Talk:Cyclonus (Armada)
How are we going to do Snowstorm/Snowcat? X-BoB58 00:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
A keyboard, I presume. --ItsWalky 01:17, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Ya know I never thought about that all this time I've been working on this wiki with my phone's fucking number pad X-BoB58 02:35, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
The same way we did Smokescreen (Armada). The same way that Bumblebee/Goldbug will be handled. One character, one page. --M Sipher
Am I crazy AM I CRAZY?
Tell me I'm cracy! -Derik 03:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Cracy? Sure, Derik, I'll remind you of your Craciness again.
Crazy? No. I see a passing resemblence myself. --Richardstone 05:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it just me or did he have a weird drill mini-con in the series, and a mini-con that became the front face of the 'copter for his toy (so that he actually turned into a reasonably shaped helicopter, instead of a flat sawn-off looking one)? 129.215.149.99 00:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- Uh... those would be Drill Bit (Armada) and Crumplezone... aka one of the Destruction Mini-Con Team and Cyc's pack-in partner.
A good guy vehicle into a bad guy robot...
Well it obviously happens the same way a good guy robot turns into a bad guy vehicle. Sheesh, hasn't any of you ever read the GI Joe/Transformers crossovers?
- Except it didn't happen "the same way". Here we're talking about Hasbro's design team taking one of their more iconic vehicle designs for one of their most iconic hero groups, and making a new toy of it as a villain character rather than the expected good-guy, with ZERO story reasoning behind it. The Joe crossover character designs is a purely fiction-driven deal that has nothing to do with toy design. The question is why the TOYMAKERS went this route. --M Sipher 23:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Probably because the series was written by Japanese writers who'd never heard of Gi Joe?
- Or in more practical terms- it's difficult for 'specialty' vehicle forms like Snowcat's to work for heroes, who much bear the brunt of narrative focus for many episodes- and thus must 'work' in every environment. (As planes and cars do.) It's much easier to ignore Snowcat's incongruous altmode in a desert if he's only in 3 minutes of an episode vs. 12 minutes.. -Derik 01:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- The Japanese writers comment makes no sense given that the toy was obviously always a Decepticon, given that he doesn't Powerlinx and has a Hyper gimmick instead. He was clearly a Decepticon from day one. Why he's a G.I. Joe vehicle despite this is the question, and has nothing to do with We've, I'm pretty sure. --ItsWalky 01:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- 'Zactly. His being CYCLONUS is likely We've-tied, but the toy design itself... --M Sipher 02:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- Also the functionality of vehicle modes in Energon is totally inconsequential, since all they do is fly through space anyway. -LV 03:40, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well since GI Joe doesn't even exist in the UT-continuity, him being either a good guy or a bad guy vehicle is not an issue since the said vehicle obviously doesn't exist in the said 'verse.
- It is as far as the DESIGN OF THE FUCKING TOY goes. --M Sipher 03:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well since GI Joe doesn't even exist in the UT-continuity, him being either a good guy or a bad guy vehicle is not an issue since the said vehicle obviously doesn't exist in the said 'verse.
- The Japanese writers comment makes no sense given that the toy was obviously always a Decepticon, given that he doesn't Powerlinx and has a Hyper gimmick instead. He was clearly a Decepticon from day one. Why he's a G.I. Joe vehicle despite this is the question, and has nothing to do with We've, I'm pretty sure. --ItsWalky 01:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Cyclonus = Snowcat in Energon Comics?
-I swear I remember reading Snowcat himself Say he is cyclonus in the Energon comics... I brought the first couple of volumes of it, and I'm almost certain when Snowcat first appears, he says this... or is this someone else or appears later on saying "Yeah I am now this guy.... " and not giving any more explaination than that? I'll try to find my volumes, I think it is in the second volume.....
-My mistake, it's Mirage who appears saying "Remember me? I used to be Tidal Wave, but now I'm a completely different Transformer! Ha!" kind of thing.... Sorry, it was an easy mistake...
