User talk:Abates/Archive 5

Heatwave GB

Hey, abates. I was going to change Heatwave's GoBox to something I made from the Rescue Bots Memory game cards...

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... but I saw that you made the original GoBox, so I thought I'd get your opinion on it first. --Monzo (talk) 11:39, 17 January 2014 (EST)

Sure, go for it! I'll make sure the version that appears on other sites updates. --abates (talk) 15:57, 17 January 2014 (EST)

Could you fix this?

I'm regularising the Marvel UK cover filenames, but I accidentally just moved the #101 cover to File:MarvelUK-102.jpg. Could you move it to File:MarvelUK-101.jpg and delete the redirect so I can move the actual #102 cover there, please? Ta. - SanityOrMadness (talk) 19:17, 27 January 2014 (EST)

All done! --abates (talk) 19:24, 27 January 2014 (EST)

Hi

Hello, thanks for the notice. I just fixed that up. ;-D --TX55^TALK 05:05, 4 February 2014 (EST)

Awesome, thanks! :) --abates (talk) 05:42, 4 February 2014 (EST)

About three users...

I don't want to sound overly cautious and paranoid, but it's bothered me for a while: Is it possible that these three users are one and the same? I mean, they feature similar styles of contributions, not to mention the names. Just putting this out there... --Inkblot (talk) 03:51, 29 March 2014 (EDT)

I did a checkuser and... yep, they're one and the same, as far as I can tell. --abates (talk) 04:01, 29 March 2014 (EDT)

Here's another one: Are these two guys the same? I hope not... --Inkblot (talk) 18:02, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

I was wondering this myself a while ago. That the exact fan-art on Noerk's userpage can be found on KirbyForce1's deviantART page is kind of damning, unless Noerk was lying about the art being his. Jalaguy (talk) 18:07, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

Naw, pretty sure they're different people. --abates (talk) 18:22, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

PHEW! Thank goodness! --Inkblot (talk) 18:24, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

Could User:Ratchet0202 be perma-banned User:Ironhide0202? Very similar names, very similar editing patterns. Jalaguy (talk) 09:15, 11 May 2014 (EDT)

Yep, it looks like! --abates (talk) 17:07, 11 May 2014 (EDT)

Hey, abates, could you do another one? User:Energizer and User:SirSpoonwave have very similar posting habits, and it's making me suspicious.Escargon (talk) 22:53, 21 May 2014 (EDT)

SirSpoonwave has not edited in a year and a half so any checkuser data is expired. In any case, it's not like either of them is a problem user. --abates (talk) 23:26, 21 May 2014 (EDT)

Hey, could you run checkusers on User:Bruticus-Maxwell and User:JaAm-On-Toast? They seem likely candidates for KirbyForce sockpuppets... Cheers. Jalaguy (talk) 17:26, 22 June 2014 (EDT)

Okay, yeah, they were KirbyForce. Just noticed User:SlimerJoel from a few days ago, though... Jalaguy (talk) 17:54, 22 June 2014 (EDT)

Checkuser on SlimerJoel was inconclusive, unfortunately! --abates (talk) 18:46, 22 June 2014 (EDT)

Can you check User:Thunderstrike57? His/her edit to Drift (AOE) makes me suspect KirbyForce again. --Khajidha (talk) 07:11, 23 June 2014 (EDT)

Nope, doesn't look like that's him. --abates (talk) 16:37, 23 June 2014 (EDT)

Could you check this new Septesson guy? I think he's Norek. Escargon (talk) 16:24, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

Thanks

Yeah, I admit that perhaps I went a little overboard with the Interstellar Challenge course (as I admit of being afraid of too-small articles), thanks for refining it a bit.

Double thanks for helping refine my articles and images :-) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Go(toby070)Bots (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

No problem! BTW, you should sign talk page comments by using ~~~~ (or by using the squiggly signature button in the toolbar over the edit window. It's the one second from the right). --abates (talk) 21:58, 4 May 2014 (EDT)

Add the Dinobots

Since you're in charge of the Age of Extinction page, why aren't the other Dinobots Slug, Slash, and Scorn aren't in the chart full of characters? I made their pages if you haven't noticed. Can you please add the Dinobots? Movie09 (talk) 09:05, 11 May 2014 (EDT)

They're not on there because as far as I know, we haven't seen official confirmation they're in the movie. We've only seen Grimlock and Strafe in trailers so far, and none of the Dinobots were in the list of voice actors revealed the other day. I'm not in charge of the AOE page, but as it was locked down so only admins could edit it, I was trying to keep it as up to date as I could. --abates (talk) 17:03, 11 May 2014 (EDT)

