Talk:Power Core Combination

Merge with Power Core Combiners

Don't think this page should exist.

It should be covered under the normal Power Core Combiners page. In fact it should BE most of the basic Power Core Combiner page, rather than the out-of-universe stuff there now. As I said there on that talk page, we don't segregate Powermaster fiction under "Powermaster Binary-bonding Combination" or something dumb like that, we have it on the Powermaster page where it belongs. Same here. This page should be deleted and the regular Power Core Combiner page should be revised to be in propper wiki format with In universe fiction first and toy stuff under toys/trivia. --ZacWilliam 08:52, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

There is a page on binary bonding. But I think that only exists because it deals with more than one type of *masters. This page should definitely exist, but I think you are probably right, it should move to "Power Core Combiner". The Power Core Combiners page is a franchise page. - Starfield 10:19, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

I agree with Starfield that the reason the out-of-universe "Power Core Combiners" page exists is because we're treating it as a toyline unto itself (possibly a franchise, depending on your definition). I'm not personally married to that - I could also see it being folded into Transformers (2010 toyline) - but the current treatment calls for a separate page.

As for what to call THIS page, certainly "Power Core Combiner" would be valid, but I don't see why it would be better. Instinctively, I'd rather have the two page-names be more different than more similar. On the other hand, I can't at a glance find an official use of the term "Power Core Combination," so maybe it has less legitimacy. Shrug.

- Jackpot 15:26, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

"Power Core Combination" is used in the packaging blurb. "Stolen by DECEPTICON spies, Power Core Combination gives the evil robots a powerful edge. Those who have the power of combination are a dangerous threat to the AUTOBOTS on Earth!"

That makes it sound like "Power Core Combination" is a good name for the technology. - Starfield 15:48, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Ah, there we go then. Thank you. So it sounds like either choice is equally legitimate; it's just a question of which one is more user-friendly and subject-appropriate. Like I said, my instinct is to use "Combination" because it's more distinct from the toyline name. Also I agree with what you seem to be suggesting, that "Combination" is slightly more appropriate because this article is more about the technology than the individuals. - Jackpot 15:58, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Thing is "Power Core Combination" doesn't strike me as something anyone is ever gonna naturally search for or link to when they want to know about these guys. They're gonna look for "Power Core Combiners" because that's what the characters ARE CALLED both in-fiction and as a toyline. Back to my Powermaster example. No one is gonna look for them under (I know it's a silly name but I'm making a point) "Powermaster Binary-bonding Combination." They're gonna type "Powermasters." And fiction is supposed to have priority here on the wiki, so why should a franchise page (for something that's not even a franchise) get the good name over the in-fiction usage? I don't deny "Power Core Combination" is a correct and official verb for what these guys do, but we have a noun thats a name for them as a group that's much more natural to use because the noun is what we use in every other case. PCCs are NOT a franchise, just a toyline segment, is their any reason the toy info and the fiction info (which is not that much) can't just share a page under the more appropriate name? That's just me. --ZacWilliam 18:10, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

A few things.

• "Power Core Combination" is a noun.
• Is "Power Core Combiner" used in-fiction? (I don't know.)
• There is no specific thing as "Powermaster Binary-bonding Combination" but there is binary bonding, which has a page.
• Really, if we are talking about the characters as a group, "Power Core Combiner"s could be a sub-section of the combiners page, since they are a type of combiner. What sets them apart is the technology, which is called "Power Core Combination". The technology should have a page.

So I think the technology should have a page at "Power Core Combination" and the character sub-group should have a sub-section of the combiners page. - Starfield 18:57, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Actually, thinking about it some more, they really aren't combiners as we are used to. They aren't multiple individuals combining in both body and mind. The guys with drones are more like multi-component Transformers and the guys with Mini-Cons are more like binary bonded Headmaster style, with two minds working together. So I guess maybe they don't belong on the standard "combiner" page. - Starfield 19:11, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Heh, yeah it is a noun. Wasn't communicating clearly. I guess what I meant was PCCombiners is a proper name where PCCombination is what a PC Combiner does. The proper name is the more natural choice for this is all I'm saying. It's what we use in every other case. As for the Powermaster/binary bonding thing you're missing the point. Look at the Powermaster page and the binary bonding page. The bb page is a little blurb about the tech process in general because it applies to multiple subgroups. The Powermaster page is all about that type of TF in the fiction and its history and fiction AND the toys. It's the same for all the different types of TFs. Their fiction is all under the proper noun. The proper name of the group type. You look up Pretenders not "Pretender process" to learn about the characters in fiction. You look up "Maximals" not "Maximal Upgrade" to learn about the Maximals in fiction. I'm just saying that I think we should do the same here as in every other case. Power Core Combiners is the term that matches the way we do it for every other group.--ZacWilliam 19:21, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

OK, I see. The fiction section is talking more about the characters. Yea, that's a go[[od point. This page really only needs to talk about the technology itself, and would be short. I think there does need to be a different page to talk about the sub-group of characters. Maybe that would be called "Power Core Commander". If it was called "Power Core Combiner" it would be less specific and also include the Mini-Cons and drones. That would be more difficult to write a coherent fiction section. - Starfield 21:09, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

You mean like this? - Jackpot 21:13, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Oh yea. Just move this fiction section over there. - Starfield 21:16, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Eh. This Fiction section runs the gamut from Commanders to Mini-Cons to drones to Proto-Combiners to the relationship between PCC and gestalts, all around the central idea of the technology. I don't think it would be quite as at-home on Commander (PCC). Really, I am just ridiculously hunky-dory with how all of our PCC pages are currently set up. And I think I've explained myself as well as possible, so I'm going to bow out now. - Jackpot 21:44, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

In answer to your second question, Starfield, the Collector's Club story-blurb does NOT use the term "Power Core Combiner" in-fiction. Everything is a little more specific: "Commander" or "Mini-Con" or "drone". I don't own any of the toys and I don't know of a good source for complete scans/photos, so I can't really comment on what the packaging says. (For what it's worth, I think that's a pretty hairsplitty thing to base an argument on, especially since all it would take is one future usage to nullify it.) - Jackpot 20:55, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Multi-component Transformers

It sounds like, from the club fiction, that the guys with drones are Multi-component Transformers, with their personality engrams uploaded to the drones which allows them to effectively be in multiple places at once. Sound about right? - Starfield 10:38, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

That's true as far as it goes, but "multi component transformers" are a term the wiki coined to describe a phenomenon.--Rosicrucian^Talk 12:20, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

Yeah, Starfield, they seem to qualify as much as any of these guys. - Jackpot 15:26, 7 June 2010 (EDT)

New Name? "Power Core process"

Several of the new PCC bios up on HTS right now use a new term, talking about robots undergoing the "Power Core process" to become Commander. Since this new term is official (as opposed to "Power Core Combination" which as is mentioned by Jackpot above hasn't been used in official text) I think maybe we should move this page to the official term. Thoughts?--76.28.76.206 08:50, 27 September 2010 (EDT)