Talk:Megatron (G1)

Split page?

So... time to split off Meggy's toy section as we did Optimus? --M Sipher 09:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely. I'd already twice considered bringing the issue up. --Rotty 09:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Argh

So, uh, how much of this article is copied from Wikipedia? I am going to cry. --ItsWalky 06:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

A general rule I use for detecting wikipedia-copied info is when the information is deadly serious or rather blandly generic, or merely not nerdly enough :D . --FFN 10:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and when there are little to no links to existing pages on this wiki. --FFN 10:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

So do we carve out the wikipedianess and start over on those parts, or what? I can only imagine G1 Prime is in the same shape... though I haven't looked. --Monzo 12:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

It will be alot of work to write up new parts for those pilfiered articles, but does our wiki intend to be the most informative, or the most fun? Also, long article sections (like stuff stolen from wikipedias) tend to be very boring to read. --FFN 14:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I shall leap in here and point out that the guts of the Wikipedia article (and Prime's, too) was written by me. It's evolved somewhat since then, and I don't remember EXACTLY how much of what was mine is here. I didn't copy it over, but I'm just sayin'. - Chris McFeely 15:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Uh, actually, looking back over this, only the Marvel Comics and animated series bits were really me... - Chris McFeely 15:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

On the changes - Iacon wasn't levelled in There Shall Come A Leader. It was destroyed by Trannis in The Middle Years. Megatron's intent to turn Cybertron into a warworld is referenced on page three of the first issue. And... where do we get that the war only lasted a hundred years before the Ark launch? This profile from the '86 annual says a thousand. --Monzo 04:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

"As you know, Megatron disappeared after a hundred or so years of war, and was presumed dead." --Xaaron, Legion of the Lost! I'll fix the Iacon thing, if it isn't already. --ItsWalky 05:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Masterpiece Megatron

The toy sections shouldn't read like reviews, man. Put that sort of thing on your blog, not on the wiki. --ItsWalky 12:54, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Alignment

Is alignment in-continuity ENOUGH to merit mention? (The e-hobby Magnus stuff seems to tell 'some version' of alignment's events, I'd consider it AS in-continuity as the Last Days of Optimus Prime, whichw as later mentioned.) -Derik 05:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I would say neither should be in there. Not endorsed by Hasbro and/or Takara? Not canon. - RolonBolon

I think they can be mentioned as long as they are stated as being pseudo-canonical. I certainly think that both of those stories deserve their own articles, for example. "Fanfic" written by Simon Furman is a little different than regular run of the mill fanfic. --Steve-o 20:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Alignment was mentioned in detail in the Ultimate Guide, so one could say it's retroactively canon. Not that I welcome it all that warmly, but... --ItsWalky 20:51, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Galvatron

In answer to Sipher's question he posed as a comment to his edit, no, I don't think Galvatron should be here. Whether they're the same character or not, Galvatron shows up plenty enough as his own character from the future (and tends to fight/team up/interact with Megatron) to warrant his own entry. Otherwise, a combined Megatron/Galvatron entry is just going to be way too long and confusing as hell. (And, yeah, I am factoring in that Galvatron II will prolly already get his own entry.) --ItsWalky 01:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Probably a good idea. While some characters (Smokescreen/Hoise, Bumblebee/Goldbug) get upgraded/renamed and basicalyl continue in a straight line, Galvatron time-jumps and even fights himself. In MANY continuities, Megatron doesnt' even BECOME Galvatron. -Derik 02:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Right. Galvatron's riding the fence between Hot Rod/Rodimus, Bumblebee/Goldbug and Dead Guy/Cyclonus, Waspinator/Thrust. Often enough he has no real connection to Megatron at all. And he's appeared enough to fight "himself" or on his own Galvatron-specific terms that it pushes it over the edge to Needs Own Page, in my opinion. --ItsWalky 02:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Super Megatron

http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/images~~othergallery~~concept~~generation~~manga-supermegatron.jpg.galleryimage254ba6a.php I wish this immage wasn't watermarked. X-BoB58 19:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Photoshop.

Anyway, it's blurry t'wards the bottom... is this from Gneerations 2? -207.224.83.190 03:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I have a perfectly good picture of Ultra Megatron. I just have nowhere to put it on his page. --Monzo 03:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Category: Convention exclusives?

