Talk:Unicron Trilogy continuity family

Okay Derik, what's wrong with the "animated continuity" description? --KilMichaelMcC 11:12, 4 June 2007 (UTC) Oh, and I see that in addition to the strike through of the description, you've added an unhelpful, confusing info box. Further explanation of this is required. --KilMichaelMcC 11:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Am I wrong? It was my understanding that Armada Cartoon > Energon Cartoon > Cybertron cartoon... didn't happen.

It was really Armada Comic > Energon Comic > Cybertron cartoon. Thus the term 'animated continuity' is extremely wrong. -Derik 14:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Rumor and speculation. There is a section on this in the Cybertron (cartoon) article. So perhaps some version of that text should be here, or at least a link to it. I personally think the idea that Cybertron isn't in-continuity with the previous two cartoons is absurd. At any rate, your chart is decidedly non-helpful. "Actas Duology"? You expect readers to see that and not go "Bwuh?" --KilMichaelMcC 14:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

What the hell, Derik? --ItsWalky 15:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

What the fuck is an Actas Duology? -hx 16:25, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

...how is this rumor and speculation? The Fun Pub comics explicitly establish that the Cybertron in Cybertron (heh) is the one OverRun downloaded himself into after Starscream killed him in the Energon comic. Does this not mean the Cybertron cartoon follows the Dreamwave Energon comic? -Derik 18:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

It also establishes that the Unicron Singularity was caused by Primus trapping Uni's spark in an Energon sun. Guess where that happened! --KilMichaelMcC 18:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

In the empty open chunk of continuity left by the cancellation of the Energon comic? -Derik 19:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Um, well, I suppose anything could have happened in there. Of course, Primus trapping Unicron's spark inside a newly created sun actually did happen in the last episode of the cartoon. --KilMichaelMcC 19:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Unless the Fun Pub comic actually said "And then our two continuities merged to create this ass-baby," why are you assuming that the Cybertron with OverRun on it ISN'T the comic? Doesn't it make enormously more sense to say "Gee, it's the DW Energon continuity, explicitly! I guess the same event took place at the end in order to line up with the first ep of Cybertron!"

The end of the Armada cartoon and Armada comic both featured Optimus Prime spontaneously recoloring himself and a huge fleet battle against Unicron wherein he is flung out to the far reaches of the galaxy with the Decepticon leader still inside him- creating lasting peace. Why assume the end of the Energon comic would be less parallel?

Am I crazy for asking this? Am I missing something? Because it seems like the Fun Pub comic went out of its way to place the Cybertron cartoon into the void at the end of the Dreamwave comic. Why is everyone looking at me like I farted for saying this? -Derik 19:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the fart in this analogy is not the argument you are making, but rather the ridiculous edit you made to the page. You do have a point in that the Fun Pub comic makes things less clear-cut than the article's current text implies. It could use a helping of the stuff whats on the Cybertron (cartoon) page, as I said above. (BTW, I thought the FP comic gave the Mini-Cons their cartoon-specific Unicronian origin? I have not read it myself, but I'm sure I saw that in some summary somewheres.) --KilMichaelMcC 19:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

That coulda been done better, true. -Derik 21:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention that it specifically takes the time to justify why the Transformers in the Cybertron cartoon don't remember things from the previous two season right. - Chris McFeely 18:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

They'd need to have forgotten the Armada and Energon comics too. (Is there a less circular argument hidden here somewhere? "They didnt' remember what came before- therefore they forgot the cartoon continuity.") -Derik 19:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

This all seems hauntingly familiar... --KilMichaelMcC 18:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't care what beef you have, Derik. It's no justification to throw strike-throughs through the page's text and make up nonsensical descriptors that nobody else understands. This wiki shouldn't be a minefield of codewords. --ItsWalky 19:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Granted- thus putting a comment-flag in the article to call for others immediate input reversion. -Derik 19:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Then stop complaining that nobody takes your comments seriously. Why should you trash the page and then get to complain when we don't meet you more than halfway? I refuse to dignify this sort of behavior. --ItsWalky 21:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

