Talk:Bumblebee (film)

NOT CALLING IT A REBOOT. WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MOVIE.

Lawsuit?

So Hasbro just filed a Lawsuit with DC Comics for the Bumblebee Name. [1] Energizer (talk) 04:45, 30 August 2017 (EDT)

Ah no wait, it's over. DC & Hasbro are cool. [2] Energizer (talk) 19:22, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

To Scream or not to Scream

Should Starscream be in the cast list here, when we've not actually had any official announcement/confirmation that the character in the trailer is him? --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 12:58, 8 June 2018 (EDT)

Nope. --Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:11, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Aw, come on! Its quite obviously supposed to be starscream, the head design is a slightly more g1-ifies version of michael bay starscream. The colors of the jet (what can be seen of it) are starscream colors, red air intakes, white nose area, and even a orange cockpit. It is highly unlikely this starscream homage isnt him, its clearly a more g1-ified version of michael bay starscream. YourBestPal (talk) 13:13, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

It's not uncommon for movie characters to not be who you think they are. Until Starscream is officially confirmed, we gotta play it safe. Ikkad (talk) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Only one decepticon has been confirmed for the movie. Starscream has not been confirmed yet. Puppetroblox (talk) 19:34, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Get rekt, it’s confirmed as screamer now! YourBestPal (talk) 08:24, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

The rudeness is hardly necessary. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 08:51, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

Sorry, I meant it in a friendlier manner. YourBestPal (talk) 13:53, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The reason they had to make an official announcement was because you people kept speculating that it wasn't Starscream when it blattantly was. It's a soft reboot. He doesn't have to turn into a Dorito F-22 to be the same character. This has been common knowledge for months.King Kid (talk) 12:03, 28 June 2018 (EDT)

Well I for one have always enjoyed crow when topped with a little (Whataburger) ketchup. - TBR (talk) 21:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

This just in: That Scream is now Blitzwing. FigureGunplaFan (talk) 07:48, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

...that just in literally a month ago hence my last comment above. - TBR (talk) 20:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

/* Timeline and Continuity */

This movie is a reboot because if not they should find the way to explain how Bumblebee fought in the WW2, because this movie is supposedly to be the first time Bumblebee came to Earth--Crosshairs (talk) 22:42, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Stop. --M Sipher (talk) 23:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Can somebody edit in the fact that this is now officially a reboot since Hasbro has now officially confirmed it? DrXshock (talk) 17:51, 17 February 2019 (EST) 22:50, 17 February 2019 (GMT)

toyline?

Is there a toyline? I know the movie has a while to release, but we knew about titans return about a year before release. Why do t we know about this toyline? YourBestPal (talk) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

There might be. I have seen pictures showing a prototype of a volkswagen beetle Bumblebee ( redeco from TLK new bumblebee ) Puppetroblox (talk) 20:29, 10 June 2018 (EDT

The toyline will be absorbed into Studio Series. --notirishman (talk) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

Is this really a reboot?

I have heard that the reboot is cancelled, but the past events in the movies just don't match up. Bumblebee went to earth with Hot Rod and fought in world war 2 (ww2) there. Instead the movie shows bumblebee's first time on earth. So is this a start to the reboot or just a confusing event in the Bayformers Movies? Puppetroblox (talk) 20:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

Dude, it really doesn't matter right now, the movie isn't out yet. --notirishman (talk) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

bumblebee design

Is it me, or does bumblebee kinda look like the cancelled alternators g1 bumblebee? If anyone else picks up on this, should we put it in the (currently nonexistent) trivia area that his design is possibly an homage to said toy? YourBestPal (talk) 13:55, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

female Decepticon

A youtuber, AndySupreme99, claims that he saw the trailer at Cinemacon. He says that there is a female Decepticon. Have any of you seen the trailer he mentioned?

