Talk:Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers

How about the statement that Metrotitan is made of the ghosts of dead Decepticons? I know I've heard that thrown around a time or two back in the day.... -hx 20:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thats Violinjyger and it's true.

Alright, how about something about how G2 is G2 and everything after the movie, while technically a second generation, is not "G2" (although I recall hearing that Pat Lee regarded it as such).--Zodberg 22:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

French Starscream

I went ahead and removed the entry about Starscream. First of all, while I don't know about Bigbot's reliability... the sound clips ARE legit. And the French source you pulled from TFW2005 referred to Starscream being male in the CARTOON (ie "episodes") rather than the movie itself, which used an entirely different dub team.

I'm French Canadian, all my ancestors came to Canada from France, between the ages of three and ten, I rented the movie in French every single time I was at my grandparents' house. So I know what I'm talking about here. --Detour 22:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I would also assume that the French fans interviewed to dispell that theory ALSO knew what they were talking about. And this Youtube clip and this other Youtube clip don't make him sound very female to me. It's your word against both other French fans and evidence I just watched with my own eyes, man. --ItsWalky 22:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I dunno how many more bloody times I must say this, the French movie used a different dub team from either French dubs of the cartoon. I even pointed it out in Starscream's article. Yes, in the TV show he was a guy, but in the movie, the new dub team made him and Shrapnel girls. Listen to those clips for proof. Those are legit from the TFTM I watched growing up. --Detour 22:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I tried to get Nevermore to clarify on this when he made the changes, but he was unable to provide more info. Can you confirm that Starscream was characterized / referred to as female in the movie, along with the feminine voice? I think it's important that we clarify the myth as "partly true" rather than just delete it, but I want to be sure we have it all nailed down. --Steve-o 22:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, aside from the obvious voice, Megatron says to Starscream "Tu es une imbécile." In English, "an idiot" would be used to refer to a male or a female idiot, but in French the article varies in gender, were Starscream a male he would have said "Tu es un imbécile." instead of "une imbécile". (French articles and determiners)

Shrapnel being female is OBVIOUS from the fact that Kickback calls him/her "Mademoiselle Shrapnel", which translates to "Miss Shrapnel".

I'm trying to locate video clips of the French dub of TFTM to have more than just sound clips but so far I haven't found any... not sure where I could find a VHS tape in this day and age either... --Detour 22:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

For those wondering why Shrapnel's being mentioned here, you can read this link, which is how this whole issue was brought up in the first place. But note that I've never questioned (for I've had no reason to do so) movie Shrapnel's femininity.--G.B. Blackrock 23:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Repackaged old toys

I think we should also have something on the notion that new-packaging releases of older toys are old unsold items taken back from store shelves, pulled from their cards, and RE-packaged onto new cards. I mean, this HAS to be bullshit. But I'm not sure of the best way to phrase it, since it's not a ridiculous argument that comes up very often. I wonder if Kyde has any insights on this. --M Sipher 20:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know that I've ever heard somebody claim that, but admittedly, I have been out of online TF discussions for a year or two, and have never read the web boards regularly. I think that unless this is something that actually comes up semi-frequently, there's not much reason to bring it up in the article. --Steve-o 22:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I've heard it said repeatedly that REDECOs are unsold toys that are sent back to Hasbro and repainted. Of course, I've only ever heard it said on Tformers. Those posters probably aren't competent enough to be held accountable for their actions. --ItsWalky 00:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I've seen it several times over the course of years. Certainly more than I've seen "Shrapnel's a girl in France" and "Geman movie omitted Starscream's death"... which is never before the wiki. --M Sipher 23:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, what Siph said. -hx 00:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I've recently had a discussion with a common friend of ours, who is a longtime hardcore collector with inside contacts, and even he believed in the "repackaged toys are REpackaged in the literal sense" theory until I pointed out to him how expensive that would be. So I agree with Sipher here that it deserves a place on this page.--Nevermore 00:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Featured Article?

