Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)

Where's Chromia? She is confirmed! I added her why is she gone? And what about Ratchet? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Godziboy1993 (talk • contribs).

They haven't been "confirmed". They got stolen from factories in China. That is not an official confirmation. --Detour 15:58, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Ok, this is ridiculous. Yes it IS AN OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION. She was even in the god damn trailer! And why isn't Ratchet and Longhaul up on that either? Stolen from factories give me a break. Put them back on. Godziboy1993 21:55, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Oh and Barricade is on there too. His toy was stolen from a factory. Why the hell not Chromia, Ratchet, and Longhaul.

Because it is illegally acquired information. That simple. We'll add them once Roberto Orci confirms their presence, or Hasbro releases official photographs of the toys. To find out more, refer to Help:Official info. --Detour 22:10, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Paramount pictures cast list.

This poster looks like a pretty official cast list. FFN, you think it's dubious? - Starfield 06:50, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

Well, for a Starter, Overload should be added to the list of constructicons. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GUIGUI (talk • contribs) 17:20, 2 April 2009 EDT.

I agree, they didn't pull that name out of the æther. But it might be premature to spell it "Longhaul", or move The Fallen to the Decepticon column, or move Jetfire to the Autobot column. - Starfield 21:31, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

I really do not understand how this is set up. Why is Demolisher a seperate character? Who is the 7th constructicon when only six are shown combining into Devastator?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Godziboy1993 (talk • contribs) 19:36, 6 April 2009 EDT.

Who knows? - Starfield 19:40, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Japanese world premiere.

With the premiere in Japan, does that mean ROTF characters are [[Category:Japanese-original characters]]? - Starfield 10:50, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

You'd better be joking. - Chris McFeely 11:12, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

Transmitter at official site

What was the necessary stuff to log in again for the Transmitter? I can't remember if it was Derik or Detour that had posted up some things for it... Not that it's updated much. << >> --Lonegamer78 23:45, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

How about an actual article?

This thing is basically a list of info. Why isn't this a bit more organized, like on Wikipedia? And is the stuff about the Writers' Strike really neccesary? I'd edit it, but I do not appear to have that privilege. Jim Java 16:56, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

Yes it's a list of info, because right now all we have is info. It's better than Wikipedia's page because it focuses on confirmed news only and not rumors, stolen toys and third-hand reports. Yes, the stuff about the Writer's Strike is necessary, since it did affect production of Revenge Of The Fallen. No, you can't edit it, because the page is protected on account of so many anonymous users and new users making additions based on rumors, stolen toys and third-hand reports. --Detour 17:28, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

In about a month and a half, this article will get a total top-to-bottom re-write, when... y'know... we see the movie. Till then, there's not a lot of point in dramatic changes; they'd just be swept away under the deluge of information that we'll have when the film is released.

That said, I feel your pain. "Writer such-and-such has envisioned a storyline involving the Constructicons" seems like a ridiculous bit of information to have right upfront at this point in the game, when we've seen them in the trailer. ETA: If you'd seriously like to have a go at cleaning it up, you could always set up a temp page somewhere. -- Repowers 17:33, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

At the same time, I don't really see the point of doing a page like the Wikipedia. We'll never be able to compete with them in terms of sheer information on things like production, and were are restricted by our rule of only using information that has been released by Hasbro/Takara, Dreamworks, Paramount and their partners (and they generally don't release much in the way of information). Besides, as I've understood this wiki, our focus is on the content of the fiction itself and the characters starring in it, which is what differentiates us from the Wikipedia. We're not really here to tell people about how the director of photography and camera personnel filmed the 2007 movie on a mechanical bull or something. --FFN 21:06, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

Could we at least organize this in paragraph form? It wouldn't take very long, but it would look way better. Just thought I'd ask. Jim Java 20:50, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

I don't think that would make the article better at all. The article as-is is a list of things. Making that list into a big block of text is not going to help anything. We don't need to pretend that this article isn't a list. --ItsWalky 21:18, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

I'm gonna throw my hat in here and tell you to just wait. It's like Repowers said, give just over a month and the entire article will be totally redone top to bottom, just like you want Jim Java. Until then look at the Wikipedia article, I'm pretty sure they have it broken into paragraphs and make it an "actual article" as I'm sure you're insinuating.--AWT88 22:22, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

UK Release 19th June = World Premiere

As I write this the UK will be getting this a whole week before the States. So like, can we come and get started on the articles, or will there be Dubya-like emphasis on US civil (=Spoiler) liberties? 82.7.126.27 12:58, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