That's fair. It seemed like a much better idea at the time than it proved to be in hindsight. -Derik 22:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Just wanted to point this out, on the Talk:Downshift (Energon) page, Walky says this: "According to Forest Lee, the club comic (and the Cybertron animated series itself) has been said to occur in both the DW comics continuity and the animated continuity." --KilMichaelMcC 20:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

So basically... it's a series that sprang out of the Transformers Multiverse concept of distinct continuities, it uses that concept, heavily, it explicitly deals witht hat concept, and makes it clear that the characters involved are from certain distinct continuities (BM-3H-toon and DW Energon)... but for some reason in defiance of all that, this story takes place on a smushy "oh, it's both worlds at once, tee-hee, now let's talk about my period and eat bon-bons!" ...despite the fact the aforementioned multiverse doesn't work that way.

Oh, and also the story itself doesn't say this at any point.

I hereby put forward an argument against authorial intent. If Forest Lee wanted the story to do occour in some contrary-to-internal-logic fashion, he should damn well have written it into the story instead of trying to make crazy, possibly drunken assertions after-the-fact. -Derik 21:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Derik, what are you ranting about now? I really don't think any of us wanted to hear about your period! --Rotty 00:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

If the goddamn 1986 animated movie can happen in both the cartoon timestream and the UK comics timestream... --M Sipher 00:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

The 1986 movie didn't happen in the UK comics. The 1986 movie comic adaption dis, which moved the whole thign a year, and inserted all sorts of weird things like Galvatron deciding he was going to time travel right after speaking the words "Decepticons- to earth!"

The movie was cartoon continuity. A very similar set of events happened in the comic- but they happened tt the comic characters. The Springer in the the UK version of Unicron's coming had been a former Wrecker. The one in TF:TM, by virtue of the wreckers not existing in the 'toon, was not. -Derik 01:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

If the events in TFTM can happen in two distinct universes, it's not a far cry for the events of the A-E cartoon to take place in another univerce in which the events from the A-E Comics. --FortMax 03:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Right, that's what I was saying- another copy/verion/parallel of the same events. Not the 'same event.' (Which is what Sipher was saying.) -Derik 03:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

so uh when does beast wars happen you guys? i herd it wuz after the cartoon but my friend says there's a comic it comes after? -hx 10:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey! How come I got the feeling something in UT is missing? Oh who put the words Thanks for putting me together on Unfinished? (Spearhead 04:11, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

David Willis Quote and its explanation

After reading the quote about the UT and then the explanation below agreeing with it, I was thinking that it all just sounded...Terrible and out of place. I know the UT had its set of errrors and problems, but to put a biased statement like that and flat out agree with it is just messed up. Alot of people actually liked the UT and didn't think it was stupid OR a waste of time. Even Energon has people who still like it despite everything. Isn't there someone around with brains enough to put up a quote that's not biased but still applicable, and /or put a decent description. I know the wiki has frequent use of sarcasm and such, but that David willis thing was just over the line.--BlackStarscream 02:27, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

sexism element

Isn't it really an American thing? I'd never really found it to be out of place back when first watching the show because it seemed to follow historical precedent and just a common thing in English. The transformers ARE treated as soldiers and for most of human history armies were composed of men. If you've ever read any history books they would always say "This many men went into the battle" or something. Needless to say virtually all charachters in Armada are male (aside from humans), Energon just has Arcee(aside from humans) and Cybertron just has Override and Thunderblast. While now there's a stronger prevelance of political correctness I think that that element of the dub is actually the result of the way the people have spoken English up until now. Of course this is all concerning one measly line but I still wanted to put that thought there--75.85.116.198 18:36, 28 June 2012 (EDT)

Now I'm kind of wondering who the hell put that there. Takeshi357 (talk) 20:57, 25 January 2016 (EST)