Talk:Megatron (G1)

Split page?

So... time to split off Meggy's toy section as we did Optimus? --M Sipher 09:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely. I'd already twice considered bringing the issue up. --Rotty 09:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Argh

So, uh, how much of this article is copied from Wikipedia? I am going to cry. --ItsWalky 06:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

A general rule I use for detecting wikipedia-copied info is when the information is deadly serious or rather blandly generic, or merely not nerdly enough :D . --FFN 10:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and when there are little to no links to existing pages on this wiki. --FFN 10:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

So do we carve out the wikipedianess and start over on those parts, or what? I can only imagine G1 Prime is in the same shape... though I haven't looked. --Monzo 12:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

It will be alot of work to write up new parts for those pilfiered articles, but does our wiki intend to be the most informative, or the most fun? Also, long article sections (like stuff stolen from wikipedias) tend to be very boring to read. --FFN 14:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I shall leap in here and point out that the guts of the Wikipedia article (and Prime's, too) was written by me. It's evolved somewhat since then, and I don't remember EXACTLY how much of what was mine is here. I didn't copy it over, but I'm just sayin'. - Chris McFeely 15:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Uh, actually, looking back over this, only the Marvel Comics and animated series bits were really me... - Chris McFeely 15:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

On the changes - Iacon wasn't levelled in There Shall Come A Leader. It was destroyed by Trannis in The Middle Years. Megatron's intent to turn Cybertron into a warworld is referenced on page three of the first issue. And... where do we get that the war only lasted a hundred years before the Ark launch? This profile from the '86 annual says a thousand. --Monzo 04:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

"As you know, Megatron disappeared after a hundred or so years of war, and was presumed dead." --Xaaron, Legion of the Lost! I'll fix the Iacon thing, if it isn't already. --ItsWalky 05:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Masterpiece Megatron

The toy sections shouldn't read like reviews, man. Put that sort of thing on your blog, not on the wiki. --ItsWalky 12:54, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Alignment

Is alignment in-continuity ENOUGH to merit mention? (The e-hobby Magnus stuff seems to tell 'some version' of alignment's events, I'd consider it AS in-continuity as the Last Days of Optimus Prime, whichw as later mentioned.) -Derik 05:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I would say neither should be in there. Not endorsed by Hasbro and/or Takara? Not canon. - RolonBolon

I think they can be mentioned as long as they are stated as being pseudo-canonical. I certainly think that both of those stories deserve their own articles, for example. "Fanfic" written by Simon Furman is a little different than regular run of the mill fanfic. --Steve-o 20:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Alignment was mentioned in detail in the Ultimate Guide, so one could say it's retroactively canon. Not that I welcome it all that warmly, but... --ItsWalky 20:51, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Galvatron

In answer to Sipher's question he posed as a comment to his edit, no, I don't think Galvatron should be here. Whether they're the same character or not, Galvatron shows up plenty enough as his own character from the future (and tends to fight/team up/interact with Megatron) to warrant his own entry. Otherwise, a combined Megatron/Galvatron entry is just going to be way too long and confusing as hell. (And, yeah, I am factoring in that Galvatron II will prolly already get his own entry.) --ItsWalky 01:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Probably a good idea. While some characters (Smokescreen/Hoise, Bumblebee/Goldbug) get upgraded/renamed and basicalyl continue in a straight line, Galvatron time-jumps and even fights himself. In MANY continuities, Megatron doesnt' even BECOME Galvatron. -Derik 02:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Right. Galvatron's riding the fence between Hot Rod/Rodimus, Bumblebee/Goldbug and Dead Guy/Cyclonus, Waspinator/Thrust. Often enough he has no real connection to Megatron at all. And he's appeared enough to fight "himself" or on his own Galvatron-specific terms that it pushes it over the edge to Needs Own Page, in my opinion. --ItsWalky 02:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Super Megatron

http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/images~~othergallery~~concept~~generation~~manga-supermegatron.jpg.galleryimage254ba6a.php I wish this immage wasn't watermarked. X-BoB58 19:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Photoshop.

Anyway, it's blurry t'wards the bottom... is this from Gneerations 2? -207.224.83.190 03:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I have a perfectly good picture of Ultra Megatron. I just have nowhere to put it on his page. --Monzo 03:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Category: Convention exclusives?