We obviously know now that this was referring to Shatter, but for the record, we need a better source than "This YouTuber says..." next time. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 01:19, 22 July 2018 (EDT)

new characters confirmed

The director has confirmed that Cliffjumper, Soundwave and Shockwave will be on Cybertron. Puppetroblox (talk) 06:53, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

Source? FigureGunplaFan (talk) 07:47, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

When I googled, I found a bunch of excited fan videos pointing back to a wordpress blog which mentioned Travis Knight in terms of his appearance at San Diego Comic Con, and then launched into a bunch of other details that were not obviously sourced to anything Knight said. I don't think we should be inclined to add them based on that. --abates (talk) 21:33, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

Now we all know that it is true because of the second trailer, but we should get an official source first next time instead of info from a fan made video. Memeuser17 (talk) 13:38, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

Can we not add pages for background randos who may or may not be characters?

Have people already forgotten when everyone though Blitzwing was actually Starscream? We shouldn't be saying Acid Storm is in the film, when there's the possibility that the green dude might well turn out to be a completely new character. --abates (talk) 22:38, 24 September 2018 (EDT)

Sorry, I should've probably just waited or not do it at all instead of telling people to delete if they didn't like it. But I didn't think it would be taken to this extent where pages were being made. Once again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. --notirishman (talk) 23:09, 24 September 2018 (EDT)

The first rule of wikis is that if there is a red link, *somebody* is gonna fill it. - TBR (talk) 01:29, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

To Scream or not to Scream Part 2

This fits better here than on Bltizwing's article's talk page, where I'd posted it first:

We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing too (for some reason) than sure. --notirishman (talk) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

We cannot positively ID that guy as Starscream at this point, certainly not based on a sentence that contains at least one clear error. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 17:37, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

Blitzwing being in his Generation One style form can just be the error, and that's it. And besides, if Starscream wasnt in the actual movie, wouldn't you think they would've scrubbed his name by now? --notirishman (talk) 17:49, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

A version of G1 Blitzwing does not appear in the trailer, and that mistaken impression by the author has not been corrected. That mistake renders the sentence unreliable. The author thinks that one Seeker on Cybertron is Starscream, and maybe it is, but we've been down the "this Seeker-looking dude is clearly Starscream" road once already, and we know how that turned out. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 17:58, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

One incorrect part of a sentence doesn't cancel out the whole sentence. It is true that Shockwave and other characters appear in their G1 style bodies. Let's get at a compromise. If the movie comes out and that Seeker in the background isn't Starscream, then, we remove it. But for now we keep it so we can remember. Dealio? --notirishman (talk) 18:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

No. What? No. When the movie comes out this'll all be moot. We're talking about what our articles are presenting to readers right now as confirmed facts about an upcoming release. And actually, yes, that one error does make the whole sentence unreliable, as it auggests that it's just the author's impression of the trailer and not info from an actual production source. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 19:13, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

Yeah, let's just delete the Starscream stuff for now and see what happens. Escargon (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

Fine. --notirishman (talk) 20:17, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

Welp, looks like the new, short featurette made this guy look EVEN more like Starscream. By the way, I have "Starscream" hidden along with the other background bots; if the movie comes out, and it turns out this isn't Blitzwing or anyone else, then we can probably un-hide him, along with everyone else. Guess we'll find out soon! --notirishman (talk) 17:48, 5 December 2018 (EST)

Mr. Bee caption

I really don't care for it, but the context of that caption is that it's from the Bee Movie during the trial scene with Barry Vs. The Human Race. Escargon (talk) 11:03, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

I know what it's from, I just think it's gross.

Also Sipher removed it once already, and he's an admin, so. -Foffy (talk) 11:15, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

Yeah, I totally agree. Just figured I might add some context. Escargon (talk) 13:07, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

Good news, its been taken care of in the form of the famous "You like Jazz?" Energizer (talk) 18:29, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

Officialy Confirmed Characters

Recently characters like Arcee,Cliffjumper, Ratchet and Starscream were confirmed in an official featurette. Should we add them?Memeuser17 (talk) 13:17, 27 November 2018 (EST)

I feel like at this point we can afford to wait three weeks for the film to actually come out before adding tons of characters to the cast list. We've previously had shots of characters in trailers/preview material which have not been in the finished film. --abates (talk) 15:28, 27 November 2018 (EST)

Besides, just because someone looks like a character doesn't mean they actually are. Remember "Starscream"? -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 15:30, 27 November 2018 (EST)

If the "featurette" is the video linked here Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK, there is nothing in that video that confirms those characters. --Khajidha (talk) 15:46, 27 November 2018 (EST)

Seems to be referencing this TFW2005 article about that featurette http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/27/transformers-bumblebee-designing-g1-featurette-jointhebuzz-377449 Which includes some blurry screenshots with background characters circled. Which is not confirmation of who these characters are, especially since you can barely see them. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 15:57, 27 November 2018 (EST)

EDIT: Yeah, that. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 15:58, 27 November 2018 (EST)

The novel

Warning: Spoilers!