I figure it'll be okay if articles are filled out following the UK release. After all, most of Animated Season 2 aired a week early in Canada, and we still updated those pages even though they hadn't aired stateside yet. As long as media is officially released in a language we can understand (unlike that whole Dubai incident last year), it's fair game. -- Cyberlink420 01:40, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

World premiere was today, June 8, in Japan

As the title says. Do we need a new, updated "No spoilers" disclaimer in this article and maybe also on the main page?--Nevermore 16:35, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

Yes and yes and then some. We should have heavy disclaimage on ALL the in-movie character pages, and also make them--as well as, obviously, this page itself--off-limits to anonymous editors. (Also, holy shit, am I actually editing on IE now? Miracle!) --Thylacine 2000 16:47, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

Score

Should the score's info be added? Samples are up at Amazon Germany's listing. --Lonegamer78 20:04, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

Bay wanted to have German soldiers in the movie, German government said "no"

Source: Press conference from German premiere

Translation:

Bundeswehr soldiers in the cinematic end fight between humans and alien machines: That's how Hollywood warhorse director Michael Bay ("Armageddon") had planned it for his action flick Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen.

But German authorities threw a monkey wrench in his plans. The Bundeswehr soldiers at an Air Force base in the American desert state of New Mexico had been thrilled, "but unfortunately, the German government said no", the 44 year old director said at Sunday's German premiere of the science fiction flick. The cooperation with the US Department of Defense, on the other hand, hadn't been a problem - he had a direct connection there.

Will probably work it into the article once we go from pre-release to full article.--Nevermore 19:14, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

What? Germany isn't allowed to -have- a military.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 173.11.36.165 (talk • contribs) 10:02, 24 June 2009.

You are mistaken, sir.--Rosicrucian^Talk 11:29, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

Errors and Inconsistencies

I've just seen the film. I'm not sure how the final ROTF page will look, but if the previous movie is used as a template, then I can suggest NOW that the Errors/Inconsistencies section be spawned off onto its own page? Drmick 19:52, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Basic outline here: Revenge of the Fallen (film)/outline. Not sure when we should drop it in, but it should be soon. -- Repowers 20:13, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Unnamed Decepticons

Do we have any way of getting names for the unnamed decepticons, like the Ravage hairballs seen in the trailer and comic-books? The movie's not going to help, as it was incredibly lax on providing names for characters.KrytenKoro 03:31, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

Mysterious voice credits

Frank Welker is credited as "Reedman" along with Soundwave and Ravage, and Kevin Michael Richardson is both one of the Primes and "Skipjack". Do we know who these characters are? It doesn't help that both actors are known for Random Monster Noises roles. -LV 03:53, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

Edit: I may mean Soundwave, Devastator and Reedman. The point is, Reedman: WTF? -LV 04:06, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

I too saw those credits and wondered... but, I could also swear that I remember someone, maybe Ironhide, saying the name "Skipjack" aloud at one point in the film (at one of the base scenes, maybe?). For the life of me, though, I can't think of the context it was in. --

Did we happen to catch credits for Demolishor, Rampage, or any other growly-roary-types? - Chris McFeely 07:24, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

Devastator clearly said "DEVASTATOR!" during the big overhead shot of him slowly bearing down on the twins. --FFN 07:37, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

I definitely interpreted that as Megatron shouting "DEVASTATOR!" at Devastator for no particular reason. As for Demolishor...he must have had a voice actor, since he had actual dialogue, but I don't recall seeing it. -LV 11:15, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

Yeah, I couldn't decide if the roar of "DEVASTATOR!" was Megatron, or if Devastator had decided to declare his own name for some reason (which wouldn't be that odd, given that Megatron did it in the first movie). - Chris McFeely 11:40, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

It sure sounded like Megatron's voice to me. --abates 17:16, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

I'm also with that Megatron's the one calling to Devastator. --Lonegamer78 01:45, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

Surely he was calling to get Devastator to stop playing with the humans and come wreck up the pyramid? 137.195.68.169 10:50, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

In the IMAX it was clearly Megatron based on where the sound was coming from. - Starfield 22:49, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

Demolisher is in the credits as Wheelbot. But I kept missing it. First time, some dickhead at the back started sticking his hands in front of the projector and blocking it. As for Devastator, he NEVER speaks. Megs yells Devastator's name. Welker just handled roars and snarls (some blatant Welker animal noises are in there)User:Eire 15.57 25th June 09

Reedman has to be the raptor-like thing formed by the Marble bots. He's a reed-thin man.