Was there really a Megatron toy that was a convention exclusive? This isn't mentioned in the sections for any of the toys. --Andrusi 19:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes. The original Megatron reissue was redecoed into the black Microchange colors as a BotCon Japan '01 exclusive. --FortMax 21:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

According to this, Black Megatron was only available for preorder at BotCon 2000. He was released from eHobby the following year. --ItsWalky 21:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Uh... Not only was there no BotCon Japan 2001, there was no TF-released black Microchange Megatron. There WAS a "black" version gunmetal chrome and red interior bits (where the Microchange was solid black platics with blue interior bits), but it sure as hell wasn't a BCJ exclusive. Moderately sure that was e-hobby or maybe Toys Dream Project or some one-off. --M Sipher 21:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Choro Q G2 Megatron? I dunno. Interrobang 00:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Hm. That's more merchandise than anything else, but it IS a convention-exclusive piece. Could go either way. --M Sipher 01:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Alternators Megatron

Wasn't there meant to be a Cadillac Alternators Megatron in the pipeline? Well it's almost certainly been cancelled now, but it still warrants a tiny mention on this page. IMO.

Space pic

Couldn't fit this pic in anywhere, and I replaced it with a toy pic anyway. --FFN 04:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Titanium Megs

>The Titanium Megatron toy was inspired by Dreamwave's first G.I. Joe crossover set in World War II.

When was this established? Absent evidence ot the contrary, I assumed he belonged to Divided Front continuity. -Derik 01:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Megatron: Origin

I'm looking at the issue, and I can't see if it's been confirmed yet that Soundwave's employer is Senator Ratbat. It's likely, but seemingly not confirmed in this issue.--Rosicrucian 21:14, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Let's say it's extreamly likely, as it's just about as strongly implied by the narrative (and by narrative convention) as possible without someone going "Psst, hey kid..." from behind the curtain. I mean we have a clearly manipulative, selfserving Ratbat talking to his off-panel underling who speaks in Soundwave-style about technological advances and about manipulating Megatron, and then later you have Soundwave showing up and "manipulating" Megatron while talking about the offpannel Master who sent him. Pretty definative case narratively speaking. If it's somehow improbably wrong we can change it later (and I'll eat this wiki). ;) --ZacWilliam 07:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I agree that it's probably the case, just that since we're only citing issue 2 it's not quite covered.--Rosicrucian 14:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Lines

Steve-o removed all the "ugly lines" that were marking off various fictional super-sections for clarity. Sipher, I know you were working on a fix for this, which involved making the differences between the header sizes more obvious. Is this finished? Can we implement it please? --ItsWalky 18:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

In re-examining the previous version of the page now that I know Walky liked the lines and thought they clarified things, I still believe they were ugly and didn't really help to make the sections more distinct. --Steve-o 18:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Megatron/Majin Zarak

Explain to me again why we need to start up a big talkpage debate to overrule the fanboy ramblings of a single user?--Rosicrucian^Talk 03:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

That depends, which fanboy user are you referring to? I count three involved at this point. -Derik 03:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, didn't see you'd joined in. Mostly saw PPrime going off on another of his rants.--Rosicrucian^Talk 03:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Fusion cannon

i've been looking around, and the original box art calls megatrons weapon a "particle beam" cannon. TFU copies the box bio except it calls it a fusion cannon. I know tfwiki calls it a fusion cannon, but where does that name come from? i cant find it, and am begining to wonder if its accurate 14:40, 2 July 2009 (EDT)Name Violation 14:40, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

...Fusion cannon. —Interrobang 14:44, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

––hmm i see thx Name Violation 14:50, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

Japanese information

Why's the page missing all the Japanese-exclusive info? Battlestars, etc. Did it get its own page somewhere? And if so, why isn't there a link to that here? Even the old Wikia page has that stuff. --Buttbutt 04:12, 18 January 2010 (EST)

Top of the page, "G1 cartoon". The page was starting to get too big, so the Japanese stuff, which is part of the cartoon continuity, was placed on a sub page. Geewunling 04:17, 18 January 2010 (EST)

Thank you, that explains it; I searched the page for the word "Japan" and found nothing. --Buttbutt 14:42, 18 January 2010 (EST)

Just a note

I don't have the resources yet, but the section on IDW comics is severely out of date; last new entry was on AHM #6. That should be updated by now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Warpspeed Hellscream (talk • contribs).