The movie novel confirms that there is one more human character named Sheriff Lock who chases Bee and the humans in a tunnel before Bee damages his cop car by jumping on the hood. We should add him because this is from an official source.Memeuser17 (talk) 11:00, 29 November 2018 (EST)

Characters in novelizations don't always show up in the movie itself. There's no rush; we can wait a few weeks. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 11:02, 29 November 2018 (EST)

The Hoover Dam in the Trailer.

This may be useless information, but it could also be of some interest to some. I was born in Las Vegas and have lived here for most of my life.....I was born in the 70's BTW. Anyways as a kid (and even now) I loved going to the Hoover Dam, so I know a bit about it's appearance throughout the years and decades. So the movie takes place in 1988 right? If that is the case the way the Dam looked in the trailer (I believe it was in the second trailer) is not correct for the time period. The parking structure and new visitors center that can be seen on the west (Nevada) side the Dam in the trailer was built (added) in the mid 90's. I did try to find some sample pics from the 80's online, but could not find any that were stamped for that time period. But I do have two post cards from my personal collection that I did get around that time, that shows how the Hoover Dam would appear in 1988. (I can send pics of them if need be). So like I said this is not really important info about the movie, but I thought it should at least be said and addressed, you know for the whole "real world" "continuity" section or something. --Melissa (talk) 04:55, 3 December 2018 (EST)

I would suggest waiting until after the film is released before adding any real-world comparisons like that, so as to make sure it accurately reflects the final version. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 08:11, 3 December 2018 (EST)

I agree and that does makes sense, because they may change it, or perhaps the scene takes place at some other time period in the film, when I do see the movie I will let you know if it still is an issue. Melissa (talk) 01:35, 5 December 2018 (EST)

I just wanted to give a follow up to this subject that I began in the first place. I finally saw the movie, which was awesome BTW, and it seems that the shot of the Dam that was used in the trailer was NOT used in the final film, and the shot that was seemed to be done in such a way to not show any of those structures that I mentioned as being built after the 80's. So I have to say they (the director and editor) did a pretty decent job. --Melissa (talk) 03:04, 4 January 2019 (EST)

thundercracker

I’m not sure if it’s just a generic or not, but there’s a seeker colored suspiciously like thundercracker. Does anyone else think it’s thundercracker or is it just me? YourBestPal (talk) 16:35, 14 December 2018 (EST)

Dude, just wait a WEEK and you can find out for sure. Geez, what is this obsession people have with playing "wow, that blur in the background looks kind of like random character number 382. If I squint."?--Khajidha (talk) 20:24, 14 December 2018 (EST)

Open editing please?

When will regular users be able to edit this? The movie's already out... Autoboty (talk) 05:18, 21 December 2018 (EST)

"expires 21:17, 21 December 2018 (UTC)". It's only 6:30 am on the East Coast. Not many have had a chance to see it yet... - TBR (talk) 06:26, 21 December 2018 (EST)

For Christ's sake, would it kill people to just wait a few days and then add information? This does not need to be immediately added; in fact, it's better that it's not, because it gives you time to write up a concise summary. Just...chill. Escargon (talk) 10:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)

The article is unlocked now. --abates (talk) 22:03, 21 December 2018 (EST)

New universe

Since the new film is clearly settled in a new continuity, should we move the new informations of the characters in a separate section in their own pages or create totally new pages ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RoboWarriorPrime (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

Same page, we would only make a new page if it's a new continuity family. There is also a discussion on how to tackle the Bee movie here. --notirishman (talk) 10:26, 22 December 2018 (EST)

Caption theme for this film?

