might change. -Derik 00:15, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
- I'm actually more for calling him Waspinator, as his only toy is named that, isn't that also the reason why Movie Brawl is called Brawl and not Devastator?Dead Metal 15:22, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
- Well, the writers intended to call him Brawl in the movie, and even pointed out the screwup to Bay, but he didn't care and thought Devastator sounded cooler. Antimatter 16:20, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
- Ah damn I forgot that, I recall laughing about it back then. Dead Metal 12:07, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
- Well, the writers intended to call him Brawl in the movie, and even pointed out the screwup to Bay, but he didn't care and thought Devastator sounded cooler. Antimatter 16:20, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
- I'm actually more for calling him Waspinator, as his only toy is named that, isn't that also the reason why Movie Brawl is called Brawl and not Devastator?Dead Metal 15:22, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
- I respect the toy-factor because it shows breadth over the franchise. If a character has two names in the show, but only one of them gets used on a toy, then I would tend to favor the one with multiple uses. Also, in this specific case, I think the name "Waspinator" has an unusually strong value because the character was conceived with that identity as his destination. He was meant to be Waspinator in a way that, say, Bumblebee wasn't "meant" to be Goldbug. Even Hot Rod doesn't quite compare, since he has become so established as a character in his own right, post-Rodimus-Prime. - Jackpot 00:08, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
- Ehn. I'm really not seeing the point of moving this. The "toy" thing is more a reinforcement for a "no move" than a black-and-white rule. My understanding/feeling is that it's more a "real world chronology combined with prominence". We knew the character as Wasp first, and that's what he's spent the overwhelming majority of his existence (in our world) being called. Overhaul is about 50/50 with Leobreaker, but since Leobreaker came about later... --M Sipher 19:44, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
- So, basically, if/when he eventually appears more as Waspinator than he did as Wasp, the page will be moved, otherwise it stays? Monty Prime 19:18, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
- From before we knew there was a character named Wasp, we knew there was going to be a Waspinator. There was never a moment where Wasp wasn't "Waspinator-in-training", his behavior from the first episode was an homage to Waspinator, and his only toy is his Waspinator form. Personally, I think that Wasp was only intended and used as a "pre-beast" form for Waspinator. While he first appeared in Animated as Wasp, I think the best decision would be to move the article.
- Then again, Waspinator himself considers "Wasp" to be a different bot, so maybe it's even weirder than that.KrytenKoro 21:37, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
- From the way things unfolded in fiction, we weren't really supposed to know he was "Waspinator-in-training", I mean if we willfully suspend knowledge of the history of the Transformers franchise and just look at what the story is telling us. Wasp is much more prominent. I still vote for Wasp. - Starfield 22:07, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
- I'm not talking "knowledge of the Transformers franchise", unless you mean the bios on released toys and Wyatt's blog. And seeing as this wiki is not just about the cartoon, I think its fair to take those into consideration.KrytenKoro 18:49, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
- He was in more episodes as Wasp than he was as Waspinator. Barring an as-of-yet unannounced fourth season, that will remain true. The alternate name is available as a redirect, so I'd say we're fine.--RosicrucianTalk 14:36, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
- The discussion over at Overhaul seemed to agree that you go with the name of the first toy (unless a bunch of discussion got lost), which would indicate the move to Waspinator. I think the only rule defined in the Help pages is "the most prominent name," which is only so helpful. I think "Wasp" is more prominent. In-universe it is more prominent because he went by that name for just about all of his life. - Starfield 00:04, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
With his car toy also being "Waspinator," that tips the balance for me and now I think the page should move to Waspinator. - Starfield 21:22, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
- I disagree. He's Wasp for very nearly his entire history. We should go by the more prominent name. --Jimsorenson 21:31, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
- Agreed. --M Sipher 22:04, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
- The toy is "Fugitive Waspinator" because Marvel (I believe) own the Wasp TM. And Derik had it right when he called Waspinator "a footnote on Wasp's bio. An end point for his story, not the story itself." Fiction > toys. Do you also want to change the pic for one with Bumblebee's head?!
- And what do you mean "tips the balance"? You were in favour of moving it before!- SanityOrMadness 21:33, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
Faction
[edit]It feels wrong to me to have the continuity note say "Wasp is a Decepticon." I mean, I assume we're going that route because the Fugitive Waspinator toy will be labelled a Decepticon, but in the cartoon, Wasp himself is never a Decepticon - he's an Autobot, then he has the unaligned black "rubsign" logo, and then WaspINATOR wears the Decepticon badge. I liked my old note: "Wasp was an Autobot from the Transformers Animated continuity family. After a freak mutation, he donned a Decepticon insignia and took the name Waspinator." Which Interrobang didn't like, maybe because it's a bit long, even though our continuity notes normally do note allegiance-switches and major re-namings characters undergo. - Chris McFeely 18:17, 10 January 2010 (EST)
Unrealeased?
[edit]Fugative Waspinator is not unrealeased. Shouldnt he have this, {{uncertaintoy}} instead? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fredbob (talk • contribs){{#if:00:25, July 26, 2010 (EDT)| 00:25, July 26, 2010 (EDT)|}}.
- In one of the recent Hasbro Q&As, Hasbro said the remaining Animated figures were canceled. (I commented out the "uncertaintoy" template in your note so it wouldn't put this talk page in a category.) - Starfield 21:10, 17 December 2010 (EST)