Talk:Liege Maximo

Umm.... I dunno but if I recall Unicron is eviller than the leige max, making this guy a little short of ultimate evil.

Everyone who reads comics knows that there's, at the very least, a few dozen ultimate evils all existing simultaneously. That's why the phrasing doesn't bother me much, since I'm used to such nonsensical hyperbole, but I'll see how I can reword it.--ItsWalky 16:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I think an ish in parenthesies on the end of ultimate with a link to unicron might be good, but that's just me.

Thing is, there's an ultimate evil beyond Unicron. Furman's only ever gotten a chance to hint at it, but it exists. --ItsWalky 16:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Is unicron really all that evil? He just embodies the need for destruction, he was created to do just that. I do not think he is inherently evil, I think that others give him a label that doesn't completely adhere to his job. As for the methods that he uses to execute his job, that's another story. --LokitheGrammarNazi 13:12, 18 September 2010 (EDT)

Alignment

Does Alignment count as official fiction, or is it just over-glorified fanfiction? Interrobang 22:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

It's fanfiction. The Ultimate Guide, written by Furman, reinforces this. It should get a trivia mention at the very least, though. --ItsWalky 22:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

On the other hand Ichikawa's "The History of Galvatron II" mentions Alignment, and convieniently forgets to mention that it's a Fanfic, Galvatron II's fleet of battleships might be a reference to his Fleet of War-Worlds in Alignment.

We're pretty sure it is a reference. That doesn't really change the story's canonical status. --ItsWalky 02:19, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

It mentions alignment- but IIRC it also places it in Japanese g2- meaning cartoon continuity, not comic-continuity. An analogous set of events. -Derik 02:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Galvatron II's bio is entirely just a description of the character from the Marvel Comics and his specific circumstances, even coming with a green Creation Matrix. Laser Magnus' bio is what connects GII to the fleet of warworlds, which are what Magnus comes out of the Matrix to destroy. But this Magnus apparently had the Matrix before and was dead, both which contradict the Marvel stuff. So, yeah, it's a murky area. --ItsWalky 02:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Adding from Exiles, could use advice...

Just checking. The whole begining of this article is very G1 focused. I would like to add more info on the Aligned version of the Leige here, but as the begining is supposed to be continuity neutral that would necessitate moving the G2 specific stuff down to that fiction section... and I'm not sure what to replace it with. Other than "That Liege Maximo is one bad ancient robot." Everything else I can think to say about him is only specific to G2 OR Aligned but not necissarily both. Thoughts? --76.28.76.206 11:05, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

"...wait until I've finished Exiles and I'll happily help?" -Derik 11:13, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

The first paragraph of the intro is vaguely continuity-neutral enough. It's only the mention of the Hub and the Liege being the ruler of the Cybertronian Emprie that needs to be moved. —Interrobang 12:00, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

AND the part about Megs and the Cons desending from him. AND The part about being created as the ultimate evil counterforce. That Doesn't leave much there.--76.28.76.206 12:44, 12 October 2011 (EDT)::

Given the apparent separation of the new Aligned continuity from the previous multiverse, I'm afraid it's starting to look like there may be need to split the Thirteeners articles in two, and create Liege Maximo (Aligned) or something. --KilMichaelMcC 15:55, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

I've felt the same trying to add in conflicting Exiles info to very Multiverse focused pages. I just didn't want to be the one to suggest it.--76.28.76.206 16:04, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

Should someone cut and put the image of who is likely Maximo from the One Shall Rise Thirteen pic? If we're putting up the bearded Thirteen as Prime A3, then wouldn't the big, horned bot on the right with what looks like a beehive for the back of his head be Maximo? Just sayin'- TFfan1 6:29 26 october 2011 (EDT)

IDW Liege Maximo

The following two passages:

The death of Nexus Prime ultimately inspired most of the Thirteen, including Liege Maximo, to leave Cybertron. He resided on another planet, the location of which was later discovered by Shockwave.

-and-

As with the other Primes, Shockwave sent one of his Regenesis ores to Maximo's hiding place. The Crucible

Seem to have been invalidated by the revelations in Rubicon. Most relevant here is that Vigilem and Liege Maximo never founded a colony. I get that this is hard to square with 13 ores seeded by Shockwave, but I'm hesitant to assume every Prime had a world, given we seem to be getting evidence that's not true.--Rosicrucian^Talk 21:07, 29 March 2017 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure that Shockwave sent the ores to where he thought they had gone, so there's still some wiggle room. Grum (talk) 23:09, 29 March 2017 (EDT)

Poor storytelling coordination aside, I think Grum's right. The easy fix is saying that Shockwave thought he was right. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 23:29, 29 March 2017 (EDT)

Scaling back the snark in his intro

I think the snark in his intro is at "11", which is a lot for a character that is meant to be taken fairly seriously. I'd certainly keep the uncertainty and "is this true?" vibe, being he's the Prime of Lies. Being that his fictional footprint might be increased soon and new people might want to look him up, maybe we tone the snark down? Nu-Priest (talk) 05:44, 21 November 2025 (EST)

It was previously unsnarked this summer and then immediately ununsnarked. I don't have a firm opinion on it, but if you don't want to reinvent the wheel, you could grab the previous unsnarky version: [1] --ItsWalky (talk) 08:39, 21 November 2025 (EST)

Look, the current version's both funny and perfectly accurate. If he does anything in EarthSpark we can de-snark it then. --Broadside (talk) 13:12, 21 November 2025 (EST)

I think there's a happy medium and we haven't hit it. The later parts of the current version skew a bit too far into meta-commentary to me that shades perception of the character. I think it's pretty funny, but if the joke is "Liege Maximo's time to shine hasn't arrived yet", I don't know if that's entirely true and it's very probable it will be made completely untrue soon with his impeding "final boss of a cartoon" status. Nu-Priest (talk) 13:39, 21 November 2025 (EST)

Happiness with the current version notwithstanding we have a confirmed release date of December 5 for the EarthSpark finale (that as noted will almost certainly require an overhaul) such that I question the necessity of an intermediate draft with a shelf life of like a week and a half or something. Relatedly, I am now noticing Quintus's intro is long overdue for an EarthSpark update if someone who's been keeping up has a moment. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 15:04, 21 November 2025 (EST)

He’s done something! 🥳 As Walky suggested above, I vote reverting to the June 18 version, it seems up to standards even considering his EarthSpark appearance. Cylasbreakdown (talk) 17:02, 6 December 2025 (EST)

Conceptual History Draft

I know there's been some mentions about this on the Discord, but I thought I'd bring it to the Wiki too just so that it gets enough eyes on it. It was brought up that Liege Maximo could use a conceptual history section at this point, and so I did a rough draft of one that hopefully can get refined/rewritten/edited as needed and then eventually put on the page.

Liege Maximo Conceptual History Draft

If anyone wants to take a look at it, leave feedback/make suggestions, go ahead. Thanks!--Dayton Hammon (talk) 13:10, 12 April 2026 (EDT)

Looks pretty good, only thing I'd add is that the EarthSpark design is also an attempt to hark back to his original, more monstrous and bulky appearance.

It might be worth bringing up how the IDW 2019 design does that too, but it's such a minor appearance. Alientraveller (talk) 06:09, 14 April 2026 (EDT)