Talk:Bot Shots (toyline)

So one day Hasbro decided, full out, "How can we break TFWiki's brains," and created these little guys that are a continuity family's worst nightmare: http://www.allspark.com/content/view/9850/20/ --ItsWalky 11:00, 19 January 2012 (EST)

I guess, really, they'll probably go in with Aligned, even though it's guys with G1 heads featuring movie characters like Barricade and DOTM Sentinel Prime. --ItsWalky 11:01, 19 January 2012 (EST)

I think that would be the best and easiest solution, yes. (Does Sentinel Zeta Prime count as "Sentinel Prime"?) —Interrobang 13:26, 19 January 2012 (EST)

God dammit, Aaron. I will hate you forever. -LV 14:14, 19 January 2012 (EST)

On the bright side, if they're part of Aligned, the articles don't get an unfortunate parenthetical. --abates 22:36, 19 January 2012 (EST)

In non Sentinel Prime news, I suspect they'll be sold in packaging that matches something else. But if not, well, we knew this day was coming sooner or later. -LV 22:46, 19 January 2012 (EST)

Not going to work too well, as a number of the figures now revealed clearly take designs ques from other lines. Jetfire, for instance, is clearly G1-based. Lockdown is from the movie line. Topspin is from Dark of the Moon. Mirage is... confused. For the time being, I changed the character links to match the closest 'source' for each figure, but I imagine that Bot Shots will either have it's own play brand (like RPMs) anyway. Either that, or Walky's brain will explode. - Vanguard 14:53, 30 January 2012 (EST)

It does seem like a multiversal toyline ala Robot Heroes. We'll need to amend the note if we're going to treat it that way though. --abates 15:37, 30 January 2012 (EST)

Personally, I would just wait for ToyFair and see how Hasbro's officially selling it and have done with it. It's only a couple of weeks away now, anyway. - Vanguard 15:42, 30 January 2012 (EST)

The Bot Shots Prime looks much more like an amalgamation of various versions of the character, to me. He has a cab that looks a heck of a lot more like Armada Prime's vehicle mode, even with a robot mode that skews closer to G1. 141.218.8.33 20:42, 30 January 2012 (EST)

I think we can call it settled now. Bot Shots are their own subline, according to their packaging. (www.allspark.com). So, they're effectively either NOT in continuity, like Robot Heroes, or are their OWN continuity... let the admin figure that one out! - Vanguard 13:26, 1 February 2012 (EST)

RPMs are their own line, and yet RPMs is not its own continuity family. --ItsWalky 13:43, 1 February 2012 (EST)

RPMs were also almost completely made of movie characters that looked like their movie versions, with only a couple of exceptions. Bot Shots have, so far, ZERO characters that look like their Prime counterparts. In fact, the designs are all over the place, with G1 or the movies getting the bulk of the attention. - Vanguard 14:21, 1 February 2012 (EST)

I'll admit I'm only basing this on the cardback image Rhinox posted on the 'Spark, but would that mean the Bot Shots Sentinel Prime is the same Sentinel as the Kre-O one? Because that's the one it ressembles. --Detour 13:44, 1 February 2012 (EST)

May I recommend the 'Aligned by default, unless they obviously go elsewhere' treatment?

But, so far, none of the toys actually are of the 'aligned' continuity... - Vanguard 14:21, 1 February 2012 (EST)

Also can we ask which continuity Sky Lynx (Energon Wars) belongs to for one of our Hasbro Q&A's? -Derik 13:49, 1 February 2012 (EST)

Movie-Verse. This was already fielded on WOTC's forums. (Edit: Just to clarify this point, the ENTIRE Energon Wars set is part of licensing for the movie line. That means that Optimus Primal and Beast Megatron, from this set, are officially movie-verse as well. Probably not the best logic to go with for the wiki, though.) - Vanguard 14:21, 1 February 2012 (EST)

The Movieverse crossed over with the Beast Wars already. Just try to think of it in that context.  ;) -Derik 22:36, 6 February 2012 (EST)

I think making them all Aligned is a pretty terrible idea. I also think making them their own universe when they almost certainly won't have any unique fiction or characterization is terrible, especially when many of them are based on really specific models. We DID assign Attacktix figures to their own various continuity families, so it's not without precedence. But if we do that, there WILL be arguments. -LV 21:05, 1 February 2012 (EST)

I would present Sentinel Prime (Kre-O) as our model here.--Rosicrucian^Talk 21:29, 1 February 2012 (EST)

Kre-O is a different issue because Kre-O somewhat implausibly has both individual character profiles and a not insignificant amount of "fiction". -LV 23:14, 1 February 2012 (EST)

*facepalm* Okay, Bumblebee and Prime currently link to their G1 selves, I guess. Well, sure, that's because their heads are very Classicsy, but that's all that's classicsy. Bumblebee's body is very strongly movie based, as is Optimus Prime's, and they both transform into vehicles that most closely resemble their movie versions. And yet, you know, G1 heads. Putting either "G1" or "Movie" down as their continuity-of-origin seems incredibly dishonest. --ItsWalky 20:19, 6 February 2012 (EST)

Could we just link them to the Disambig pages. That kinda works for me.--76.28.76.206 20:26, 6 February 2012 (EST)

Sure, why not. --ItsWalky 20:32, 6 February 2012 (EST)

