Talk:Drift (G1)

Sorry, about not putting the spoiler warning, i'm new to this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.71.179.87 (talk • contribs) 23:52, 8 April 2009.

Weabo?

What happened to the awesome weabo fancharacter header we had for this guy? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dead Metal (talk • contribs).

There was a big desnarking a while back. Probably got removed back then. --Detour 03:01, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

Oh man, that was the best part of the entire article.:(Dead Metal 07:42, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

Can someone quote it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.24.148.159 (talk • contribs).

This is the earliest coherent version of the page in the available page history. You can also check his page on the other wiki, along with its own revision history.--Apcog 20:03, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

Why was the note about the similarities to the Magscinder toy removed? Khajidha 22:53, 13 February 2010 (EST)

Because "X is similar to Y" is pointless bloat? —Interrobang 23:33, 13 February 2010 (EST)

Sword squiggles

Hi.

In the preview gallery at Seibertron, one of the pics seems to offer a somewhat better look at what the symbols on the toy's larger sword are meant to be. Can anyone tell if they are kanji - akin to that on the side doors - or are they perhaps some sort of Cybertronian glyphs (i.e. not meant to mean anything in particular)? --Nerroth 01:47, 14 March 2010 (EST)

The first character is 下. I can't read the other two due to glare. —Interrobang 03:04, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Actually, the first two characters are 天下 tenka for "descent from heaven", "the world", or "under heaven", from here at the IDW boards. But yeah, still can't see the last two. --Lonegamer78 03:52, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Oh god, I think that might actually say 天下無双 or 天下無比.... Oh god... --Detour 04:13, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

*squints closer* Yanno? That might actually say 天下無双 (tenka musō). And it WOULD make sense. Heh. I might not be surprised if the other side of the sword said 天下無比 (tenka muhi)... XD --Lonegamer78 04:18, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

*bangs head on wall repeatedly* --Detour 04:20, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Well, Tenka Muhi would be overkill, since both mean the same thing of "peerless under heaven". :D --Lonegamer78 04:24, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

My dictionnary just translates both as "peerless, unmatched", but yeah. Epic wallbangery. The hell, Hasbro? --Detour 04:32, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

But, "peerless under heaven" is so much more poetic! :3 --Lonegamer78 16:13, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Ah. Unlike Detour, I haven't paid any attention to the toy, so I didn't know there was another character cut off. —Interrobang 07:29, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Well I had paid attention to the toy but certainly not enough to even notice the characters until Nerroth pointed them out. I just went looking through an online dictionary after you guys started posting the kanji you recognized. --Detour 12:31, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Thanks for the help. (It's still possible that the sword's inscription is referring to itself, not its owner - or that it used to belong to someone else, before Drift started using it. Or something.)

EDIT: Should a note about the translation wait until someone gets a closer look at the toy, then? --Nerroth 13:42, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Eh, I rather wait till the toy's release to fully confirm it, since Detour *pats back* and I are going on hunches. Like the boards, "pics or it didn't happen". :) --Lonegamer78 16:13, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Yeah, wait and see. It might end up saying something different after all. --Detour 17:32, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

There's a (slightly) clearer pic of Drift's sword here. --Nerroth 16:51, 22 April 2010 (EDT)

Yup. That's 天下無双! Now can we put it in? :D --Lonegamer78 20:47, 22 April 2010 (EDT)

As long as we go with the modern translation and not the ancient poetic translation. --Detour 20:52, 22 April 2010 (EDT)

It's not ancient! _{Well, just a bit literal...} I like it poetic! Or would you prefer "idiomatic"? :3 --Lonegamer78 21:06, 22 April 2010 (EDT)

We should go with whatever makes the most sense for the character. Since Drift himself is poetic, I say the more idiomatic approach makes the most sense.--Jimsorenson 21:08, 22 April 2010 (EDT)

So, any consensus on whether to go with "peerless" or "peerless under heaven"? --Lonegamer78 19:40, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

I vote poetic, as I'm sure that was the original intention, and also because of what Jim said. --abates 20:16, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

I dunno. When has Drift ever really been poetic? Are his smirks poetic? --Detour 20:52, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