So what is it this time around? --notirishman (talk) 00:33, 27 December 2018 (EST)

It has been Bee Movie so far, don’t know if it’s going to change Indridcold13 (talk) 00:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)

Bee Movie. There can be only one. - TBR (talk) 03:01, 27 December 2018 (EST)

Hey, I've never seen the Bee Movie. I had no clue! --notirishman (talk) 10:46, 27 December 2018 (EST)

I hear it made a real buzz at the box office! - TBR (talk) 21:04, 27 December 2018 (EST)

I will kill you. --Metalstar (talk) 12:05, 28 January 2019 (EST)

Sector Seven's "first contact"

The Sector Seven unit seen in the film calls the entire Bumblebee/Blitzwing fight, and later the meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact", which seems to imply that this is the first time that Sector Seven has seen Cybertronians. But as we know, at that point in time, Megatron and the Allspark are very clearly in possession of S7. Currently, this is stated to be a continuity error... But is there a chance that the Unit involved under Burns doesn't know of the entire story behind Megatron? Remember, in TF1, Banachek, said that the entire footage acquired from Transformers was deemed "beyond Top Secret." Using real-life Top Secrecy protocols, it isn't hard to imagine that even S7 wouldn't tell their field teams what was going on in their secret base, either A. because they simply don't have to know, or B. in case of interrogation, the soldiers can't tell anything useful.

The same can be said of allowing Shatter and Dropkick inside Hoover Dam: the field team could know the HQ, but wouldn't know the entirety of the story. And of course, the files that Shatter/Dropkick search through could be doctored, with some sensitive information removed or placed behind bars, allowing access but keeping some of the files a secrecy. Traces of Cybertronian-originated tech inside the files could simply be replaced with the cover-up stories S7 has used before, possibly even to the field teams.

Just a theory based on real-life protocols, and some careful speculation.

Shockblaster's Hideout (talk) 07:34, 27 December 2018 (EST)

Given they cut a scene they filmed showing frozen (G1) Megatron, they may or may not have Megs and the Allspark in the *Bumblebee* continuity. - TBR (talk) 21:05, 27 December 2018 (EST)

Admittedly it's been a while since I watched the 2007 film, but Megs was (a) found frozen (and offline?) and (b) kept frozen (and offline?), right? So they can still have him in the freezer and consider this first contact, because it was the first actual contact, with the words and the talking. Like many things with continuity between these movies, I think it can work if you squint. A lot. --Guntrip (talk) 05:54, 28 December 2018 (EST)

If I were Sector 7, I would not consider Megatron's body to be first contact. And as Travis Knight made clear in interviews, Megatron does not cameo in this film because he is meant to be frozen at the Hoover Dam when the film is set. Alientraveller (talk) 12:39, 28 December 2018 (EST)

Bumblebee's potential design change

Wasn't 100% sure if this was noteworthy enough to add, so I figured I'd bring it up here first. The more complex toys, namely the Studio Series and Masterpiece figures, depict Bumblebee as having the traditional "car wings"- this is an element that is present in some promotional material as well, specifically with Entenmann's products showing Bee with his "wings", leading me to believe it was a minor design change late into the game and not the result of general kibble. In the final film, as far as I can recall, his doors are just folded onto his back to give him a cleaner look. RazorSlash (talk) 20:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)

Cliffjumper's cameo

So I could just start a revert war, because 'NO' isn't a real persuasive argument, but I'll do this instead, 'cause I think I got a solid case.

In the last 20+ years of Transformers lore, Cliffjumper is famous for one thing and one thing only: showing up as a named, headlining character in a flagship TV show, only to be captured, interrogated and brutally murdered within minutes of his debut. This is by far the most distinctive and memorable thing the mythos-arc character of Cliffjumper has done. You gotta go back 35 years to him calling people traitor to find something similarly definitive.

Now for the movie scene on whatever moon it was, the writers could have chosen literally any character. They coulda put Huffer or Gears or Cosmos or Windcharger or Blurr or Outback or a generic or anybody in that scene, but no. When they needed a character to be captured, interrogated, act defiant and get shockingly killed, they went to the one character whose defining trait is that he was captured, interrogated, acted defiant and got shockingly killed.