It doesn't really solve the question of whose pages the actual toy writeups go on. -LV 20:58, 6 February 2012 (EST)

Maybe it would just be simpler to have "Optimus Prime (BS)" :P --abates 22:46, 6 February 2012 (EST)

I dunno, that sounds pretty made up to me. -Derik 22:49, 6 February 2012 (EST)

I feel like toys that don't obviously fit into only one continuity are going to be an increasingly common occurrence, since Transformers is exploding and continuity-nitpickery isn't Hasbro's deal, and I'm not sure I want to create a new continuity family every time that happens. That's why I was in favor of the Aligned designation for these guys to begin with, because Aligned as-existing is this mixmatch of styles that presents itself differently visually in various media as it pleases. WFC Prime is Prime Prime is RB Prime. I still feel like Bot Shots fits best into that world. --ItsWalky 23:12, 6 February 2012 (EST)

I agree. I think it's simply easier to default to Aligned unless it's evident otherwise. —Interrobang 23:23, 6 February 2012 (EST)

Aligned-until-proven-different seems like a sane approach. IIRC Hasbro's made noises about Aligned being the new 'unified' continuity they're trying to fit everything into when possible. -Derik 03:02, 7 February 2012 (EST)

I'm in favor of this approach. --M Sipher 05:51, 7 February 2012 (EST)

I think that's logical and is likely what we'll go with. The only other option I can see working decently is to put all the Bot Shot toys on the Bot Shots page. Making their subline/game more in portent than the fictional (without fiction) character they represent. I doubt we'll go with that, as the previous option seems more "our style" but just throwing it out there as one other way to go.--76.28.76.206 12:29, 7 February 2012 (EST)

I think it may be time to reopen this discussion. It seems increasingly obvious that these have little to nothing to do with the Aligned versions of their respective characters, nor with any of our other continuities. I believe it's time to split these guys off onto their own pages. - Shellspark 23:50, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

I'm leaning pretty damn heavy now to having the Bot Shots be their own thing. Since we DO have character bios and a bit of fiction thanks to the online game... --M Sipher 23:52, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

I agree. -LV 00:28, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

If there are no objections, I'll start switching things over tomorrow. - Shellspark 13:13, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

Parts reuse

How much parts reuse should be noted with Bot Shots? Looking at Brawl and the tank Megatrons, it looks like they share the same arm pieces, and it looks like Barricade and Mirage share arms, car bodies and legs... --Detour 05:29, 10 March 2012 (EST)

Upon closer inspection, it looks like Barricade, Mirage and Bumblebee all share the same car body, arms and legs. --Detour 03:22, 11 March 2012 (EDT)

Super Bots not better?

Compairing the stat numbers on Super Bot vs. Normal Sentinel Prime. I don't think the Super Bot is really "more powerful" at all. The Stats are different but that's all I'd say. Can anyone compair Super BB to Normal and see if they're the same as well? We might want to change that bit. --76.28.76.206 17:53, 12 April 2012 (EDT)

Regardless of whether we take "more powerful" to mean having a higher total score between the three stats or to have one particularly high stat, the super bots are not especially powerful, SB Megatron is actually weaker than the launcher Megatron in both regards. Their overall scores are actually very similar to those of the normal or three pack figures. Sentinel presents an odd case though, his stats are noticeably higher in both regards. Perhaps rather than claiming that all super bot shots have higher stats it would be better to note that super bot Sentinel's (and only Sentinel's) are abnormally high. Thelastallosaur 16:52, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

No Article for the Online Game? Should it go here?

We really have no article about the Botshot's online video game after this long? Should it be added here or get it's own page? It's kinda an important tie in to the toys. --76.28.76.206 19:05, 12 May 2012 (EDT)

It should have its own page. --abates 20:17, 12 May 2012 (EDT)

BeCool Cartoon

Found a this weird video section On the official BeCool website.Its uses The bot shots toys to make a puppet-show like ting. Link: [www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/becool/world.html] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Espadrille (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

Well, here's the titles if anybody else wants to translate them better...

1. 信号は守ろうね!のまき ("The Story of Protecting the Signal!")
2. 出動! 消防隊のまき ("The Story of the Fire Brigade Dispatch!")
3. ビークールマークって、しってる?のまき ("The Story of What Do I Know About the BeCool Mark?")
4. クイズ!ビークールのまき ("The Story of the BeCool Quiz!")
5. 自己紹介編 ("The Self-Introduction Chapter")
6. びっくりだいじゅうたい!のまき ("The Story of the Surprising and Big Traffic Jam!")
7. トレーラーさんだいかつやく!のまき ("The Story of Mister Trailer's Big Success!")
8. まいごのひこうき!のまき ("The Story of the Lost Plane!")

Mimi 01:38, 1 October 2013 (EDT)

Notes

That note about considering them as separate characters is outdated. Shouldn't it be deleted or updated in some way?--Fritz (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2015 (EST)

Bot shots engineering seeming return

https://twitter.com/portarmy/status/1783408873103315293?t=QxEofsBi_PwPfBSNzBbnQw&s=19 Is this worth noting here? Poliwag06 (talk) 05:54, 25 April 2024 (EDT)

hmmm user:Cyberlink420? Help me

Hey Cyberlink420 I want change Bot Shots official website. Can you change the Bot Shots website to an archive version? user:1542bumblebee (talk)