Talk:Ancient

In the ROTF book, "Sound Like the Transformers" (the one with a voice-modifying microphone), it equates the ancients with the original thirteen. So at the very least we need to disambiguate. Let me quote:

The symbols tell how we began. We were ruled by the Ancients - the first 13 Transformers. The forged the Matrix of Leadership, a key used to power a great machine. It destroys suns and collects their Energon. The Ancients agreed never to use this power on a planet with life. One of the Ancients, the Fallen, defied that rule. He destroyed the other Ancients - all but one, who saved the Matrix. ...{{#if:|{{{quote2}}}}}{{#if:Jetfire|Jetfire{{#if:|, {{{3}}}|}}|}}

So it's the usual ROTF adaptation story, what with the one surviving Prime, but it sure likes to use the word "Ancients." --ItsWalky 10:16, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

I think maybe we can put this in the Trivia as something like:

"In the Revenge of the Fallen book "Sound Like the Transformers" (Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Voice Changer?), Jetfire mention the first 13 Transformers as the Ancients. Whether the term "Ancients" here is a description/pronoun or literally meaning the "Ancients" mentioned in Cybertron anime is still unclear due to the lack of any further information.

--TX55^TALK 11:26, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

I very much doubt we can or should suggest that this Revenge of the Fallen childrens book was making a reference to the Cybertron cartoon. --ItsWalky 11:38, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

"Ancient" is a very non-specific term. I think Master of the Game is the only real fiction that treats it as if it were a real group and not just a descriptor.--Rosicrucian^Talk 11:41, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

I'm with Rosh on this. TF's always had alternating Council of elders/Council of ancients going on. (Often referring ot the same council.) It's a virtually generic term... except in Master of the Game where they're trying to use it to refer to the original 13.

I can't really blame Japan for wanting a better term-- "13 Original Transformers" is clumsy, and "13 Prototypes" (from WOTF) is inaccurate. And the usual fallback (Greek) yields "Triskaidekasetti," which is just... no. -Derik 12:07, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

Just wanted to add, the PSP ROTF game also has the Fallen refering to his comrades as the "Ancients". Straxus 15:47, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

I wonder if this could be their insignia? - Tito-Mosquito 23:30, 19 January 2013 (EST)

List of Ancients vs Picture of Ancients

Why are Vector Prime & Logos Prime listed as Ancients when clearly the image of the ancients are the G1 incarnations of Optimus Prime, Hot Rod, Ultra Magnus, & Jazz. --67.187.26.29 11:52, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

Vector Prime and Logos Prime are officially confirmed. While the main picture are just generic Ancients with Generation One Optimus Prime, Hot Rod, Ultra Magnus, and Jazz's character models. --TX55^TALK 22:22, 12 August 2009 (EDT)