If that seems like a reach, the bigger reach is saying that they just landed on that character totally by coincidence; that out of 18 '84 Autobots and dozens of subsequent ones available, they just. so. happened. to pick that one, without being aware of his recent history. I don't buy that.

Now if we've heard from the scriptwriters or whoever added that character in there that, whoa, hey, wow, we had no idea that was a thing!, then that's different; but y'all gotta show me the money. -- Repowers (talk) 12:46, 7 January 2019 (EST)

Conversely, the interrogation scenes are different enough (Prime Cliffjumper gets his spark crushed, BB Cliffjumper is bisected) that I'd need to see it from the the scriptwriters that it was intentional. And being honest, I'm willing to be the reason why Cliffjumper was chosen to die was because he's about 95% the same model as Bumblebee's Cybertronian form, and thus was easy to do instead of some other all new guy.

All in all, sometimes a similar scene is just a similar scene. Escargon (talk) 13:42, 7 January 2019 (EST)

I also call bull on the notion that Cliffjumper's "defining trait" is "get shockingly killed". On top of that, it further strains credibility of the claim to have just this one singular non-G1 non-movie reference out of aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the past-TF references in the movie, especially when, as noted, it involves a recycled model for a scene that would almost certainly predate the reshoots and added Cybertron footage. In a movie where they actually re-create specific shots from the old animation, you'd think they'd have done that there too if they were actually making the reference. --M Sipher (talk) 14:04, 7 January 2019 (EST)

Rob, they used Cliffjumper because Cliffjumper can use the same Cybertronian body that they already modeled for Bumblebee. --ItsWalky (talk) 14:16, 7 January 2019 (EST)

Fair enough, outvoted etc.

Not sure this comment works as an explanation, though. Of course they reskinned a model where it was an option, but they coulda reskinned anybody. They coulda killed off Bluestreak or Smokescreen or Outback or an obscurity or a generic. -- Repowers (talk) 18:11, 8 January 2019 (EST)

The expanded Cybertronian scenes were a later addition, and so Bumblebee's Cybertronian mode was likely available much sooner. --ItsWalky (talk) 20:34, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Even if the authors didn't intend it, it still happened. We're the ones who spot the similarities and I'm on board with noting it on the page, though using phrases like "...is similar to..." as opposed to "...is inspired by...". Same thing goes with "homage," which assumes deliberate planning. Two things can resemble each other either on purpose or by accident, it's still fair to point out the resemblence. --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 14:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)

That's always been something we've actively avoided doing. We even have a template for it. Escargon (talk) 15:06, 7 January 2019 (EST)

And I quote...

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-- Cyberlink420 (talk) 15:24, 7 January 2019 (EST)

Yeah, we are not filling up our references sections with things that we merely find similar. That's not what the references section is for. That's why we have the template. --ItsWalky (talk) 20:27, 7 January 2019 (EST)

Seekers

It says dirge is in the film, the only conehead you see clearly (and even has a pic on this site) is green. Also, the purple seeker on Cybertron resembles slipstream in colors more than it does Skywarp. Hell, it probably isn’t even either character, just a generic. I think we should remove the seekers names from the characters list besides starscream, as the others aren’t named. While starscream isn’t named in the film, the shots on Cybertron resemble his g1 self and he is the closest standing to shockwave in the scene with the green cone head. Starscream, Soundwave, and shockwave are all Megatrons generals, so it would make sense for them to be together with Megatron being gone. As far as I’m aware, starscream is the only seeker that can be safely associated with an established character. YourBestPal (talk) 09:14, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Scroll down to Notes section. There's a reference to an EW article saying all the G1 characters in the opening Cybertron scene. --notirishman (talk) 10:33, 10 January 2019 (EST)