- The Omnicons made a joke about Slugslinger after Mirage announced he was the former Tidal Wave, "is this someone else in a new body?" It seems... odd to say that in response to Mirage's statement, but they had just fought Snowcat the issue prior, so if they knew he was Cyclonus...
- Snowcat isn't explicitly stated to be Cyclonus in Energon #25, but he's scornful of Scorponok, and makes several references to being familiar with Megatron which would seem to imply (strongly, given everything else) that yes, he's Cyclonus.
- But no, not stated outright.-Derik 00:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Is "Snowcat" an alternate spelling somewhere?
I see Snow Cat's name parsed as "Snowcat" quite often so I was wondering. - Starfield 17:50, 17 May 2010 (EDT)
Son Of The Mask
Didn't Cyclonus make a quick appearance in the film Son Of The Mask? Wasn't he seen on T.V. saying, "You can run, but you can't hide!" influencing the baby to mess with his father? I just noticed that the comment someone pu up about that was taken down thats all.MrLordGalvatron 11:54, 4 February 2011 (EST)
- We don't list appearances or references in non-Transformers media. --ItsWalky 09:14, 4 February 2011 (EST)
- Thank you for the clarification.MrLordGalvatron 11:54, 4 February 2011 (EST)
Split?
Hey all, so it has come to my attention that Snow Cat may have in fact been a different character before the cartoon established him as Cyclonus. I know there was a Q and A from 2009, but it gave a very vague response that didn't really answer the question that was asked (Aaron Archer also gave about the same vague reply to someone when he was asked about Snow Cat on his Instagram too).
So going strictly off of the fiction he has appeared in: his Hasbro.com bio makes no mention and very little (if any) reference to Cyclonus. His Dreamwave and toy pack-in comic appearances also don't establish any connection that I am aware of.
With the Dreamwave stuff, Cyclonus appears in a page spread of issue #19 and then in issue issue #25 Snow Cat randomly appears. There's no context as to where he came from and if he is Cyclonus or not. Even the unpublished issue layouts from Simon Furman don't connect the two. Likewise, he shows up in like one chapter of the pack-in comic and that's about all you get. If we are to agree that Snow Cat is/was a separate character outside of the cartoon universe, I'd also be tempted to move Mirage's toy pack-in fiction to Mirage (Energon) as he doesn't have any connection to Tidal Wave in the pack-in universe either (at least from what I can tell). -- Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 00:50, 7 November 2021 (EDT)
- Having gone over the evidence, I'm in favor of these Snow Cat appearances getting suited out into a new page. It's pretty that conspicuous he wasn't reformatted from Cyclonus in the Energon comics, given that Tidal Wave (and Demolishor, had the series continued) got reformatted into his new toy, so at the very least the Energon comic belongs on a different page. In addition, he and Cyclonus have completely different tech specs, which seems to support the idea that Snow Cat's bio wasn't intended to reference Cyclonus at all. - Archforce (talk) 00:59, 7 November 2021 (EDT)
Bumping discussion
I've been reading through the pack-in fiction again the past couple of days and I am once again conviced that Snow Cat is/was a separate dude in the US markets pre-cartoon interpretation. I've also gone ahead and moved Mirage's pack-in comic write ups to the separate entity's article for that very reason. I see this as being no different to the likes of Ironhide (BW), Prowl (Magnaboss) and Silverbolt (Magnaboss) which we had recently rectified due to past editors taking Simon Furman's retcons/repurposings of those individuals in the IDW sourcebooks as being the "definitive" versions of the characters, when their original collective toy bio stated otherwise. I also want to point out again that Cyclonus and Snow Cat's bios don't line up and their tech specs are very different, much like Tidal Wave and Mirage's.
Below are the evidences I've pulled:
I'm still of the opinion that the Dreamwave Snow Cat should also be moved to the separate individual's article (if we make the split), just due to there being no context, authorial intent or indication given for that interpretation of Cyclonus and Snow Cat to be the same individuals either. -- Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 00:36, 11 June 2022 (EDT)
