Talk:Nemesis Prime (G1)

Alternators

So, does the japanese version of it contain Die Cast or not?

Well, in a few months when you can buy one, let us know! --ItsWalky 01:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Nit-picky: I don't think he becomes Nemesis Prime/Black Convoy until the spark is put in him. Therefore, "Now, as Nemesis Prime, he returned to Arkeville's lair," wouldn't be true. Actually, the story explicitly stated he is under the control of AI programming, and was only named after Arkeville connected him to the evil life force. But, like I said, that's a nit pick.

What I really don't like is calling that other guy Vector Prime. For me, it's too great a leap. Just my thoughts. --Crockalley 21:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

If this G1 Nemesis Prime is man -made, what about "The War Within" Nemesis Prime from the Titanium Series?--Autobotx1010 21:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Having never seen the packaging and bio, I couldn't speculate. However it's worth noting that Arkeville never appeared in Dreamwave continuity, and thus Dreamwave continuity is not Alternators continuity. In other words, a "War Within" Nemesis Prime would be solidly in the Dreamwave-verse, and thus have no bearing on Alternators.--Rosicrucian 21:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Sunstorm and Ricochet are clones in Dreamwave continuity, and not in others. Thus it's difficult to say what kind of status a Dreamwave Nemesis Prime would have based on his status in other continuities.

If I had to guess, I'd ssay they'd place him as part of Age of Wrath with all the other clones runnign around, so clone is likely, bu by no means assured. -Derik 22:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Alternity

Translations of the "super-black" version of Alternity Convoy heavily imply that he's Binaltech Nemesis Prime, as well as Nemesis Prime (Universe 2003). Presumably this works out rather well, because the timeline that birthed the Alternity into the multiverse was the Binaltech one, which is also the one where Universe Nemesis Prime's spark got infused into Binaltech Nemesis Prime's body.--Rosicrucian^Talk 03:16, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

But, if he was created from a fragment of Uni Nemesis' cloned spark, that just makes him a clone whose spark was born from Uni Nemesis, rather than being the same individual. I mean, Uni Nemesis is a clone of a Prime from a destroyed universe...it's all rather head turning really User:Eire 21.29 July 21 (UTC)

Uh... I know that we've seen instances of sparks being split in the past, but I'm blanking on where. (Dinobot II doesn't really count, he had external datatraxs.) -Derik 16:42, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

Where are we getting that this is a fragment, not the whole spark?--Rosicrucian^Talk 16:48, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

Where are we getting anything that says Nemesis was born from having an entire spark transferred by Unicron? User:Eire 21.49 July 21 (UTC)

What does that have to do with what I just asked? I mean, you seem to be assuming he's a clone of a clone, when that doesn't seem supported by the source material. The second spark within the Binaltech body could well have been Nemesis Prime's in full.--Rosicrucian^Talk 17:01, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

The "fragment" bit is from the unsourced Forest Lee statement down in the trivia section of this page, which I believe he said at a BotCon? That's the only bit that specifically ties Binaltech (well, Alternators) Nemesis Prime to Universe Nemmy; the actual Binaltech story didn't draw so specfic a connection, but did imply Unicron's hand in the proceedings. As Eire says, he (BT Nemmy) doesn't seem to be precisely the same entity as Universe/Alternity NP. Nothing is actually leaping out at me from the translated story that explicitly hints he's Binaltech Nemesis Prime, anyway. - Chris McFeely 17:46, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

Maaaaan, having two franchises called "Universe" can be damn confusing. Okay, so I've read a translation of Alternity Super-Black Convoy's bio, and the only reference I'm getting out of that is to 2003-Universe NP. I am seriously not at all seeing any implication, heavy or otherwise, that he's Binaltech Black Convoy or Alternators NP. Could someone please explain what I'm missing? - Jackpot 16:35, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

Ichikawa wrote Binaltech, and the second spark that was housed in Binaltech Nemesis Prime's body was that of the 2003 Universe Nemesis Prime. Alternity is a continuation of Binaltech in many ways, and seems to be written by Ichikawa as well. Our current translation Heavily parallels the events of Binaltech, and the eventual destruction of Binaltech Nemesis Prime.--Rosicrucian^Talk 16:43, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

What is the evidence that Binaltech Black Convoy (I'm using the Japanese name to try to keep all these incarnations straight) got 2003-Universe NP's spark? Reading a translation of the story where that happens, the source of BC's new life is vague in the extreme. I don't know where to find translations of his continued story, but this article's summary doesn't suggest anything more about his origin. I'm also not seeing how Alternity SBC's bio "heavily parallels" Binaltech BC's story. All it says is that he fought a fierce battle with the Cybertrons (I'm assuming that means "Autobots"?) and was defeated, which is pretty much what happened to 2003-Universe NP too. Of course, I'm assuming that Binaltech didn't have a 900,000-year flash-forward... - Jackpot 16:56, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

Alt/BT versus Classics

So we can agree that Alternators/Binaltech NP has some portion of Universe NP's spark, but they each have their own article on this wiki. Now, why would Classics NP be here on this article when his bio shares no connection at all to Alt/BT NP? It just seems funny that the two who share a spark are considered different characters, but Dr. Arkeville's clone and Straxus' twisted soldier are considered the same character. --Crockalley 09:10, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

There had been a discussion about this some while back, but I think it got lost in the crash. The logic was, the Alternators/Binaltech character and the Universe Classic Series character are both evil black-and-teal Prime clones in the G1 continuity family, so they should share an article. Just as, for instance, IDW Galvatron is in the same article with (most of) the other G1 Galvies that came before him, despite his unique origin. The connection you're suggesting between Binaltech Black Convoy and 2003-Universe NP is new to me. Does it have to do with the Alternity discussion up above? - Jackpot 16:42, 3 August 2009 (EDT)