Well, I'm just thinking that if we use it as I'm sure the creators intended, people can draw their own conclusions regarding whether they think it's over the top or just in keeping with the theme of the character (or both or neither). --abates 22:26, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

But the problem with playing it straight as the creator intended does not show how he fails at properly doing it, which embellishes the character and the creator rather than "let people draw their own conclusions". --Detour 22:57, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

Is this just a translation issue on how best to express the Japanese idiom to English speakers? Or could the phrase actually mean different things in Japanese? (I'm not quite following the conversation.) - Starfield 23:39, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

It's a question of idiom vs common usage. For comparison's sake, in today's world Yamamoto is basically just a Japanese surname, but going back all the way down its etymological roots, it meant "the base of the mountain". "Peerless" vs "Peerless under heaven" is essentially the same situation. --Detour 00:54, 14 May 2010 (EDT)

A new side-on shot of the sword, among other pics. --Nerroth 20:25, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

New Drift/Deadlock pics

These were posted over at the IDW boards recently. Would they, or at least the one with what looks like Deadlock in it, be of any use here? --Nerroth 13:42, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Not right now, no, but when we get to fill out more about Deadlock, probably. --Detour 13:50, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Fair enough. --Nerroth 14:01, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Well, Walky managed to find a way to make it all fit. Nice. (also, caption made me snortle) --Detour 14:46, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

It is very convenient of him, I guess! --Nerroth 15:09, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Disputed car model

The Nissan GT-R looks a LOT closer to Drift's altmode than either of the ones proposed in the toy entry. -- dvandom, August 7, 2010

Oshite mairu!

Just wanted to say to whoever added the Hakumen quote for the pic showing the TakaraTomy version of Drift: thank you! (Quite an apt reference, too.) --Nerroth 01:32, 21 October 2010 (EDT)

Deadlock ~ Dead End?

Did anyone notice that "Deadlock", Drift's 'Con name is the Russian Translation of Dead End (G1)? --Rustyscraplet 18:20, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I am 100% certain that is a coincidence. --ItsWalky 12:26, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

Considering how Тупик actually means "Dead End", no. —Interrobang 13:14, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

Thanks for the correcting! --Rustyscraplet 12:30, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Main Picture

Could we change the main picture, it looks like he's really short ot something?SoundWave 18:53, 6 October 2013 (EDT)

No, he's crouching. The pictures stays. Escargon 18:55, 6 October 2013 (EDT)

Tropes

...you know, it feels weird to say this but when we're at the point where we're just rattling off TVTropes links I think we've gone a bit far on overanalyzing Drift. That's starting to read less like a notes section and more like wankery. --Rosicrucian^Talk 17:08, 19 January 2014 (EST)

I agree. --Detour (talk) 17:36, 19 January 2014 (EST)

Suicide joke

I misunderstood the stuff about the mocking of his over-the-top japanese-y character from before James Roberts got his hands on the character, and I apologise for my overzealousness there, but I still think that suicide joke ("[Fandom|We] drove him to this...") was in poor taste. Sky Shadow (talk) 18:02, 11 August 2014 (EDT)

If we removed every caption on this wiki that made fun of someone's death, well...that's a lot of captions. The joke is intended to reference the fact that Drift was treated pretty brutally by a not-inconsiderable amount of the online fandom upon his debut and not so much to make light of suicide (which isn't even really Drift's immediate intent in that scene). I don't think it is in any more poor taste than any other caption on this wiki that treats someone's death as a joke, but I'd leave it for a mod to decide. --Nu-Priest (talk) 18:16, 11 August 2014 (EDT)

While you wrote this, I came up with an alternative that's more in line with the rest of this article; what's your thoughts? In any case, I'd say the major difference that makes this less tasteful is that the death you're making fun of in this article is self-inflicted (something which people struggle with a lot), whilst other deaths are at the hands of others (something which is more in line with the brutal, warmongering style of the franchise). Sky Shadow (talk) 18:18, 11 August 2014 (EDT)

In all honesty, and I'm being diplomatic here, I'd rather there be no caption at all than something that lacks bite. --Nu-Priest (talk) 19:24, 11 August 2014 (EDT)

