Talk:Covenant of Primus

Argh. Why is this pasted from the Wikipedia article? A wikipedia article that's flagged for improper wiki formatting? This needs a total rewrite, and is useless in its current form. --ItsWalky 18:22, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I swear up, down, back, forth and sideways that I once read that the second copy of the Covenant was not on the Nemesis, but was stolen by Tarantulas before leaving Cybertron, who then left it on the Nemesis, where Megatron found it. Am I going nuts? - Chris McFeely 00:22, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't ring any bells to me. The only thing we're told is that there's two copies, one on the Ark and one on the Nemesis. Anything beyond that has been left alone, I'm pretty sure. --ItsWalky 00:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Mmn, it's just that they never actually say that the second copy was on the Nemesis from the start. Primal says "One copy was aboard the Ark," so that's clear-cut, but when Megatron speaks of the second copy being on the Nemesis, he mentions it as part of a list that also consists of the Predacon control console and the transwarp cell, both of which are the work of Tarantulas, as if the Covenant being there was his doing as well. I have no idea where I actually READ that he pilfered it, but for whatever reason, that's what I've believed up until now without giving it much thought. - Chris McFeely 00:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure where Tarantulas would get a CoP, though, or why he would even have one. It's G1 Megatron who has the Covenant of Primus boner (at least, in Dreamwave continuity, and it's implied he took his name from it as well), so it makes sense to me it was there to begin with. --ItsWalky 00:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Hadn't thought of G1 Megs's connection to the book... makes sense. Damn, though, I just wish I could figure out where the fudge I read that! - Chris McFeely 00:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Aaaand since I was quote hunting for the answer below, the full quote re the covenant is: "Excellent! Even after his demise, the spider's treachery remains my best asset. Observe! A refurbished ship with a transwarp cell. A Predacon control console. And, best of all, a Covenant of Primus!" He's totally crediting Tarantulas with the Covenant being there. - Chris McFeely 00:54, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Did Megatron (BW) name himself after the verses int he CoP? others and the impression that he needs in cell after generation one Megatron Who had named himself after the covenant of primus . -Derik 00:44, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

this will teach me to attempt to use my voice recognition software on the WIKI . -Derik 00:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

In "Nemesis," Part 1, Megsy specifically says, "It was from these tracks that I took my name." He chose to name himself after the god-like figure of destruction the book spoke of, who he would ultimately turn out to actually be. It's probably more widely-believed that he took it from G1 Megatron, though, and Dreamwave didn't help that when they had him change his name after reading the information on the Golden Disk, as he if was changing his name after reading about his predecessor. It is, of course, much more fun to think that G1 Megatron took the name from the Covenant as well, so it was actually HE who took BW Megs's name, rather than the other way around. - Chris McFeely 00:52, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

But how did BW Megatron know about that passage if the only copies of the Covenant were on Earth? I always kind of assumed that it was a time paradox with BW Megs taking his name from the original Megatron who in turn took it from the Covenant passage written about BW Megatron (...wow that's confusing), but considering Beast Wars' take on time travel I'm not so sure that makes sense.

Both copies weren't on Earth. There's no indication of what happened to the Covenants between G1 and BW - the one from the Ark may have been taken back to Cybertron, and he read it from that. And as has been discussed a while back, the other copy was not aboard the Nemesis, having been on Cybertron until it was brought back by Tarantulas, so Megs could have stuck his nose in that one, too. - Chris McFeely 22:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Caption source?

Are the "books" mentioned in the caption ACTUALLY from something or are they somply made up as a joke? If the latter I would suggest changing it as it's potentially missleading which is a no-no in our humor. --71.235.142.128 14:26, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

As works well when we went to clarify something as a joke, without ruining the joke, I added a Pratchett-esque footnote. JW 15:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Perfect. Good job. And thank you. --71.235.142.128 15:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Apelinq quote

I thought the "Cursed curiosity compelled me to stay" thing from Omega Point was just Apelinq self-narrating why he decided to fight Shokaract when he could have just gone home to Beast Machines. When is it suggested that it's from TF scripture? --Thylacine 2000 15:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Tengu, Apelinq Journals. --ItsWalky 15:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

And, dammit, that line is cited! What do you need me for? --ItsWalky 15:41, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Interpretation

I have a problem with following Interpretation of one of the lines:

The "sun and its brother" are Sunstorm and Starscream.

This makes no sense, since Sunstorm is not really a G1 character and was invented way after Beast Wars, I suggest that it gets taken down. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dead Metal (talk • contribs) 17:52, 29 April 2008.

The line is from the Dreamwave Generation One comic. As indicated by the article. —Interrobang 18:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Really? still I would somehow put that into a different continuety section thingy, since the DW G1 stuff isn't part of the cartoon continuety. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dead Metal (talk • contribs) 08:25, 11 May 2008.

Exodus

I'm not done reading it yet, but it seems Exodus is going to prompt a revamp of this article. It doesn't contradict anything here, from what I can tell. However, it does explain a great deal of things already in the article.--Rosicrucian^Talk 01:15, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

I think the Exodus stuff should be split out. The modern continuity seems to be its own thing and doesn't affect other continuities. Having Exodus info in the introduction doesn't seem appropriate. - Starfield 17:11, 18 January 2011 (EST)

I also think mixing the info from Exodus with the rest of G1 is not a great idea. 'Megatronus' is no name that ever appeared in G1, it also doesn't really make sense for Megatron to take that name (as he does in the movie-continuity) since megatron is simply called 'megatron' in the covenant. War for Cybertron is officially a different continuity --Aureole 16:27, 12 March 2011 (EST)

With artifacts we generally treat all continuities together unless there's a signifigant difference in what the item is. Look at the Matrix page. So it should stay on this page certainly, but yeah, info from seperate continuities should be presented as from seperate continuities.--76.28.76.206 18:25, 12 March 2011 (EST)

Alpha Trion's narrations in Exiles

There are six sections of the Exiles novel that are narrated by Alpha Trion. In some places in these texts, he uses phrases like "as I write here in this book" to describe how he's telling his story to the readers. Would these six narrations of his be counted as excerpts from the Covenant (like how the one betwene chapters 15 and 16 in Exodus was)? --Sabrblade 13:24, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

Aligned Covenant

Exodus

The Covenant of Primus lay open on Alpha Trion’s desk. He had created it in the aftermath of the War of the Primes.

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Great events find great Cybertronians, [Orion Pax] had read somewhere in one of the versions of the Covenant that circulated through the Hall’s archives. And other times, great events make great Cybertronians.

Exiles

Before leaving Cybertron, during his last consultation with Alpha Trion, Optimus Prime had asked whether he might take a copy of the Covenant with him. Alpha Trion had informed him that that was not possible. “The Covenant does not permit itself to be copied,” he had said. “It does not even permit some parts of itself to be memorized.”

The Covenant of Primus

[Alpha Trion] was gifted with two artefacts: the Covenant, which truly came from and belonged to Primus himself, and in which much was written by Primus's will, and the Quill, with which [Alpha Trion] wrote [his] own observations.

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Ha ha ha ha...--Monzo (talk) 14:35, 24 October 2015 (EDT)