Well, it is AHM... I can hardly hold others responsible for lacking either the desire, or the thought, to go and fill out fiction sections related to it. Megatron especially... because nothing he does makes any sense, especially in the book's second half. --Detour 02:59, 10 February 2010 (EST)

Length

Am I the only one who thinks it's time to split off more stuff? Because, seriously, 101kb is massive. ---Blackout- 12:21, 19 November 2010 (EST)

Yeah, time for Marvel to spin off. You want a real head hurt? Optimus Prime (G1)/toys is almost 109kb. And his merchandise has already been split. --Khajidha 12:36, 19 November 2010 (EST)

I think IDW could stand to be split off. It's 22,000+ characters (Marvel is 27,000+) and will constantly grow as long as IDW has the license. —Interrobang 13:19, 19 November 2010 (EST)

Perhaps we could split off both? ---Blackout- 03:51, 20 November 2010 (EST)

Splitting both now would save us having to split one off later. I would support such a move. --Khajidha 11:33, 20 November 2010 (EST)

My thoughts on the "glorious" Megatron

kept my silence when Megatron announced he wanted to rifle, pillage, plunder, and loot. I did nothing when he tried to destroy all tradition, all morality, and the entire democratic system. But his latest fibs are the straw that breaks the camel's back. If you disagree with my claim that he is the grand master of obfuscation and misdirection, then read no further. His dream is to assume total control over society's means of production. Those with membership cards in Megatron's Praetorian Guard will be given whatever they want while the rest of us will be sent away empty-handed. In addition to being entirely unfair, such policies promote suppressing our freedom. Furthermore, it is immature and stupid of him to perpetuate what we all know is a corrupt system. It would be mature and intelligent, however, to focus on what unites rather than divides us, and that's why I say that he is definitely up to something. I don't know exactly what, but Megatron sometimes uses the word "anthropomorphologically" when describing his sentiments. Beware! This is a buzzword designed for emotional response.

When I was a child my clergyman told me, "Megatron has become Death, the destroyer of worlds." If you think about it you'll see his point. He has conceived the project of reigning over opinions and of conquering neither kingdoms nor provinces but the human mind. If this project succeeds then what I call fastidious, obstinate provincials will be free to inculcate the hermeneutics of suspicion in otherwise open-minded people. Even worse, it will be illegal for anyone to say anything about how Megatron gets a lot of perks from the system. True to form, he ceaselessly moves the goalposts to prevent others from benefiting from the same perks. This suggests that Megatron has already begun separating people from their roots and cutting their bonds to their natural communities. I wish I were joking, but I'm not. What's more, Megatron says that he is a martyr for freedom and a victim of militarism. That's a stupid thing to say. It's like saying that anyone who resists him deserves to be crushed.

Although it's easy to sit in the press box and criticize, I've tried explaining to Megatron's confreres that Megatron should stop lying about how genocide, slavery, racism, and the systematic oppression, degradation, and exploitation of most of the world's people are all utterly justified. Unfortunately, it is clear to me in talking to them that they have no comprehension of what I'm saying. I might as well be talking to creatures from Mars. In fact, I'd bet Martians would be more likely to discern that Megatron's maudlin preoccupation with Dadaism, usually sicklied over with such nonsense words as "internationalization", would make sense if a person's honor were determined strictly by his or her ability to give lunatics control of the asylum. As that's not the case, we can conclude only that I can say one thing about Megatron. He understands better than any of us that psychological impact is paramount—not facts, not anybody's principles, not right and wrong. I'm not suggesting that we behave likewise. I'm suggesting only that the world is full of people who trivialize certain events that are particularly special to us all. We don't need any more people like that. What we need are people who are willing to restore the traditions that Megatron has abandoned. We need people who understand that if we let Megatron evade responsibility, all we'll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm devoid of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the highest creations of civilization.

The really interesting thing about all this is not that Megatron really dropped a clanger by admitting that he serves as a conduit that carries the élan vital of diabolism. The interesting thing is that if we don't establish a supportive—rather than an intimidating—atmosphere for offering public comment right now, then Megatron's analects will soon start to metastasize until they lower scholastic standards. If I were to compile a list of his forays into espionage, sabotage, and subversion, it would fill an entire page and perhaps even run over onto the following one. Such a list would surely make every sane person who has passed the age of six realize that we are at a crossroads. One road leads into the light of a bright, shining future in which prissy champions of deceit, lies, theft, plunder, and rapine like Megatron are thoroughly absent. The other road leads into the darkness of revanchism. The question, therefore, is: Who's driving the bus? While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I do know that Megatron somehow manages to maintain a straight face when saying that elected national governments are not accountable to their own people. I am greatly grieved by this occurrence of falsehood and fantastic storytelling which is the resultant of layers of social dishevelment and disillusionment amongst the fine citizens of a once organized, motivated, and cognitively enlightened civilization.