If we can get a few pictures... like the catalog image of blue-sided Bluestreak, Raiden in the Headmasters cartoon, a few other things... I think this page should have Featured status. It's important shit. --M Sipher 22:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd say all the reference links are going to need alternate text before we can safely call this a featured article.--Rosicrucian^Talk 00:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

"Confirmed" myths?

Would it be worth it to add urban legends that are actually true? (I'm thinking here things like "Sunstreaker and Sideswipe's/Starscream and Skywarp's tech specs were swapped, there was a Unicron toy planned during G1 that had an Orson Welles voice chip, etc.) Some of those things almost reach the status of urban legends in the fandom (not as much as they used to, now that information is easier to come by, but still.) Also, we need to add "Armada was supposed to tie together all previous TF continuities" or whatever the dumb rumor was. Also, maybe something to explain exactly what the RTV dubs really are (made in Malaysia, not Singapore, did they REALLY air in Hawaii/Mexico/wherever as I've seen people claim, etc.) -hx 13:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, "There was a Transformers breakfast cereal with Bumblebee-shaped marshmallows and when you poured milk on it, they changed from car mode to robot mode." A kid at my school SWORE he had eaten this. -hx 13:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

TF:TM soundtrack evidence of "lost" scene

The 10 seconds in question are from 02:29 to 02:39 in "Death of Optimus Prime" on the original soundtrack CD. There was at least one other release of the soundtrack, right? Can anyone check and see if the mysterious sequence is there too? Or, hell, if anyone has heard of DiCola giving an alternate explanation, please disabuse me of the whole notion. - Jackpot 19:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Misconception?

"A misconception usually held by casual fans or nostalgic adults is that of the original 1980's cartoon being the best fiction and most influential/successful line to date, with all other successors being unpopular and/or unsuccessful ventures. Some of this misconception is based on the fact that most of the original audience stopped watching and following the franchise after its cancellation, or even before (as it wasn't "cool" to be kiddy once the puberty hit). Without any exposure to the market, the toyline and the new cartoons, they simply assume that Transformers has sunk in both popularity, quality and sales, since it's not what they remember."

Any facts/sources to back this up? I'd bet that actual sales between the demise of G1 and Micheal Bay stepping in were significantly lower, which would seriously contradict what's being said here.

According to lists that used to be published in Tomarts(?) magazine, Transformers has consistently placed in the top 3 boys toys properties since the beginning of Beast Wars. Robots in Disguise and Armada both reported record profits, though Energon and Cybertron didn't seem to match Armada's success. --ItsWalky 03:56, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

How did Energon and Cybertron sell, anyway? It seems widely known that Armada sold like hotcakes, but nobody ever brings up the two sequels in that regard. -- Repowers 20:44, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Team names and vowel breaks

While I'm good with the "Seacons" inclusion... well, bot every Decepticon team had an "i" vowel break... like the Predacons. And not every team had a vowel break at all... like the Triggercons, and arguably the Firecons. On the other hand... were the Seacons the only two-syllable name team, where everyone else had three? Nothing else is springing to mind... --M Sipher 19:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Whether it's a "a" or an "i" is kinda moot; the point is that there was a break in all the teams before them. (FWIW, to a lazy Southern tongue like mine, the "i" and "a" are almost indistinguishable. It all comes out "uh-cons" regardless.) As for the contemporaneous Triggercons, there's no ambiguity in their name, as there's no vowel there to be misappropriated. Right or wrong, the extraneous "uh" in "see-uh-cons" comes from the "a" in "Sea". Last question: "Firecon" is only two syllables, innit? -- Repowers 20:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

It's only two syllables if you're a dirty southerner. --ItsWalky 20:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm a Southerner, and I say it "Fie-er". Any rate, the point is the current entry says "all teams had 'i' vowel breaks". Which ain't true... I'm more inclined to believe it's a "three-plus syllables" pattern. --M Sipher 20:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

(D'oh. Terrorcons!) --M Sipher 20:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

See, I think we should start calling the Pretender Monsters the Pretendicons, just to keep with the pattern. Semysane 08:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

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