The Drift caption, the Mega caption, the Overlord caption. No offense Sky Shadow, but are you just going from page to page to complain about all the image captions?Riddlerj (talk) 20:10, 11 August 2014 (EDT)

I've contributed to the wiki plenty, but my contributions tend to be sporadic. If you check my history, my last bout was about Windblade #4. It's just that I have a particular motive today because some friends pointed out stuff I wasn't comfortable with- some which I had the power to change and some which I didn't. Sky Shadow (talk) 20:31, 11 August 2014 (EDT)

Your friends sound like a barrel of laughs. --Emvee (talk) 02:28, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

Well. Honestly, I don't mind us not making light of suicide. Especially given recent events. Antimatter (talk) 03:58, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

There's room for debate on what jokes are okay but we shouldn't start jumping all over captions because they might not be the most sensitive. I fell down the steps the other day. Clean up the Skywarp page. I find the word "prick" offensive, better clean the Prowl page. Neither of those are true, of course, but it's the kind of silliness we could be heading for if we're too sensitive to every joke someone else makes.Riddlerj (talk) 09:07, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

Except people laughing at you falling down the steps generally doesn't lead to death. People saying "haha, what a schmuck for being suicidal and depressed at how we mocked them" very often does.

Free speech is super great, but if there's a chance that real physical harm can result from what you're saying, you better have a damn good reason to be saying it.KrytenKoro (talk) 09:28, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

If that's the case, we need to scrub this wiki of anything that could upset people, all the comments, jokes, even mention of anything involving someone getting hurt or killed, which I think would be pretty difficult. No one is yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, and making it seem like someone's comment is actually driving people to suicide or some kind of trauma is unjustified. If users are feeling that way from a Transformers site, they need to get off the computer and get help. That is not a fair responsibility to put on everyone else who may want to add to the wiki.Riddlerj (talk) 09:54, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

Agree with Riddlerj here. The standard is not "a chance that real physical harm can result from what you're saying", but "a reasonable chance that real physical harm can result from what you're saying". It is not reasonable to expect that a joke about suicide will lead to suicide. --Khajidha (talk) 10:54, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

Okay, just to clarify again: the offensive bit is not that it's talking about suicide at all, it's the implication that it's a humorous or deserved thing to feel suicidal when people are making fun of you. If someone who is already depressed and possibly suicidal sees this, which seems to be saying "you're a moron for letting that get to you" (which is a thought that suicidal people already often feel and which contributes to their depression), it's not helpful. This is not "we can't mention suicide anywhere on the off chance that someone might remember the concept of suicide and have PTSD", it's "we really shouldn't be mocking people for contemplating suicide (esp. due to bullying), when that exact self-hatred is a major component of depression's self-fulfilling downward spiral".

In other words: there is a reasonable chance that mocking someone for committing suicide could lead to suicide or at least contribute to the surrounding depression. If you don't think there is, it's likely you haven't dealt with severe depression or suicidal ideation, so dang! You're pretty lucky.KrytenKoro (talk) 18:28, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

KytenKoro's basically said what I wanted to say but what I was not very good at describing myself. Sky Shadow (talk) 18:33, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

It seems like the joke's intent was to mock the level of hate Drift received, and by extension the vitriolic-ness of the fandom, rather than trying to glorify/make light of suicide. Grum (talk) 19:06, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

Like I said. I'm not against having a discussion about a joke, but you seemed to have gone on a trip through pages pointing out comments to pull (at least three I saw, plus another you mentioned yourself) You're saying these jokes are problematic. Someone else might find another joke problematic. And unless we really want to start discriminating whose feelings are worthy and whose aren't, we really should watch against knee jerk reactions to a joke we simply don't like. It's just not fair to wiki contributors. Riddlerj (talk)

SNL reference

The ridiculous cheeriness of Drift, his expression, along with his complete tone-deafness and the fact that he is broadcasting to an audience is what made me use that quote. That's my justification. I uploaded that pic and wrote a chunk of that summary. So unless a mod decides to axe it, I'm leaving it be. --Nu-Priest (talk) 18:51, 12 August 2014 (EDT)