I'm not sure how reliable that source is in this case. They can't spell Chris Latta. They state that the instructions for the coneheads were changed, when they were not. Various paragraphs mix the old toys and the new movies in confusing ways. And the quotation used to support Dirge's presence does not actually include his name, that is added by the author of the article and could be either saying that the specific conehead Dirge is in the movie or simply giving an example of a conehead from past fiction without saying what the names of any coneheads in the movie are (or even if they are named). Honestly, the writer needs to return not just the paycheck they received for that article, but also any and all diplomas, degrees, and certifications of education that they may have received. --Khajidha (talk) 10:48, 10 January 2019 (EST)

So we can remove them from the list except starscream? He is thus far the only one who has enough to be inferred who he is. Just because he is named doesn’t mean it’s not him, shockwave goes unnamed in the film. See my first post if you are unaware of my reasoning. Sincerely YourBestPal (talk) 15:29, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Shockwave is named in the credits, by the way. --notirishman (talk) 17:23, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Thrust are explicitly named in the ILM visual development page (https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/). Thus, I'd assume that there has been confirmation on their identities. Ed (talk) 02:31, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

Dude, you're responding to a 4 month old thread. We are aware of the ILM source. We discussed it over a month ago in the section "Entertainment Weekly". But, given the fact that all of those mentioned there show up in MULTIPLE copies, the specific characters cannot be said to be in this film. --Khajidha (talk) 11:10, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

Shatter/Dropkick tracking Bumblebee error.

(First post here forgive me if I'm doing this wrong)

So I was reading the error section for this movie specifically how it claims that Shatter and Dropkick were tasked with tracking down B-127, while they do that after they detect his signal while interrogating Cliffjumper I didn't see anything in the film that indicated that they were hunting down Bumblebee specifically before that moment, since they were trying to find Prime it seems more likely that the two Decepticons were just tracking down and interrogating any Autobot they could for Prime's location and so happen to be near Bee while they were interrogating Cliffjumper, although this is just a theory perhaps they were tracking down Autobots this exact way with finding one and detecting signals of other Autobots and repeat the procedure until they find Cliff, again this part is just a theory but regardless nothing in the film indicates that the two Decepticons were looking for Bumblebee specifically prior to the Autobot beaming his signal.

The Blitzwing part however is fine and correct since it isn't explained how he was already there, either he was already on Earth (I mean he is a Seeker and maybe Seekers seek other worlds which is what they did in ROTF although they are presumably separate from the more classic versions in this movie) or he took off after Bumblebee's pod immediately after they launched whether specifically looking for Bee or was chasing his pod by chance. Although those are theories and not fact. --Deadput (talk) 7:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)

Yeah, I don't think the error as listed is correct. Shatter and Dropkick are hunting for Optimus, they happen to be interrogating Cliffjumper when they detect Bumblebee's signal and they go to find Bumblebee on the hunch he'll be more willing to talk. --abates (talk) 16:05, 23 January 2019 (EST)

Just an idea

I don't know if there is a way we could do this but could we take a poll on whether people like the Bumblebee designs or the original movieverse designs better? Please don't hate me for this. I'm new here.--Metalstar (talk) 12:09, 28 January 2019 (EST)

TFWiki isn't the place for "social" stuff, that would be better suited for a Transformers discussion forum. Jalaguy (talk) 12:54, 28 January 2019 (EST)

Bumblebee's Place in Continuity

It seems Hasbro referred to Bumblebee as "a new storytelling universe" at the ToyFair panel over the weekend. Now admittedly this statement is rather vague, but the general idea seems to imply the film is now a reboot, not a prequel to the Michael Bay franchise. I'm aware of the mass discussions in regards to the film's continuity prior to release, and I don't mean to dredge up old arguments, but I think this statement is atleast worth discussing. RazorSlash (talk) 20:17, 17 February 2019 (EST)

I don't see any point in discussing this until after the next movie.--Khajidha (talk) 20:48, 17 February 2019 (EST)

Christ, can people tamp down their continuity deckchair-shuffling boners for like three consecutive seconds. --M Sipher (talk) 21:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)

I guess you can say it's pretty hard? --notirishman (talk) 22:43, 17 February 2019 (EST)

Is this good enough? FigureGunplaFan (talk) 00:42, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

