Talk:Cyclonus (Armada)

How are we going to do Snowstorm/Snowcat? X-BoB58 00:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

A keyboard, I presume. --ItsWalky 01:17, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Ya know I never thought about that all this time I've been working on this wiki with my phone's fucking number pad X-BoB58 02:35, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The same way we did Smokescreen (Armada). The same way that Bumblebee/Goldbug will be handled. One character, one page. --M Sipher

Am I crazy AM I CRAZY?

Tell me I'm cracy! -Derik 03:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Cracy? Sure, Derik, I'll remind you of your Craciness again.

Crazy? No. I see a passing resemblence myself. --Richardstone 05:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me or did he have a weird drill mini-con in the series, and a mini-con that became the front face of the 'copter for his toy (so that he actually turned into a reasonably shaped helicopter, instead of a flat sawn-off looking one)? 129.215.149.99 00:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Uh... those would be Drill Bit (Armada) and Crumplezone... aka one of the Destruction Mini-Con Team and Cyc's pack-in partner.

A good guy vehicle into a bad guy robot...

Well it obviously happens the same way a good guy robot turns into a bad guy vehicle. Sheesh, hasn't any of you ever read the GI Joe/Transformers crossovers?

Except it didn't happen "the same way". Here we're talking about Hasbro's design team taking one of their more iconic vehicle designs for one of their most iconic hero groups, and making a new toy of it as a villain character rather than the expected good-guy, with ZERO story reasoning behind it. The Joe crossover character designs is a purely fiction-driven deal that has nothing to do with toy design. The question is why the TOYMAKERS went this route. --M Sipher 23:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Probably because the series was written by Japanese writers who'd never heard of Gi Joe?

Or in more practical terms- it's difficult for 'specialty' vehicle forms like Snowcat's to work for heroes, who much bear the brunt of narrative focus for many episodes- and thus must 'work' in every environment. (As planes and cars do.) It's much easier to ignore Snowcat's incongruous altmode in a desert if he's only in 3 minutes of an episode vs. 12 minutes.. -Derik 01:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

The Japanese writers comment makes no sense given that the toy was obviously always a Decepticon, given that he doesn't Powerlinx and has a Hyper gimmick instead. He was clearly a Decepticon from day one. Why he's a G.I. Joe vehicle despite this is the question, and has nothing to do with We've, I'm pretty sure. --ItsWalky 01:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

'Zactly. His being CYCLONUS is likely We've-tied, but the toy design itself... --M Sipher 02:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Also the functionality of vehicle modes in Energon is totally inconsequential, since all they do is fly through space anyway. -LV 03:40, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Well since GI Joe doesn't even exist in the UT-continuity, him being either a good guy or a bad guy vehicle is not an issue since the said vehicle obviously doesn't exist in the said 'verse.

It is as far as the DESIGN OF THE FUCKING TOY goes. --M Sipher 03:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Cyclonus = Snowcat in Energon Comics?

-I swear I remember reading Snowcat himself Say he is cyclonus in the Energon comics... I brought the first couple of volumes of it, and I'm almost certain when Snowcat first appears, he says this... or is this someone else or appears later on saying "Yeah I am now this guy.... " and not giving any more explaination than that? I'll try to find my volumes, I think it is in the second volume.....

-My mistake, it's Mirage who appears saying "Remember me? I used to be Tidal Wave, but now I'm a completely different Transformer! Ha!" kind of thing.... Sorry, it was an easy mistake...

The Omnicons made a joke about Slugslinger after Mirage announced he was the former Tidal Wave, "is this someone else in a new body?" It seems... odd to say that in response to Mirage's statement, but they had just fought Snowcat the issue prior, so if they knew he was Cyclonus...

Snowcat isn't explicitly stated to be Cyclonus in Energon #25, but he's scornful of Scorponok, and makes several references to being familiar with Megatron which would seem to imply (strongly, given everything else) that yes, he's Cyclonus.

But no, not stated outright.-Derik 00:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Is "Snowcat" an alternate spelling somewhere?

I see Snow Cat's name parsed as "Snowcat" quite often so I was wondering. - Starfield 17:50, 17 May 2010 (EDT)

Son Of The Mask

Didn't Cyclonus make a quick appearance in the film Son Of The Mask? Wasn't he seen on T.V. saying, "You can run, but you can't hide!" influencing the baby to mess with his father? I just noticed that the comment someone pu up about that was taken down thats all.MrLordGalvatron 11:54, 4 February 2011 (EST)

We don't list appearances or references in non-Transformers media. --ItsWalky 09:14, 4 February 2011 (EST)

Thank you for the clarification.MrLordGalvatron 11:54, 4 February 2011 (EST)

Split?

Hey all, so it has come to my attention that Snow Cat may have in fact been a different character before the cartoon established him as Cyclonus. I know there was a Q and A from 2009, but it gave a very vague response that didn't really answer the question that was asked (Aaron Archer also gave about the same vague reply to someone when he was asked about Snow Cat on his Instagram too).

So going strictly off of the fiction he has appeared in: his Hasbro.com bio makes no mention and very little (if any) reference to Cyclonus. His Dreamwave and toy pack-in comic appearances also don't establish any connection that I am aware of.

