Talk:Dropshot (G1)
Universe Merge?
Given that the new Storm Cloud toy has been officially confirmed as G1 Storm Cloud, shouldn't we consider this guy the same as G1 Dropshot until something contradicts it? - Jackpot 23:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
- I agree. IC79 19:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
It's been contradicted now. How should these two characters be separated, then? The G1 Barrages are Barrage (Insecticon) and Barrage (Micromaster). Dropshot (Micromaster) works, but it would be odd using Dropshot (Classics) or (Universe) for the other Decepticon -- one reference by subgroup, one by franchise. Other thoughts? --Xaaron 17:20, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- How, are they both in AHM 11? - Starfield 17:27, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- No, but they're both in IDW continuity, separately. One is a full-sized Decepticon, the other was one of Jhiaxus's Micromaster minions on Gorlam Prime. One could make up a story where the Decepticons travelled to Gorlam Prime BTS, picked up the Micromaster, and radically altered his appearance before coming to Earth...but it's better to just admit they're two different characters. At least in this continuity. --Xaaron 18:48, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- Um, they stay where they are. We place them by the toyline they first appear in. This Dropshot is a G1 toy. The other Dropshot is a Universe toy. —Interrobang 17:45, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- Toyline, not continuity family? Okay, I didn't know that was the rule. But they still wouldn't "stay where they are", since the page has to be split. So break it up into Dropshot (G1) for the Micromaster and Dropshot (Universe) for the new IDW character? --Xaaron 18:48, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- They were intended to be the same character by Hasbro, as evidenced by the Bio, Alt Mode, and Tech Specs. IDW is allowed to work with what they're given, and reinterpret them, but should the two interpretations really be separated on the wiki? Is there even a precedent for this, anyway? Antimatter 18:58, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- What are you basing that on? One turns into an armored car with a turret gun, the other into a missile trailer. Micromaster Dropshot's MTMTE bio marks him as a masochist, Universe Dropshot's bio as simply hostile. The Micromaster Patrol members don't HAVE separate Tech Specs, they have different color schemes, so really...what evidence is there of "same character intent"? --Xaaron 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- There's about to be, with G1 Goldbug likely being a separate dude in Spotlight: Metroplex. --ItsWalky 19:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- There are also two Bombshells in the IDW continuity and both are listed on the same page. I think that is about right. They are the same character, just duplicated. Both Dropshots could be on the same page as well, with a note like Bombshell's. - Starfield 19:43, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy Fasttrack and the new IDW Fasttrack from Spotlight: Blurr are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --Xaaron 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - Starfield 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- Like I said above, to Antimatter -- NO, they're not. They are in fact very different. Their vehicle modes are different, their color schemes are different, their personalities are different (One is a masochist who gets off on pain, the other is the aggressive type who never stops fighting), their Bios do not reuse key phrases or "nod" to each other, and the Micromaster does not HAVE Tech Specs of his own to speak of. They are different in every conceivable way besides name and allegience. Slag and Charger are more the same than these two Dropshots. The only thing driving this insistence that they're the same seems to be that if Storm Cloud is the same, than the other Classics Decepticon named after a Micromaster must be, too. --Xaaron 21:49, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- Well if their personalities aren't actually the same, then it's splitsville time. --ItsWalky 22:08, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- Universe Dropshot and Storm Cloud are very blatantly based on the bios for their G1 patrols. The writer either didn't have access to their individual MTMTE bios or didn't care, but there's a definite and intentional link to the characters' G1 selves. Chip 23:27, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- If they're reusing Dropshot's toy as a different Dropshot, that might be considered repurposing. --ItsWalky 21:38, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- (I think this is the same idea as "Galvatron is not Megatron." Almost a de-purposing of the character into two seperate characters instead of two separate incarnations. Ditto for Goldbug. (We need a term for this. Mitosis?) -Derik 21:50, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- Galvatron doesn't necessarily have to be Megatron if you go just by the toys, and he wasn't in some micro-continuities. Goldbug was Bumblebee everywhere. - Starfield 22:15, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- I don't think Hasbro would really intend to introduce a brand-new character into the "Classic Series." - Starfield 22:15, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- Heavy Load. --Xaaron 22:40, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- (I think this is the same idea as "Galvatron is not Megatron." Almost a de-purposing of the character into two seperate characters instead of two separate incarnations. Ditto for Goldbug. (We need a term for this. Mitosis?) -Derik 21:50, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- Like I said above, to Antimatter -- NO, they're not. They are in fact very different. Their vehicle modes are different, their color schemes are different, their personalities are different (One is a masochist who gets off on pain, the other is the aggressive type who never stops fighting), their Bios do not reuse key phrases or "nod" to each other, and the Micromaster does not HAVE Tech Specs of his own to speak of. They are different in every conceivable way besides name and allegience. Slag and Charger are more the same than these two Dropshots. The only thing driving this insistence that they're the same seems to be that if Storm Cloud is the same, than the other Classics Decepticon named after a Micromaster must be, too. --Xaaron 21:49, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - Starfield 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy Fasttrack and the new IDW Fasttrack from Spotlight: Blurr are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --Xaaron 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- There are also two Bombshells in the IDW continuity and both are listed on the same page. I think that is about right. They are the same character, just duplicated. Both Dropshots could be on the same page as well, with a note like Bombshell's. - Starfield 19:43, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- They were intended to be the same character by Hasbro, as evidenced by the Bio, Alt Mode, and Tech Specs. IDW is allowed to work with what they're given, and reinterpret them, but should the two interpretations really be separated on the wiki? Is there even a precedent for this, anyway? Antimatter 18:58, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- Toyline, not continuity family? Okay, I didn't know that was the rule. But they still wouldn't "stay where they are", since the page has to be split. So break it up into Dropshot (G1) for the Micromaster and Dropshot (Universe) for the new IDW character? --Xaaron 18:48, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
- Speaking of the Universe toy, what do you think, is that supposed to be Dropshot's body before he was Micromaster-ized? Or was he un-Micromaster-ized? - Starfield 19:47, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
Dropshot personalities
Here are the Bios for the two Dropshots:
Dropshot (G1) - Dreamwave's MTMTE Dropshot refuses to be beaten by anything, including pain. He often punishes himself as harshly as he punishes his foes; he sometimes warms up for combat by bashing his head into steel walls. He's infuriated by the prospect of being weaker than any given challenge, so Dropshot will repeat an activity that harmed him again and again until his opposition is destroyed, or he is. Due to his toughness and skill, it has thus far been the former. Dropshot has proclaimed his desire to replace Bombshock as leader of the patrol but was verbally and physically put back in his place by the fearsome elder warrior. Given his masochistic tendencies, it's unlikely Dropshot will stop trying.
Decepticon Dropshot (Universe) - Back of the Box Decepticon Dropshot is always fighting, even when no one else is. He takes every opportunity to pick a fight, and is always the first guy to throw a punch (or fire a missile). If the robot he’s fighting with doesn’t fight back, well, that’s fine with Decepticon Dropshot. The way he looks at it, anyone who doesn’t fight is a coward and deserves a beating. He’s not really interested in having a reason to fight, and he doesn’t care whether his side wins or loses, as long as he gets to pound on someone. Other Decepticons avoid him, unless there are Autobots around for him to pick on.
Both sound very different to me. --Xaaron 22:46, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