Bumblebee Universal Designation

Since the Bumblebee movie has been confirmed to be a reboot, and was obviously a new timeline in the first place, I propose we call the BB movie universe: Tyran 018.21 Delta. --Autobot62695 15:03, 15 March 2019 (EST)

We've already discussed this, including right above your post. The statement they made was too vague to actually pull anything definitive from, so we're not making any calls about whether the movie is a prequel or reboot (and therefore requires a new designation) until we know what the next movie is. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 16:28, 15 March 2019 (EDT)

Also the movie is blatantly made to work either way (with allowances for how shoddy inter-film continuity is for the whole enterprise). If new movies do their own thing, that doesn't actually change how they approached and made this movie. And we're not using TT stream designations for anything anyway. --M Sipher (talk) 16:32, 15 March 2019 (EDT)

That too. Unless something gets mentioned in future TransTech fiction (assuming there even is any), you probably won't see any new universal streams added to the wiki going forward. (Note that we don't have one for Cyberverse either.) -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 16:38, 15 March 2019 (EDT)

I don't see how it is vague. It was clearly confirmed to be a reboot. --Luka1184 (talk) 15:36, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

No, it wasn't. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 16:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Aside from any of that, Sector 7 Adventures: The Battle at Half Dome is tied to this movie and the previous ones. --Khajidha (talk) 16:43, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Battletrap homage

There's a note that states that Dropkick is an homage to Battletrap's appearance in "Cybertron's Most Wanted." Is there any evidence to back this up (say Travis Knight saying so like how he said Shatter is based on Nightbird), or is it just speculative? Because I don't remember hearing Mr. Knight saying anything about Dropkick's design. SoundJack426 (talk) 10:57, 23 March 2019 (EDT)

Entertainment Weekly

"An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on Cybertron.<ref>EW article on the Cybertron scene</ref> " Given all the errors in that article, I am tempted to just remove this from the page. How can we claim that it confirms anything when it gets so much wrong about the past? --Khajidha (talk) 15:30, 24 March 2019 (EDT)

I've pulled the note and removed the Seekers (other than Starscream) from the list. Find a source that is competent before re-adding. --Khajidha (talk) 10:49, 27 March 2019 (EDT)

From the horse's mouth. Slide 28 concretely identifies them as such. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 18:49, 2 April 2019 (EDT)

Okay, that I can accept as a reliable source. The EW article I wouldn't even take as evidence for how to spell Entertainment Weekly, it was THAT bad.--Khajidha (talk) 10:38, 4 April 2019 (EDT)

I wanna say that while obviously those Seeker colors were inspired by a few of the named Seekers over the years including being labeled as such in the concept art, I doubt those Seekers in the opening were those characters themselves only because the colors are reused for multiple Seekers, for example there are multiple "Thundercrackers" including the one Optimus pummels and the one Bumblebee knocks out of the way in vehicle mode before he knocks over and kills one of the many "Skywarps" in the scene, although it's possible any of these Seekers are indeed Skywarp,Thundercracker,Thrust,etc I'm not sure if that was the intent at the end, The colors I saw while watching a 4k version of the scene just today were besides the Thundercracker,Skywarp,Thrust ones there were the ROTF Dirge looking ones as well as an orange kind of Sunstorm Seeker that Bumblebee kicks a Skywarp head at and shortly before hand a mostly red Seeker in the background during the part where Bee knocks over two Seekers and finally there is a couple Seekers that uses Blitzwing's color scheme one of such is one of the Seekers that Prime shoots in the flashback and another is one of the many Seekers charging Prime at the end of the scene, funnily enough that one was right beside Shatter and Dropkick so that one might very well be Blitzwing himself but probably a coincidence, This fan made scale chart by Red Goblin (He's a very talented guy, I actually think he has some access or other to ILM renders, either that or he's really good at piecing together renders) while not an official source (probably) is a good film accurate showing of what colors were in the film. https://i.postimg.cc/2kRxjk5B/bumblebeeccons.png --Deadput (talk) 5:46, 4 April 2019 (EST)

pics

I get why all the pics are of the bot scenes...but shouldn't Charlie be in a few? Swapping the final image for example from one at the bridge to Prime and Bee seems to run counter to the fact that she's the the primary protagonist. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eire (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

