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==Who is the armada?== | ==Who is the armada?== | ||
[[Image:Armadadecepticon.jpg|thumb|Sticker from the 2007 'Masterpiece' Skywarp]] | |||
[[Image:Cyclonus skywarp wreckers1.jpg|thumb|left|Oy.]] | |||
The Armada's identity prior to re-creation somewhat fraught; there may be more than one of him/them, but it's also tied up in the question of [[Cyclonus (G1)#Who_is_Cyclonus.3F|who is Cyclonus?]]. | |||
Traditional [[fan-reasoning]] is that [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] were more prominent characters, and should have becomes [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)]]. ''Unfortunately'' every visual representation ever, spanning 20+ years, has shown Cyclonus to be created from [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]].<ref>Of course, the 2003 Australian movie DVD claims Bombshell became a [[Sweep]], but we don't think those character profiles were approved by Hasbro, fans tend to ignore them.</ref><ref>Of course, Bombshell was also at Starscream's subsequent coronation. Or maybe it was [[Salvo]]. Or maybe Cyclonus was Salvo. Of course, Skywarp was at the coronation too... ''*sigh* It's something of a mess.''</ref> | |||
The 2007 'Masterpriece' Skywarp toy includes a 'Armada Decepticon' sticker which seems to indicate Skywarp did indeed become the Armada. Of course, a 2003 DVD profile states unequivocally that Skywarp became Cyclonus.<ref>It also states Cyclonus and Scourge are 'Unicrons', just ignore it, we all do!</ref> In the [[Beast Era]], Cyclonus and Skywarp ere running around at the same time, so either Skywarp became an/the Armada, or there's some really nasty [[budding]] involved. | |||
This may all be moot; everyone but Megatron involved in Unicrons' re-creation appears to have been ''dead'', so neither Cyclonus nor his Armada should remember their previous existence any more than [[Hook, Line, and Sinker]] do. Several sources<ref>That same unreliable DVD release, Cyclonus [[Heroes of Cybertron]] PVC, much more reliably.</ref> actually state that Cyclonus was forged from the remains of ''several'' Decepticons. | |||
Headaches and confusion aside, the vast preponderance of sources agree that Skywarp became the Armada (or at least one of them.) | |||
==Fan wub== | ==Fan wub== | ||
Revision as of 06:29, 10 September 2007
| This article is about the nameless Transformer in TF:TM. For the franchise Armada, see Armada. |
Cyclonus's Armada refers to the one (or more) seemingly identical robots created by Unicron at the same time as Cyclonus in The Movie.
As Cyclonus's personal forces the Armada is/are the logical counterpart to the Sweeps. The script for the movie refers to them thusly:
- CYCLONUS is CREATED and then his "armada" of similar, but smaller and similarly colored and clad creatures are formed.
The actual number of robots in the 'Armada' are unknown. While Unicron had only six Decepticon to Transform[1] at least five Sweeps are seen at one point in this scene, and the inclusion of the Insecticons, with the ability to clone themselves, makes the actually numbering ambiguous.[2].
Opinions differ on the armada's actual 'existence.' Since Cyclonus' personal army was dropped in production, some argue its inclusion in the re-creation scene is little more than an error, and should be ignored. The term 'Armada' or 'Cyclonus's armada' can be used by fans to refer to the continuity-headache it represents (almost like a label) without implying anything about that fan's individual belief as to its existence/nonexistence.
The armada's fate
The Movie
IDW's 2006 Transformers: The Animated Movie comic, a faithful retelling of the 1986 movie, shows a jet identical to Cyclonus being destroyed by Grimlock's fire-breath. This is generally interpreted as the comic's "explanation" for the Armada's subsequent disappearance in the movie- it was destroyed in its first combat encounter.
Grimlock does indeed use his firebreath like this in the movie itself, but the target of his wrath was unambiguously Cyclonus himself with Galvatron inside. However while Cyclonus survived that encounter with little damage- his lookalike in the comic goes kersplodey with equal unambiguity.
Five Faces of Darkness
At least four jets of Cyclonus' design[3] take place in the final assault on Cybertron in Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5.
