Talk:Bot Shots (toyline)

So one day Hasbro decided, full out, "How can we break TFWiki's brains," and created these little guys that are a continuity family's worst nightmare: http://www.allspark.com/content/view/9850/20/ --ItsWalky 11:00, 19 January 2012 (EST)

I guess, really, they'll probably go in with Aligned, even though it's guys with G1 heads featuring movie characters like Barricade and DOTM Sentinel Prime. --ItsWalky 11:01, 19 January 2012 (EST)

I think that would be the best and easiest solution, yes. (Does Sentinel Zeta Prime count as "Sentinel Prime"?) —Interrobang 13:26, 19 January 2012 (EST)

God dammit, Aaron. I will hate you forever. -LV 14:14, 19 January 2012 (EST)

On the bright side, if they're part of Aligned, the articles don't get an unfortunate parenthetical. --abates 22:36, 19 January 2012 (EST)

In non Sentinel Prime news, I suspect they'll be sold in packaging that matches something else. But if not, well, we knew this day was coming sooner or later. -LV 22:46, 19 January 2012 (EST)

Not going to work too well, as a number of the figures now revealed clearly take designs ques from other lines. Jetfire, for instance, is clearly G1-based. Lockdown is from the movie line. Topspin is from Dark of the Moon. Mirage is... confused. For the time being, I changed the character links to match the closest 'source' for each figure, but I imagine that Bot Shots will either have it's own play brand (like RPMs) anyway. Either that, or Walky's brain will explode. - Vanguard 14:53, 30 January 2012 (EST)

It does seem like a multiversal toyline ala Robot Heroes. We'll need to amend the note if we're going to treat it that way though. --abates 15:37, 30 January 2012 (EST)

Personally, I would just wait for ToyFair and see how Hasbro's officially selling it and have done with it. It's only a couple of weeks away now, anyway. - Vanguard 15:42, 30 January 2012 (EST)

The Bot Shots Prime looks much more like an amalgamation of various versions of the character, to me. He has a cab that looks a heck of a lot more like Armada Prime's vehicle mode, even with a robot mode that skews closer to G1. 141.218.8.33 20:42, 30 January 2012 (EST)

I think we can call it settled now. Bot Shots are their own subline, according to their packaging. (www.allspark.com). So, they're effectively either NOT in continuity, like Robot Heroes, or are their OWN continuity... let the admin figure that one out! - Vanguard 13:26, 1 February 2012 (EST)

RPMs are their own line, and yet RPMs is not its own continuity family. --ItsWalky 13:43, 1 February 2012 (EST)

RPMs were also almost completely made of movie characters that looked like their movie versions, with only a couple of exceptions. Bot Shots have, so far, ZERO characters that look like their Prime counterparts. In fact, the designs are all over the place, with G1 or the movies getting the bulk of the attention. - Vanguard 14:21, 1 February 2012 (EST)

I'll admit I'm only basing this on the cardback image Rhinox posted on the 'Spark, but would that mean the Bot Shots Sentinel Prime is the same Sentinel as the Kre-O one? Because that's the one it ressembles. --Detour 13:44, 1 February 2012 (EST)

May I recommend the 'Aligned by default, unless they obviously go elsewhere' treatment?

But, so far, none of the toys actually are of the 'aligned' continuity... - Vanguard 14:21, 1 February 2012 (EST)

Also can we ask which continuity Sky Lynx (Energon Wars) belongs to for one of our Hasbro Q&A's? -Derik 13:49, 1 February 2012 (EST)

Movie-Verse. This was already fielded on WOTC's forums. (Edit: Just to clarify this point, the ENTIRE Energon Wars set is part of licensing for the movie line. That means that Optimus Primal and Beast Megatron, from this set, are officially movie-verse as well. Probably not the best logic to go with for the wiki, though.) - Vanguard 14:21, 1 February 2012 (EST)

The Movieverse crossed over with the Beast Wars already. Just try to think of it in that context.  ;) -Derik 22:36, 6 February 2012 (EST)

I think making them all Aligned is a pretty terrible idea. I also think making them their own universe when they almost certainly won't have any unique fiction or characterization is terrible, especially when many of them are based on really specific models. We DID assign Attacktix figures to their own various continuity families, so it's not without precedence. But if we do that, there WILL be arguments. -LV 21:05, 1 February 2012 (EST)

I would present Sentinel Prime (Kre-O) as our model here.--Rosicrucian^Talk 21:29, 1 February 2012 (EST)

Kre-O is a different issue because Kre-O somewhat implausibly has both individual character profiles and a not insignificant amount of "fiction". -LV 23:14, 1 February 2012 (EST)

*facepalm* Okay, Bumblebee and Prime currently link to their G1 selves, I guess. Well, sure, that's because their heads are very Classicsy, but that's all that's classicsy. Bumblebee's body is very strongly movie based, as is Optimus Prime's, and they both transform into vehicles that most closely resemble their movie versions. And yet, you know, G1 heads. Putting either "G1" or "Movie" down as their continuity-of-origin seems incredibly dishonest. --ItsWalky 20:19, 6 February 2012 (EST)

Could we just link them to the Disambig pages. That kinda works for me.--76.28.76.206 20:26, 6 February 2012 (EST)

Sure, why not. --ItsWalky 20:32, 6 February 2012 (EST)

It doesn't really solve the question of whose pages the actual toy writeups go on. -LV 20:58, 6 February 2012 (EST)

Maybe it would just be simpler to have "Optimus Prime (BS)" :P --abates 22:46, 6 February 2012 (EST)

I dunno, that sounds pretty made up to me. -Derik 22:49, 6 February 2012 (EST)

I feel like toys that don't obviously fit into only one continuity are going to be an increasingly common occurrence, since Transformers is exploding and continuity-nitpickery isn't Hasbro's deal, and I'm not sure I want to create a new continuity family every time that happens. That's why I was in favor of the Aligned designation for these guys to begin with, because Aligned as-existing is this mixmatch of styles that presents itself differently visually in various media as it pleases. WFC Prime is Prime Prime is RB Prime. I still feel like Bot Shots fits best into that world. --ItsWalky 23:12, 6 February 2012 (EST)