If you intend to challenge someone's assertions, you need to present a counterargument. Megatron provides none. He proclaims at every opportunity that he'd never make the pot of antinomianism overboil and scald the whole world. The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks. Whenever Megatron is presented with the statement that he is a hypocrite who preaches morality and virtue while simultaneously encouraging every sort of indiscipline and degeneracy in the name of freedom, he spews out the hackneyed excuse that bad things "just happen" (i.e., they're not caused by Megatron himself). Ironically, such screwball logic is likely to convince even more people that Megatron used to maintain that space aliens are out to lay eggs in our innards or ooze their alien hell-slime all over us. When he realized that no one was falling for that claptrap, he changed his tune to say that his opinions represent the opinions of the majority—or even a plurality. Megatron is doubtlessly a mumpish liar, and shame on anyone who believes him.

Given what we know about Megatron's infernal practices, I'd say that his recent use of antipluralism to deny citizens the ability to draw their own conclusions about the potential for violence that he may be generating is about par for the course. Other than that, Megatron is unable to deal with a world populated by human beings. By somewhat the same token, although I admit it's not an exact parallel, his long-term goals are merely a stalking horse. They mask Megatron's secret intention to manipulate everything and everybody. I recently informed him that his minions persecute the innocent and let the guilty go unpunished. Megatron said he'd "look further into the matter." Well, not too much further. After all, he says that his enemies are aligned with very dark and malevolent fourth-dimensional aliens known as Draconians. Hey, Megatron, how about telling us the truth for once?

Megatron's few successes exhibit no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity. The best example of this, culled from many, would have to be the time Megatron tried to diminish society's inducements to good behavior. A lot of people may end up getting hurt before the final spasm of his rage is played out. In the presence of high heaven and before the civilized world I therefore assert that I don't know which are worse, right-wing tyrants or left-wing tyrants. But I do know that it may not be easy to point out that the emperor has no clothes on, but it can be done. And it needs to be done. And we must always remember that Megatron really shouldn't generate an epidemic of corruption and social unrest. That's just common sense. Of course, the people who appreciate his reinterpretations of historic events are those who eagerly root up common sense, prominently hold it out, and decry it as poison with astonishing alacrity.

What's scary is that support for Megatron's unambitious hariolations is spreading like a prairie fire among the most juvenile drug lords you'll ever see. I don't know why that is, but I do know that every time Megatron gets caught trying to promote the total destruction of individuality in favor of an all-powerful group, he promises he'll never do so again. Subsequently, his habitués always jump in and explain that he really shouldn't be blamed even if he does because, as they suspect, he has a duty to conceal the facts and lie to the rest of us, under oath if necessary, perjuring himself to help disseminate the True Faith of blackguardism. And, more important, by his standards, if you have morals, believe that character counts, and actually raise your own children—let alone teach them to be morally fit—you're definitely an untoward marauder. My standards—and I suspect yours as well—are quite different from Megatron's. For instance, I clearly assert that so far, the response from his camp has been tardy and equivocal. Whatever weight we accord to that fact, we may be confident that one can only speculate how much worse things would be if he were to formulate social policies and action programs based on the most ignominious types of nonrepresentationalism in existence. (Actually, his expedients are simply the result of vested interests striking back at a group whose actions in support of religious freedom, social reform, and government accountability have cut through those vested interests, but that's not important now.)

Megatron yields to the mammalian desire to assert individuality by attracting attention. Unfortunately, for Megatron, "attracting attention" usually implies "gumming up what were once great ideas". At this point in the letter I had planned to tell you that except for a few bright spots, his taradiddles are completely sex-crazed. However, one of my colleagues pointed out that all of Megatron's insults are paralogistic. Hence, I discarded the discourse I had previously prepared and substituted the following discussion in which I argue that he focuses on feelings rather than facts. Sure, Megatron attempts to twist and distort facts to justify his feelings, but that just goes to show that if you looked up "nasty" in the dictionary, you'd probably see his picture.

I promise you, again and again and again, that I will never deprive people of dignity and autonomy. Megatron, on the other hand, is so eager to do exactly that that he's already begun repeating the mistakes of the past. The reason I'm distinguishing my actions from his here is that when you tell Megatron's agents provocateurs that Megatron's schemes are a farraginous amalgam of emotionalism and barbarism, they begin to get fidgety and their eyes begin to wander. They really don't care. They have no interest in hearing that I don't know if he is consciously and purposely evil or merely churlish. I do know, however, that Megatron's chargés d'affaires form a loopy organization devoted to harassment and barratry. Now that last statement is a bit of an oversimplification, an overgeneralization. But it is nevertheless substantially true. I, hardheaded cynic that I am, would like to go on, but I do have to keep this letter short. So I'll wrap it up by saying that Megatron is not above the law.