Talk:Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

Do you have a quote of Sentinel being specifically mentioned in the comic? I don't remember anything past the uni scene. While the original thirteen were killed by the Fallen in the comic and novel, there's nothing to confirm Sentinel wasn't a descendant like Optimus. Again, correct me if I'm wrongUser:Eire 20.14 Oct 12 09 (UTC)

"See, if you break down the elemental components of energon and assume a constant decay rate then extrapolate for each of the fourteen galactic convergences it took Sentinel Prime's expedition to get an echo you end up with a formula for inter-dimensional energy that mass and light alone can't possibly explain." - Starfield 17:28, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Erm ok, thanks for the quote Starfield, anyway, Jetfire explained in the adaptations that The Fallen returned to Cybertron, after the battle with the first generation for Earth, slaughtering all the Primes except for the child hidden from him (Optimus). Unless Sentinel is revealed to be alive in TF3, which is unlikely considering this was not mentioned in the final edit of ROTF, then he probably died because of The Fallen. Alientraveller 17:57, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Starfield, I actually wanted the answer Alientraveller gave. I'm well aware of Sentinel's existence in the movieverse, but I just couldn't remember a reference in issue 3 User:Eire

"the fourteen galactic convergences it took the Sentinel Prime expedition to"

"The", and no possessive.

Look, I think it's the leader of the 7/12/13 too... but the phrasing in the movie itself (which I just checked on, er... Youtube) isn't clear-cut enough to even say for certain that Sentinel Prime is an individual-- let alone that he's one of the 12! The phrasing is just... ambiguous, and the timeline is a godawful mess thanks to ROTF's 17,000 years retcon, and questions of whether the 13 in the movie are the 13 or not. (They're not. I mean... the movie fucking cut them down to 7. But until something official comes through to make it certain... it's just a collosal brain-ache that makes logical inference almost impossible.)

Now... I thought that something... (a book or video game?) mentioned movieverse Sentinel Prime in a clearer light, but if so... it was around the time we were swamped with new stuff, and the ref never got documented. Does this sound familiar to anyone else?

I have checked the following sources, and they do not mention Sentinel Prime in a helpful manner:

• ROTF novelization (quote same as movie, with an added bit at the end. Nothing from Jetfire's history lesson or the Infinite White.)
• The Movie Universe guidebook. No mention of Sentinel Prime by name

-Derik 23:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

The first time I heard Sentinel mentioned was in the movie. And the Sentinel Prime expedition. You'd be forgiven for presuming, and really there's no reason not too, it was named after the Prime in charge. And given the massively different origin of the Primes in the movie compared to the adaptations, it seems again logical that he's simple a predecessor of Optimus, not one of the original Primes. There is some assumptions being made, however they are logical assumptions. IF you're concerned, throw in a note at the bottom. Personally, I think it's a bit of an assumption that Sentinel in the comics is one of the original Primes, but I can see why AT put it the way he did User:Eire 13.35 Oct 13 09 (UTC)

Fannon

I'm really uncomfortable witht he ammoutn of assumptions and made-up shit on this page. The cited blog post does establish Sentinel Prime to be a character-- but it doesn't in any way say he's Prime and Megatron's father, or that he's one of the original 12. And the storylink citing his death... Sentinel Prime's name isn't even MENTIONED in that issue! -Derik 12:37, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

I'm just going to risk my life here and say "Is this Shattered Glass Derik speaking?" ---Blackout- 12:51, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

Move to (DOTM)?

Should we move this to "Sentinel Prime (DOTM)"? We moved "Soundwave (Movie)" to Soundwave (ROTF), ignoring when he was mentioned by Starscream in the UK magazine for the first film. Alientraveller 15:03, 11 February 2011 (EST)

An offhand mention in the freaking UK mag letters page is not exactly the same thing as Sentinel's existence being firmly established in the Revenge of the Fallen film. --Detour 15:18, 11 February 2011 (EST)

The Lord Of All Cheeses thirds the motion.

- ¡Usa El Queso! 10:25 PM, 15 February 2011 A.D.

Thirds what motion? We have one person on each side so far. -- Semysane 01:42, 16 February 2011 (EST)

I'm saying this page ought to be moved. Alientraveler proposed the idea. Detour seems to be saying this guy shouldn't be in ROTF (unless I misinterpreted; he seems to say "a mention in a UK comic's letters page doesn't count as Sentinel's existence in ROTF"). My vote makes a three.