Was there really a Megatron toy that was a convention exclusive? This isn't mentioned in the sections for any of the toys. --Andrusi 19:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes. The original Megatron reissue was redecoed into the black Microchange colors as a BotCon Japan '01 exclusive. --FortMax 21:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

According to this, Black Megatron was only available for preorder at BotCon 2000. He was released from eHobby the following year. --ItsWalky 21:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Uh... Not only was there no BotCon Japan 2001, there was no TF-released black Microchange Megatron. There WAS a "black" version gunmetal chrome and red interior bits (where the Microchange was solid black platics with blue interior bits), but it sure as hell wasn't a BCJ exclusive. Moderately sure that was e-hobby or maybe Toys Dream Project or some one-off. --M Sipher 21:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Choro Q G2 Megatron? I dunno. Interrobang 00:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Hm. That's more merchandise than anything else, but it IS a convention-exclusive piece. Could go either way. --M Sipher 01:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Alternators Megatron

Wasn't there meant to be a Cadillac Alternators Megatron in the pipeline? Well it's almost certainly been cancelled now, but it still warrants a tiny mention on this page. IMO.

Space pic

Couldn't fit this pic in anywhere, and I replaced it with a toy pic anyway. --FFN 04:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Titanium Megs

>The Titanium Megatron toy was inspired by Dreamwave's first G.I. Joe crossover set in World War II.

When was this established? Absent evidence ot the contrary, I assumed he belonged to Divided Front continuity. -Derik 01:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Megatron: Origin

I'm looking at the issue, and I can't see if it's been confirmed yet that Soundwave's employer is Senator Ratbat. It's likely, but seemingly not confirmed in this issue.--Rosicrucian 21:14, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Let's say it's extreamly likely, as it's just about as strongly implied by the narrative (and by narrative convention) as possible without someone going "Psst, hey kid..." from behind the curtain. I mean we have a clearly manipulative, selfserving Ratbat talking to his off-panel underling who speaks in Soundwave-style about technological advances and about manipulating Megatron, and then later you have Soundwave showing up and "manipulating" Megatron while talking about the offpannel Master who sent him. Pretty definative case narratively speaking. If it's somehow improbably wrong we can change it later (and I'll eat this wiki). ;) --ZacWilliam 07:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I agree that it's probably the case, just that since we're only citing issue 2 it's not quite covered.--Rosicrucian 14:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Lines

Steve-o removed all the "ugly lines" that were marking off various fictional super-sections for clarity. Sipher, I know you were working on a fix for this, which involved making the differences between the header sizes more obvious. Is this finished? Can we implement it please? --ItsWalky 18:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

In re-examining the previous version of the page now that I know Walky liked the lines and thought they clarified things, I still believe they were ugly and didn't really help to make the sections more distinct. --Steve-o 18:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Megatron/Majin Zarak

Explain to me again why we need to start up a big talkpage debate to overrule the fanboy ramblings of a single user?--Rosicrucian^Talk 03:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

That depends, which fanboy user are you referring to? I count three involved at this point. -Derik 03:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, didn't see you'd joined in. Mostly saw PPrime going off on another of his rants.--Rosicrucian^Talk 03:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Fusion cannon

i've been looking around, and the original box art calls megatrons weapon a "particle beam" cannon. TFU copies the box bio except it calls it a fusion cannon. I know tfwiki calls it a fusion cannon, but where does that name come from? i cant find it, and am begining to wonder if its accurate 14:40, 2 July 2009 (EDT)Name Violation 14:40, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

...Fusion cannon. —Interrobang 14:44, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

––hmm i see thx Name Violation 14:50, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

Japanese information

Why's the page missing all the Japanese-exclusive info? Battlestars, etc. Did it get its own page somewhere? And if so, why isn't there a link to that here? Even the old Wikia page has that stuff. --Buttbutt 04:12, 18 January 2010 (EST)

Top of the page, "G1 cartoon". The page was starting to get too big, so the Japanese stuff, which is part of the cartoon continuity, was placed on a sub page. Geewunling 04:17, 18 January 2010 (EST)