I agree. At the moment the selection of screencaps is giving a completely inaccurate impression of the film. We have more screeencaps featuring Soundwave than we do of Charlie (and the one that does is just the back of her head). --abates (talk) 19:33, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

Digital comic

Question: the recent comic (Sector 7 adventures: the battle at half dome) released with the dvd has many elements that connect Bumblebee movie with the 2007 Transformers movie (like Banachek, Simmons's S7 t-shirt, Soundwave looking for the AllSpark, Megatron frozen etc...); so can we add those informations in this page? RoboWarriorPrime (talk), 24 April 2019

That information would be better suited to a Battle at Half Dome page. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 11:04, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

Yes, I know I know, but what I was saying is that (for example) in the section "continuity notes" there is written that the S7 doesn't know the Cybertronians and there is also written a supposition that project Iceman is so secret that only a small portion of employees knows about it. I asked if there could be done a link saying these theory is supported by the comic. RoboWarriorPrime (talk), 24 April 2019

Probably not. I guarantee you the scriptwriters were not thinking about any comic adaptations when the movie was being written; in its own self-contained context, there is no explanation. Besides, if there's anything we've learned from the Bumblebee Prequel, it's that the events of a comic tie-in can't be treated as lining up precisely with, or having any influence on, movie canon. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 13:23, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

Ok thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RoboWarriorPrime (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

Just one last question: if what you're saying is true, why in Bumblebee's notes (character, not movie I mean) about his arrival on earth is made mention to the IDW comics? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RoboWarriorPrime (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

Character articles cover all of a character's appearances in all works of fiction, even when they're incompatible with one another. Hence why the "IDW Comics" section is placed separately on the page from the "Movies" section. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 13:51, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

OK Thanks

Escape Pods/Protoform

Does anyone else notice the Escape pods resemble the protoform reentry modes of the Michael Bay Movies? Would it be alright if I made a note of that in the Trivia section of the Protoform' page? Or is only having minor resemblance not conclusive evidence enough to make a note of it in the trivia section of that Protoform' page?

The movie is no longer a prequel, it's a reboot

When the movie finally came out, it was declared to be a reboot officially. Shouldn't the page be altered to reflect that? Here is at least one source: https://comicbook.com/movies/news/streaming-june-2020-netflix-disney-plus-hulu-hbo-max/ --Luka1184 (talk) 15:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Please read the Bumblebee section on this page: Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers. Escargon (talk) 15:45, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Also, Bumblebee isn't even mentioned on that page. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 16:12, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Transformers isn't mentioned on that page, either. --Khajidha (talk) 16:35, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

I assume they meant to link to this, which is simply re-reporting the "new storytelling universe" quote which is already covered on the page Escargon linked to. --abates (talk) 17:14, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

And, even if it were completely out of continuity with the previous films, I can't see it as being separate enough to warrant splitting pages. It would still seem to fall in the same continuity family and would be covered on the pre-existing movie-verse pages just as the many separate G1 universes are covered on the same pages (barring splits for length). --Khajidha (talk) 19:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

How Peter Cullen was treated

Should we bring this up on how Peter Cullen was treated poorly in the film's production as he had to come in to voice Optimus for at least a day as he had to dub over the actor? He confirmed it last year.Energizier 20:34, 24 August 2021 (EDT)

I believe someone added this to his page a while back and it got removed by an admin as it's not really relevant to anything and is seen more as "unnecessary shit-stirring" that could potentially fuel GEEWUN arguments. I'd say it would probably get rejected all the same here too. It just opens a huge can of worms that creates a lot of in-fighting within the fanbase. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 21:05, 24 August 2021 (EDT)

Ah ok. My bad. It's been in mind for a few days. Energizier 14:51, 25 August 2021 (EDT)

Possibly another Transformers Reference

Blitzwing holds Bumblebee in the canyon similar to how Starscream held Bumblebee in that Episode of Animated(I think the second Episode? But I could be wrong)

Then again it could also just be just a coincidence but still I figured I might point it out (AutoTrooper2801 (talk) 17:23, 3 June 2025 (EDT))