Sweet, nice to know he has a name. -Derik 11:41, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

This seems to be corroborated by the Decepticons DS game (not the best source, given the divergence of video game plots, but an official one): before the mission to steal the All Spark shard you're told that "Ravage and Reed Man" have been sent ahead to secure the target... presumably referencing the skinny con's theft of the object in question. --Inevitable Betrayal 17:44, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

Any chance you can get an exact quote on that? (Because it seems to present Reedman has his own character, rather than a remote probe controlled by Ravage, and I'd like to be able to cite it.) -Derik 17:56, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

I'm afraid not. The dialogue popped up on the map screen between missions instead of within the mission itself, so it's not replayable, and I was surprised enough by it the first time I didn't think to write it down. I could start another file and play through to that point again (though I'd rather not, it's a bit of a letdown compared to the first movie's DS games), but at the moment all I can say for sure is that it referred to them as a duo, "Ravage and Reed Man," with Reed Man parsed as two words like that, not one.--Inevitable Betrayal 02:35, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

Well jeez! Sounded like a people-name! I wonder who "Skipjack" is, then? He... he couldn't be the little guy who gets killed for parts, could be? That guy didn't speak words, but he did make a sort of cry/yelp of protest as he was set upon. - Chris McFeely 17:46, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

That was one of the film's legions of Constructicons. Probably not a "Skyjack." -Derik 17:54, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

Skipjack. But, eh, i'm just tossin' it out there. The identity of the sacrificial guy does not really seem to be confirmed - people are just assuming he's a Constructicon because the other three were Long Haul, Mixmaster and Rampage, and Hightower's vehicle was on the barge, but no-one's actually identified the guy based on his physical robot appearance (and as a dirty great crane, Hightower would hardly be "the little one"). - Chris McFeely 17:58, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

I paid attention to the "little one"'s silhouette when I saw the movie again yesterday, and it most resembled Scrapper. Particularly its skinny legs. --ItsWalky 18:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

Let's see, that was about 40 minutes in so... *runs up MP3 of the movie's audio*

No, the 'parts' con doesn't make more than a few Ewok burbles.

Could he be the jackhammer-Decepticon that kidnapped Ron and Judy? -Derik 18:14, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

No, Starscream specifically calls him Rampage. (And he is Rampage.) --ItsWalky 18:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

Wasn't Devastator already formed by that point? -Derik 18:19, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

Sure, but there were lots of Constructicons running around the same time as Devastator was formed (the group from the barge turn up with Ravage partway through the fight). --abates 18:31, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

It just sounds like a likely name for his color-swap. (Which in this case, i guess... was forming Devastator.) -Derik 19:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

It's UpGrade Time

So, can we start working on this now or what? User:Eire 12.44 June 24 09

Yes. --ItsWalky 09:36, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

Foreign titles

Are foreign titles usually included if they just mean "Revenge of The Fallen" in their own language? - Starfield 11:37, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

They shouldn't be. --ItsWalky 11:45, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

The frensh versin is called "transformers: the revenge"(le révange?)--Sunjumper 11:47, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

That's different enough. --ItsWalky 11:48, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

The Brazilian title (Portuguese) renders as "The Revenge of the Defeated" when I put it through Google Translate. Is that different enough?--Apcog 12:35, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

Inasmuch as "defeated" doesn't have the same additional connotations of "falling from grace" or "killed in battle" as the original English, I'd say so.137.195.68.169 10:47, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

Trivia cull

One is long overdue in my opinion. Much of this "trivia" is snippets of news on who was cast, and has since been unequivocally confirmed and properly organized in the locations it should be.--Rosicrucian^Talk 21:33, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

Not-Bonecrusher

I'm assuming that the guy who wasn't Bonecrusher was actually Constructicon Scout. Is that a safe guess to go with? -Derik 11:46, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

I didn't see any Bonecrusher in the film. People just say they saw Bonecrusher's altmode, the Buffalo. No robot mode, far as I'm aware. --ItsWalky 11:48, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

I think he was running around during the Egypt battle. You could see him standing behind some pillars. Since there were multiple Constructicons running around, this was evidently was not the very-dead Bonecrusher.67.242.198.238 12:07, 26 June 2009 (EDT)