Checkuser

Really sorry to use you as 'the checkuser guy' again, but I rather suspect that User:AdrenntheMan might be User:OptimusPrime12/User:MetroPlex71, not least because OptimusPrime12's email address began with 'Adrenn'. Cheers. Jalaguy (talk) 14:57, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

Yup! --abates (talk) 16:03, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

Okay, this might just me being paranoid, but could you check User:JangoPrime365 too? He registered an hour after Adrenntheman was blocked, his MO is similar, and he uploaded File:Prime gets shotAOE.jpg, which is identical in dimensions, size and metadata to File:Optimus gets shot AOE.jpg, uploaded by MetroPlex71... Jalaguy (talk) 18:52, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

Same useragent string plus the timing makes me think you're right. Something else that doesn't add up is that he claims on his talk page to be in Australia, but his IP address indicates he's editing from Austria. --abates (talk) 19:24, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

*cough* Mimi (talk) 20:58, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

Why are you guys so suspicious about me? Am I a wanted hacker or something. I was searching for administrators so I can know more about them, abates/you came first. I decided to read your page and I found this. I thought to myself, " Am I being accused that I'm someone else?". I didn't know what mo was so I looked it up. Now I know. I decided to mind my own business and upload a file of dreadwing. I didn't crop it right so it showed a couple of pages. So what? . I know how you guys are feeling. You guys don't trust because I'm the "New Guy". Same thing happened on wookiepedia. Everyone was suspicious at me because they think I'm dangerous or something, Get this, I'm not. I'm just new and I'm trying to enjoy myself in here. So can you guys stop being paranoid and give me a boost up on this wiki?

If you guys still don't trust me, feel free to kick me or remove out of this website, I'll understand.

JangoPrime365

You are not being suspected because you're a "new guy", you are being suspected because your behavior is somewhat similar to a user who's been banned. In many wikis, it's not uncommon for a banned user to create a new account to try and bypass a ban, and our policy for ban evasion is always a permanent ban for every account the user has and will make. The sad part is that there are many instances when the ban is temporary, and the user could have simply waited for it to pass, rather than take the chance and be permanently banned. Just giving out the facts. --Inkblot (talk) 02:26, 13 July 2014 (EDT)

I understand but guys, don't accuse me of being someone else. I know the rules about the "only one account per person". I don't create multiple accounts because I know it results into a ban. Being honest, I'm one of the shy types. I don't want to get that much of attention from a group of people. It starts to make me uncomfortable and paranoid. So why accuse a new-timer rather than giving me tips and a head start on this wiki? .

JangoPrime365

Response

The captions were not informative as to what the content of the picture was. Image captions are meant to put an image into context of the page. The caption on the images I edited did not serve this purpose. I've been here in the past and it is incredibly off putting to see image captions with jokes rather than information. It does not inspire confidence even if the content of the page is good. It makes it hard to take the site seriously as a information source, which is what all wiki based site really are.

While I can understand the idea of trying to be light and a little humorous, I know that at least more than a few people find this incredibly off putting and unprofessional, which hurt's a site's like this ability to attract people to it. While the user's here may think it's funny, the average person who comes here will not appreciate it the same way, or may not understand the context of the joke, it can ruin the first impression make it so people may not come back. A large portion of people who come to wiki based sites are not hard core fans, but the casual viewer or someone who has a passing interest in the franchise, or is trying to get more information on something they may be missing context on. They aren't looking for jokes, they just want information. Another thing Humor is HIGHLY subjective to the individual, putting a joke on the main page of an article meant to be view by the general population in general is not a good idea, given that a lot of people won't even think it's funny, and if they they don't think it's funny, then they are probably just gonna think it's stupid, and that gives a bad impression of the site.

But the biggest reason I'm doing it is that the tone of image captions seems to be spilling over into actual article content. Image captioning is one thing, but the content of the article proper should only be factual information.

I'd also like to note that at the time I edited the captions, I didn't not actually know the site made it a policy to have humorous captions, just so you know that I wasn't trying to make a point and be a menace or anything, everything I do is in an attempt to improve the quality of the site. --8492nd (talk) 16:21, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

Can I ask who are the Admin's here, for future reference?--8492nd (talk) 17:45, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

First, I would like to thank you for the list of Admins, it's always helpful to know who is in charge.