Thank you, that explains it; I searched the page for the word "Japan" and found nothing. --Buttbutt 14:42, 18 January 2010 (EST)

Just a note

I don't have the resources yet, but the section on IDW comics is severely out of date; last new entry was on AHM #6. That should be updated by now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Warpspeed Hellscream (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

Well, it is AHM... I can hardly hold others responsible for lacking either the desire, or the thought, to go and fill out fiction sections related to it. Megatron especially... because nothing he does makes any sense, especially in the book's second half. --Detour 02:59, 10 February 2010 (EST)

Length

Am I the only one who thinks it's time to split off more stuff? Because, seriously, 101kb is massive. ---Blackout- 12:21, 19 November 2010 (EST)

Yeah, time for Marvel to spin off. You want a real head hurt? Optimus Prime (G1)/toys is almost 109kb. And his merchandise has already been split. --Khajidha 12:36, 19 November 2010 (EST)

I think IDW could stand to be split off. It's 22,000+ characters (Marvel is 27,000+) and will constantly grow as long as IDW has the license. —Interrobang 13:19, 19 November 2010 (EST)

Perhaps we could split off both? ---Blackout- 03:51, 20 November 2010 (EST)

Splitting both now would save us having to split one off later. I would support such a move. --Khajidha 11:33, 20 November 2010 (EST)

The summary that was left behind for IDW badly needs to be rewritten. I tried to do the best I could, but I'm sure I missed some or made a mistake somewhere. Please review this.KrytenKoro 19:05, 13 December 2012 (EST)

Calvin Johnson note

He got the nickname back in 2007. I'm betting he is named after movie Megatron. Move that note to there? His Decepticon hat appears to be the movieverse insignia, for what it's worth.

Speaking of which, Nike had a limited line of officially licensed Calvin Johnson Transformer gear. The insignia page needs an update! - Starfield 19:13, 23 February 2013 (EST)

Notes on Megatron's gun mode reversed

http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Megatron_(G1)&diff=1234380&oldid=1233525

I had expanded on an already-present section of this page regarding why Megatron would use a gun as his alternate mode. It's a question as old as "Where does Prime's trailer go?" and without trying to toot my horn I do think my edit added to the article overall. Perhaps the text I inserted could've been truncated some but ultimately I provided three answers from various sources that most fans have probably never come across. I'm not a well-established user here but I don't think the reversed edit by Saix helped the article. I think the reversion fails to benefit the article and the readers.

I reverted it because it went into pointless minutiae that was overwhelming the notes section. (A coloring book? Really?) The unneeded images didn't help. Saix (talk) 14:10, 9 January 2018 (EST)

I have a different perspective and will agree to disagree. I don't think the additions were pointless as already explained above. And being snarky doesn't really address that, all do respect; neither does using "really" as a rhetorical punchline. It's an official and thus canon product only half as ridiculous to source as some of the things you'll find referenced on here. I'll take your point that each bullet probably didn't need an image accompanying it, though at least the DK Ultimate scan should stay. The coloring book is easily accessed through links on its own page here, but the Ultimate Guide has interesting content casual fans won't happen upon. But keep at least one of the three. We can agree to disagree but my position still stands that fans can learn something interesting about the character's motivations and functionality by leaving and/or truncating the bullets I added. --Iustitia (talk) 16:10, 9 January 2018 (EST)

This article is too long

At least the games section should be seperated. Same with G1 OP.--Primestar3 (talk) 16:18, 15 May 2021 (EDT)

Gator Migration

As similarly mentioned On Optimus's page, we've ended up with G1 Megatron's Beast Wars bodies in both the toy and gallery tabs but the relevant microcontinuity where they actually represent him entirely localized to Beast Megatron's page. Now the solution we ended up workshopping on the Discord was porting the info over here and leaving mainlinks to it on the purple guy's page or vice versa. Thoughts? -AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 20:02, 14 July 2021 (EDT)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: fiction here, link from the other page. It just makes sense. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 20:08, 14 July 2021 (EDT)

Just like with Optimus, I support a migration. MrRald (talk) 15:37, 19 July 2021 (EDT)

I know I already agreed on Discord, but just for the wiki's record: I am for the migration. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 15:55, 19 July 2021 (EDT)