- ¡Usa El Queso! 9:48 PM, February 2011 A.D.

Detour is pointing out that Sentinel Prime is mentioned in the Revenge of the Fallen film, which counts as establishing SP's existence, so ROTF is correct. --abates 21:59, 17 February 2011 (EST)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/Response%20Images/748411.gif -- Semysane 04:59, 18 February 2011 (EST)

Sam mentions Sentinel Prime during his meltdown in the classroom in Revenge of the Fallen, thus establishing Sentinel Prime exists as a character. As the first mention of Sentinel Prime is in Revenge of the Fallen, his article is as "Sentinel Prime (ROTF)". Clearer? :) --abates 05:13, 18 February 2011 (EST)

Oh, I got it. I just never get enough chances to use that image. -- Semysane 05:33, 18 February 2011 (EST)

Sentinel~Vector?

Is it my imagination, or does Sentinel Prime bear a striking resemblence to Vector Prime?--Cydra 01:48, 13 February 2011 (EST)

Definitely your imagination. Karhukjnsi 05:49, 18 February 2011 (EST)

I see the resemblance mostly in those enormous shoulders. Beyond that, not really much of a resemblance. --Kaymac192 11:35, 3 March 2011 (EST)

Indeed. He more resembles RID Prime. 96.247.85.33 00:16, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

Sentinel Prime in Empire magazine.

How should we mention these images? --Kaymac192 11:42, 3 March 2011 (EST)

Caption

Live-action Hyper Goldfish? WTF is that?--TOM 13:51, 6 March 2011 (EST)

The Japanese version of Optimus Prime (RID) had a voice chip that sounded to some people as if it were saying "Hyper Goldfish Golfball". The Leader class Sentinel Prime looks something like the RID Prime, and is from a live action movie. Thus, Live-action Hyper Goldfish. I would recommend a crosslink in the caption, but some people hate those with an unreasoning passion. --Khajidha 14:00, 6 March 2011 (EST)

Alpha Trion caption

How does it not work anymore?--Primo 13:15, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

Personally, I don't see why it ever worked in the first place. --81.164.209.246 13:24, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

It never did, no. It was never an Alpha Trion homage redeco. It was just heavily-airbrushed enough to look purpleish. --ItsWalky 13:25, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

I think that was the joke (such as it was) that there's "already" an Alpha Trion redeco due to the purple nature of the image, which, at the time, was the only stock photo of that toy. Anyway, I replaced the photo because the colours were pretty damn wrong. --FFN 13:35, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

Two different Speed Stars Bumbebee two packs

Hey, why are there two slightly different Bumblebee Speed Stars two packs. Item 29596 and item 29588? The package art is even slightly different. Both should be listed, right? - Starfield 14:41, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

Three sayings on the Leader toy?

Er... there must be something I'm doing wrong, then.--Rosicrucian^Talk 02:05, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

You have to put a MechTach weapon in his shoulder peg hole to hear them.--Primo 16:12, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

Just tried it out and it's apparently true. Still, I'm pretty sure the article should mention that little feature and how to enable it... 58.69.69.194 21:43, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

Minor design flaw?

On mine, it looks like the left heel pieces don't seem to line up correctly, and as such don't snap together right. Is anyone else having this issue? -King Starscream 11:07, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

We need to make this a featured.

Any way we could come together and finish his fiction sections and whatnot? I think it's important this page is our featured this coming month, like The Fallen was for the last movie. I'm pretty okay with just promoting it anyway once July starts, even if there's some stuff left out. It just needs a spotlight. --ItsWalky 02:05, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

Spoilers on Sentinel.

Okay, I haven't seen the movie yet, but I have seen spoilers, and there is one question I have that could seriously spoil for anyone, so be warned: Should we consider Sentinel a Decepticon? -- SFH 15:58, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

No. --ItsWalky 16:01, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

My memory may be fuzzy, but doesn't he call himself a Decepticon once they take over Chicago? Or does he keep calling himself an Autobot?KrytenKoro 17:13, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

Sentinel makes a point of slapping Megatron around when he tries talking like they're all a happy family, so...no.ShinRa Actual 18:05, 30 June 2011 (EDT)