Second, I don't want to be trouble maker, but I do feel the need to express my point of view on the subject in it's entirety. I just ask you let me say my piece, and If I if you don't agree with my views, that is fine, I won't push the issue after I've made all my feeling known, but I do as that you listen and consider what I say. I have been a regular editor of a number of wiki based sites for years and have a good deal of experience on what works with a these sites and what doesn't, in general at least.

First thing is that while the current community may like how it is, this in general makes it harder for a wiki to grow as a community, as you have become specialized to appeal larger base. While you may of noticed other wiki's using a similar type of system, that does not, by it's nature mean it's a good thing. Some wiki's are new and may only be copying the format of a larger more established site, like this one, but many more follow the more standard format. The site you should really be taking notes from are the largest and most successful one, as they are the ones that have manged to attract the most users to edit them and work on them, and almost all of the one's I've seen that get that large follow a similar format to Wikipedia. While a more humor based system will appeal to some people, history shows that the more traditional format seems to attract more people.

Also, while I don't doubt that you have seen people in favor of this format, I feel like if you spread the question beyond the confines of this sites community, I do feel that the the number of people in favor of this would drop, as it is not the preferred format on most wiki based sites. This fact would indicate that it's not really popular in the larger online community.

The other things, which I have mentioned before, if humor is highly subjective. I can personally say I do not find any of the captions I've read funny, but I know I can't use that as a base for everyone else, but it shows an example of the intended idea of having something "funny", can actually hurt the site. In real life, if you tell a joke, and it bombs, you normally end up embarrassing yourself, and I know that in my case it usually makes for a fairly awkward situation. Apply this to a wiki page, while you don't have the same embarrassed situation, it looks bad for the site as a whole. The more casual fan who just stop by maybe to look up an episodes list, or maybe needs a reference picture for something, reads one of these captions. Maybe they think it's funny, but the more likely response is confusion and not understanding why it's the way it is. If they don't know that the intention is a joke, it can result in confusion, or result in turning someone off to possibly joining the community.

But here's one of the two my biggest issue in this situation. I'd be able to take some humor based captions, but the humor based captions seem to be the rule rather than exception. Now I like to laugh as much as the next guy, but I do think that if you really want to keep some humor in the articles, it would work better in smaller portions. I think of it like hanging out with a guy who just doesn't know when to stop making jokes, yeah he's funny once in a while, but if everything out of his mouth is some kind of joke, it get's annoying. That's how it feels when I read pages, almost every image I see has some kind of joke on it, if it's got anything at all. I feel that if this how it's going to be, and I know think that it will be for a long time, that it should be done in moderation. As it stands right now, it kinda feels like that it keeps coming at you, while not fully providing context of the picture, which is my other biggest point.

Some picture need to put in context. Take the page of Alexis Thi Dang, near the end of the Armada section, their is a picture of her crying after Starscream died. Now, the caption reads "They told me mullets were making a comeback. They lied!", not only does it sorta take the intended emotional impact of the scene out, but the image doesn't make sense to someone who hasn't seen the episode, or hasn't seen it in a long time. In general, this is something that needs to be addressed, some picture need to have context to make sense in the page. The Images real purpose to to give the reader a better insight into the articles content, they should compliment each other to give a better view what is being described in the article, and putting a joke caption in hurts or even robs it of the ability to do so, especially if the the person has not actually seen/read the materiel in question, it could be a picture of anything and any caption and ultimately have the same affect.

So in conclusion, I don't think that the "humor" aspect will change in the near future. But I really do think it needs to be toned down at least and let being and informative site be at the for front of what the site is about. Let images have informative caption when necessary, and if people want to have their little jokes, fine, but I think the idea of having fun may of gone to far with the image captions and content and context is starting to suffer.

I'd appreciate it if my opinion was genuinely considered, but even if it's not, I still felt the need to voice my opinion on the matter, and I hope you don't take any of this as a personal insult or attack, it's not intended to be.--8492nd (talk) 20:48, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

Talk:Main_Page --ItsWalky (talk) 21:32, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

Yes they could, this is true, but it's not truly efficient. If I'm reading one of my text a books for example and their is a diagram or image of an individual, I want the caption to be put in the context and explain what it's purpose is for being on the page so I can look at it on the same page I'm reading the relevant information on it. I don't want to have to look it up some where else to find out it's context.

