Talk:Bumblebee (film)

Lawsuit?

So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [1] Energizer (talk) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)

Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [2] Energizer (talk) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

To Scream or not to Scream

Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)

Nope. --Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. YourBestPal (talk) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

It's not uncommon for movie characters to not be who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. Ikkad (talk) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Only one decepticon has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. Puppetroblox (talk) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! YourBestPal (talk) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. YourBestPal (talk) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.King Kid (talk) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)

Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - TBR (talk) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. FigureGunplaFan (talk) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - TBR (talk) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

/* Timeline and Continuity */

This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--Crosshairs (talk) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Stop. --M Sipher (talk) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

toyline?

Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline? YourBestPal (talk) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) Puppetroblox (talk) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

The toyline will be absorbed into Studio Series. --notirishman (talk) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

Is this really a reboot?

I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up. Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth. So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? Puppetroblox (talk) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. --notirishman (talk) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

bumblebee design

Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? YourBestPal (talk) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

female Decepticon

A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?

We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

new characters confirmed

The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. Puppetroblox (talk) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

Source? FigureGunplaFan (talk) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --abates (talk) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. Memeuser17 (talk) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters?

Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --abates (talk) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)

Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. --notirishman (talk) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)

The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - TBR (talk) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

To Scream or not to Scream Part 2

This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing too (for some reason) than sure. --notirishman (talk) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? --notirishman (talk) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? --notirishman (talk) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. Escargon (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

Fine. --notirishman (talk) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! --notirishman (talk) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

Mr. Bee caption

I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. Escargon (talk) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.

Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -Foffy (talk) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. Escargon (talk) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" Energizer (talk) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

Officialy Confirmed Characters

Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?Memeuser17 (talk) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)

I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --abates (talk) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)

Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)

If the "featurette" is the video linked here Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK, there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --Khajidha (talk) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)

Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)

EDIT: Yeah, that. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

The novel

Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.Memeuser17 (talk) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)

Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

The Hoover Dam in the Trailer.

This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some. I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW. Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades. So the movie takes place in 1988 right? If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period. The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's. I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be). So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --Melissa (talk) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)

I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)

I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. Melissa (talk) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)

I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --Melissa (talk) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

thundercracker

I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? YourBestPal (talk) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)

Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--Khajidha (talk) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

Open editing please?

When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... Autoboty (talk) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)

"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - TBR (talk) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)

For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. Escargon (talk) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)

The article is unlocked now. --abates (talk) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

New universe

Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RoboWarriorPrime (talk • contribs).

Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie here. --notirishman (talk) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

Next movie

It will be about Grimlock. --Random67 (talk) 06:21, 23 December 2018 (EST)

Source or didn’t happen Indridcold13 (talk) 13:06, 23 December 2018 (EST)

Caption theme for this film?

So what is it this time around? --notirishman (talk) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)

It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change Indridcold13 (talk) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)

Bee Movie. There can be only one. - TBR (talk) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)

Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue! --notirishman (talk) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)

I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - TBR (talk) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)

Sector Seven's "first contact"

The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

Shockblaster's Hideout (talk) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)

Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen (G1) Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - TBR (talk) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first actual contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --Guntrip (talk) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)

If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. Alientraveller (talk) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

Bumblebee's potential design change

Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings", leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. RazorSlash (talk) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)