With the Dreamwave stuff, Cyclonus appears in a page spread of issue #19 and then in issue issue #25 Snow Cat randomly appears. There's no context as to where he came from and if he is Cyclonus or not. Even the unpublished issue layouts from Simon Furman don't connect the two. Likewise, he shows up in like one chapter of the pack-in comic and that's about all you get. If we are to agree that Snow Cat is/was a separate character outside of the cartoon universe, I'd also be tempted to move Mirage's toy pack-in fiction to Mirage (Energon) as he doesn't have any connection to Tidal Wave in the pack-in universe either (at least from what I can tell). -- Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 00:50, 7 November 2021 (EDT)

Having gone over the evidence, I'm in favor of these Snow Cat appearances getting suited out into a new page. It's pretty that conspicuous he wasn't reformatted from Cyclonus in the Energon comics, given that Tidal Wave (and Demolishor, had the series continued) got reformatted into his new toy, so at the very least the Energon comic belongs on a different page. In addition, he and Cyclonus have completely different tech specs, which seems to support the idea that Snow Cat's bio wasn't intended to reference Cyclonus at all. - Archforce (talk) 00:59, 7 November 2021 (EDT)

Bumping discussion

I've been reading through the pack-in fiction again the past couple of days and I am once again conviced that Snow Cat is/was a separate dude in the US markets pre-cartoon interpretation. I've also gone ahead and moved Mirage's pack-in comic write ups to the separate entity's article for that very reason. I see this as being no different to the likes of Ironhide (BW), Prowl (Magnaboss) and Silverbolt (Magnaboss) which we had recently rectified due to past editors taking Simon Furman's retcons/repurposings of those individuals in the IDW sourcebooks as being the "definitive" versions of the characters, when their original collective toy bio stated otherwise. I also want to point out again that Cyclonus and Snow Cat's bios don't line up and their tech specs are very different, much like Tidal Wave and Mirage's.

Below are the evidences I've pulled:

• Energon Cyclonus Tech Spec
• Snow Cat Tech Spec
• Cyclonus Hasbro.com bio?
• Snow Cat Hasbro.com bio

I'm still of the opinion that the Dreamwave Snow Cat should also be moved to the separate individual's article (if we make the split), just due to there being no context, authorial intent or indication given for that interpretation of Cyclonus and Snow Cat to be the same individuals either. -- Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 00:36, 11 June 2022 (EDT)

I'm against the Dreamwave move if only because of Mirage being Tidal Wave in Dreamwave continuity. I'd like for us to ask Furman about it, because he clearly knew enough to link Tidal Wave and Mirage, which happened after the Cyclonus and Snow Cat bit in the cartoon. Escargon (talk) 10:20, 11 June 2022 (EDT)

Does anyone here have direct contact with Simon Furman these days? I think, unless Furman has notes lying around that can either confirm or deny, we'd probably get the same answer that Aaron Archer gave us for the toy's characterization, which basically came down to "that was a long time ago, I can't remember specifics, but the cartoon did things differently", but I suppose there's no harm in trying. I am wondering how much Hasbro and Dreamwave knew about the cartoon's direction, what kind of timeframe Dreamwave and the dub were both working in, and how much authority from Hasbro (if any) was given to align both stories somewhat. For reference, below are the release dates of their debut appearances:

• "Kicker Beware!" (Snow Cat's first cartoon appearance) came out April 2, 2004 in Japan, while the English dub came out June 25, 2004.
• "Omni-Potent" (Snow Cat's first comic appearance) came out July 8, 2004—about two weeks after the dub.
• "Each One Fights..." (Mirage's first cartoon appearance) came out June 11, 2004 in Japan, while the English dub came out September 3, 2004.
• "Multiplicity, Pt. 2" (Mirage's first comic appearance) came out September 1, 2004—two days before the dub.

Something I find interesting with these dates is that there is a pretty big gap between Mirage's appearances in Japan and the US/Canada when compared to the month or so in between Snow Cat's appearances, which suggests to me that Hasbro and Dreamwave would've had a lot more time and knowledge of where the cartoon was taking the characterization of Mirage and could mirror it, whereas the limited space between Snow Cat's appearances suggests to me that Dreamwave may not have known at the time (this is just speculation though). I also wonder how much Hasbro knew about what Takara was doing with the toys too, since Snowstorm (Snow Cat) was released April 22, 2004 in Japan (20 days after his Japanese cartoon debut) and Shockfleet (Mirage) was released June 10, 2004 (a day before his Japanese cartoon debut), and all of the Japanese toy production materials I've seen for Snow Cat and Mirage followed the same upgrade format of the cartoon (Shockfleet's name was also originally going to be "Gigawave"). It seems that Takara and the cartoon team may have been working fairly closely with one another, while Hasbro appears to have been completely clueless (from what I can see, at least). -- Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 02:18, 12 June 2022 (EDT)

Roadblock (Energon) gets his own page despite no fictional appearances purely because of the "toy bio continuity" – a brief write-up that doesn't even concretely identify him as not Inferno. I'm in favour of toy bio Snow Cat getting a separate page regardless. And maybe it's just because I'm the transclusion guy now, but there's I don't see why his Dreamwave appearances can't be on both Cyclonus and Snow Cat's pages. TheLastGherkin (talk) 05:18, 12 June 2022 (EDT)