I don't know how big the community on here is, but the Transformer fan base is much larger than what is represented here. I feel like you (by you, I mean the community in general) have unintentionally made the site less appealing to other fans of the series. I know myself and more than a few of my friends have been put off by the captioning here. The most common thing I've heard is it does not make them confident they can trust in the information given when the pages are presented in such a manor.That is one of the worst thing for a wiki based site, as the intention is present information, if people get a bad first impression, then they probably aren't going to come back.--8492nd (talk) 21:48, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

We have tens of thousands of people who edit on here. Almost every fan site out there relies on us as a source. The Legends cards copy our articles bios for their cards. Freaking Hasbro invites us every year to Toy Fair. Escargon (talk) 22:04, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

First do real work on this website. Real work. Add real content. For, like, months. Maybe years. THEN maybe tell us how to totally change our whole wiki forever because of what you and your friends have decided amongst yourselves and runs contrary to our entire mission statement. Do not bring up this subject again until then. End of discussion. --ItsWalky (talk) 22:07, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

This message is addresed to It'sWalky

I'll will note that It'sWalky, my comment after yours was already being typed and was done before your placed your comment, so it was not my intention to disregard your comment. I got the edit conflict not, but by nature I type longer comments into a word doucounet and copy in paste it in to make sure if somthing like that happens I still have most if not all the meterial I typed.

I may be new here, but I've edited wiki and wiki based sites for years, as well as being a life long fan of franchise. Just because I'm new here doesn't mean that my views should be dismissed right off the back. I'd also point out that it wasn't "me and my friends deciding among ourselves" I was solely referring to, while I have discussed this with my friends, I've also discussed it with other's on other wikis, even a couple of people I out right do not get along with, but agreed on this topic.

I will say this, you do not have to get cross with me. I voiced my opinion, which I believe is allowed. You shouldn't be threatened by my opinions, maybe take what I have to say, considered some of my points, and If you don't agree with me, you can present the response in a formal, less aggressive way. I only wish to help improve the quality of the site, and help it expanded into a larger community, I'm sorry if you took this the wrong way, I just tend to not give short responses in general, I give short essays responses. I've been told in the past this can come off as pushy or aggressive, but it's not my intent, it's just how I'm wired to be meticulous in responses and point of view.

When I joined I got the standard welcome message and it said "Captions - The funny stays/the funny is not the main goal here.", I took this to mean that while he have some humor, it wasn't the main idea, which I feel it has become.

I am truly sorry if I've offended anyone, I'm here for the same reason as everyone else, because I love this franchise, and I do think for the most part your content is excellent, it's just this one thing I wanted to help improve. The community has done a lot, and does have an impressive user count (13850 users have registered sense June 2008, yes I counted, that's another one of those personality quirks I have).

My suggestions were not an insult or meant as such, only suggestions to help improve artical content and maybe help the wiki appeal to a broader demographic.

I'll end on the apology for how this was taken, but not apologize my views, they are mine and I'm entitled to them, but so is everyone here, and if this is how they want it, then I'll leave it alone for now.

I hope we can be mature about this, leave any hard feeling behind and move on.

--8492nd (talk) 22:52, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

If you want to be mature about it, then stop making up totally baseless claims and calling them "facts", and actually extend to others the respect you're demanding by reading their responses and familiarizing yourself with the wiki's policy, history, and very well-documented success before claiming that it's doing poorly. (As it's been pointed out many times, the wiki is tailored to appeal to the Transformers fan demographic, and is wildly successful at that.)

You know nothing, Jon Snow.KrytenKoro (talk) 14:11, 19 July 2014 (EDT)

Account Question

Is it possible to either change my username or delete my account?1MegaMan10 (talk) 15:31, 1 September 2014 (EDT)

Hi, sorry, the wiki is not set up to allow user renames or deletions. --abates (talk) 16:55, 1 September 2014 (EDT)

sorry about editing the tftm page

sorry mate--Convoy278 (talk) 02:01, 22 November 2014 (EST)

S'ok - if you haven't already read our policies page yet, it's a good idea and should be helpful. --abates (talk) 02:07, 22 November 2014 (EST)

why

I created those pages because they were not on. It's not my fault I dont know how to edit stuff. Signed Warpath1251 It's not my fault the help pages don't have how to edit. Also I said that this was just the framework. I was brainstorming ideas when you deleted the pages. Signed Warpath1251

Try Help:Editing on the basics of editing. --abates (talk) 18:37, 3 December 2014 (EST)

ARE talk page redirects still getting purged then?

If they are: Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#Still purging talk page redirects? - SanityOrMadness (talk) 19:42, 10 December 2014 (EST)

I usually just do that to be tidy since they're generally not needed. I don't know that we're doing it as a rule. It's not like they come up in searches or anything. --abates (talk) 20:25, 10 December 2014 (EST)