It has been suggested that Ultra Magnus's battle with Ramjet and Dirge (where the latter two are apparently destroyed) is 'actually' supposed to be a battle with the armada. And indeed, after this battle only two jets of Cyclonus's type are seen together. However, Dirge and Ramjet had speaking roles, and were in-character at the time. And were later seen to be alive.[4] And Dirge was implied to be dead.[5] *sigh* It's something of a mess.
Regardless, the general consensus is that Cyclonus's armada, whatever their numbers, no longer exist by the time Five Faces of Darkness ends and the 3rd season of the cartoon proper begins.
Proper name?
Reasoning that Armada might as well be a proper name since there's only one of him, many fans refer to Cyclonus's doppelgänger in the recreation scene by that name.
In the original movie script Unicron uses the same rote format to introduce both Scourge and Cyclonus, and the word 'armada' is used in the same place the descriptive 'huntsmen' is for the Sweeps;
| " | Scourge, | the tracker.... | and his huntsmen... | the Sweeps... | " |
| " | Cyclonus, | the warrior... | and his armada.... | " |
As envisioned int he original script, 'armada' is not a proper noun. However, the 2006 comic adaption (which added the destruction of a single Cyclonus-type Jet during Galvatron's raid on Autobot City) parsed things differently;
| " | SCOURGE, | THE TRACKER.... | ...AND HIS HUNTSMEN— | THE SWEEPS! | " |
| " | CYCLONUS— | THE WARRIOR... | ...AND HIS ARMADA! | " |
So while Armada was intended to be an improper noun, at least one source has treated it as a proper noun. Since that source (the 2006 comic) is the only one to explicitly address the 'problem' of the Armada one could argue it should have the final word. ...or not.
Who is the armada?
The Armada's identity prior to re-creation somewhat fraught; there may be more than one of him/them, but it's also tied up in the question of who is Cyclonus?.
Traditional fan-reasoning is that Thundercracker and Skywarp were more prominent characters, and should have becomes Scourge and Cyclonus (G1). Unfortunately every visual representation ever, spanning 20+ years, has shown Cyclonus to be created from Bombshell.[6][7]
The 2007 'Masterpriece' Skywarp toy includes a 'Armada Decepticon' sticker which seems to indicate Skywarp did indeed become the Armada. Of course, a 2003 DVD profile states unequivocally that Skywarp became Cyclonus.[8] In the Beast Era, Cyclonus and Skywarp ere running around at the same time, so either Skywarp became an/the Armada, or there's some really nasty budding involved.
This may all be moot; everyone but Megatron involved in Unicrons' re-creation appears to have been dead, so neither Cyclonus nor his Armada should remember their previous existence any more than Hook, Line, and Sinker do. Several sources[9] actually state that Cyclonus was forged from the remains of several Decepticons.
Headaches and confusion aside, the vast preponderance of sources agree that Skywarp became the Armada (or at least one of them.)
Fan wub
See also
Footnotes
- ↑ Six Decepticons; Megatron, Skywarp, Thundercracker, Kickback, Bombshell, and Shrapnel were ejected from Astrotrain
- ↑ Either more than the 6 Transformers seen were present (likely int he form of more Insecticon clones) or the Sweeps (and the Armada?) retained the Insecticons' cloning abilities. Or a wizard did it.
- ↑ Four jets are seen in a single shot on two separate occasions.
- ↑ Dirge played a prominent role in Ghost in the Machine.
- ↑ Octane bumps into what he seems to believe to be Dirge's funerary marker in the Decepticon Crypt in Starscream's Ghost, though he does not say his name.
- ↑ Of course, the 2003 Australian movie DVD claims Bombshell became a Sweep, but we don't think those character profiles were approved by Hasbro, fans tend to ignore them.
- ↑ Of course, Bombshell was also at Starscream's subsequent coronation. Or maybe it was Salvo. Or maybe Cyclonus was Salvo. Of course, Skywarp was at the coronation too... *sigh* It's something of a mess.
- ↑ It also states Cyclonus and Scourge are 'Unicrons', just ignore it, we all do!
- ↑ That same unreliable DVD release, Cyclonus Heroes of Cybertron PVC, much more reliably.
External links
- Original script for TF:TM
- Galvatron's re-creation scene — on YouTube
