Talk:Floro Dery

I'm sorry, but has anyone proved thatOte was Dery? Or is this more whiny liberal famdom bullshit?

"liberal fandom"? The hell? --Andrusi 13:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh man, we have Floro Dery editing the wiki? This is awesome. --Suki Brits 13:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Aw, dude, you totally freakin' stole the joke I was JUST making and couldn't post because you made it while I was making it. :) Anyhoooo... I don't think it was actually PROVEN that Ote was Dery, but, y'know... it's REALLY likely. - Chris McFeely 13:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I knew this day would come. --ItsWalky 16:25, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

That's not ote; ote could spell. There was that joy of ote ratcheting up his description across two threads... He first claimed to be a production assistant, then production designer, and vehemently stating we were all racists against Filipinos, despite only maybe two of us knowing he was actually Filipino. Not that anyone ever brought it up other than ote anyway... The joy of being very, very, extremely probably trolled by a TF great for noting contradictions in interviews has never lost its luster to me. I should have taken screenshots.--MCRG 04:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Walky managed to copy paste most of the good stuff on his Livejournal back when it happened. If you look around his archives (or just a google), they should still be there. --FFN 06:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I know he got most of the main thread, but I have yet to dig up the insta-deleted "Who's A Racist Robot" thread in any capacity. I wasn't in that one, sadly, but I read it for the fifteen insane minutes it lasted.--MCRG 07:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Checking around some things, it seems Floro Dery named his daughter... Flor Dery. Don't know if that's noteworthy or not. Okey dokey.--MCRG 04:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

So, I'm doing a commentary for the new UK DVD of the movie tomorrow, I'm last-minute info-scrounging mode, and Dery comes up on my list of topics. Now, Ote was probably him... so how about THIS GUY? "Dery is great" posts in ATT? Contributions to a fillipino newsgroup? Mercy. - Chris McFeely 22:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Dude, or THIS guy!! - Chris McFeely 22:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh god. --ItsWalky 01:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

He has arisen again. The "Kuest" name, if I recall, was an AOL address of his at one point, so I'm definitely betting that's him. I'm sort of skeptical of the TNI guy, however. I think he may just have latched on to what minimal info he had and ran with it. His point on Unicron is especially funny, however, since I believe the Diaclone planet design actually predates Transformers. The "are you paid by a toy company to discredit Floro" is just weird.--MCRG 07:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... "Kuest144" pointed it out himself - "The reason why my e-mail address and Floro Dery's web site are the same is because I am letting him use my screen name. He ran out of space on his other web sites." Considering the number of sites Dery has set up (I've run across about four on AOL), I find that odd. The rest of his posts are very much in line with ote, minus the cries of racism, or at least none that I've seen yet. Awesome.--MCRG 07:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

stuff from allspark thread --FortMax 03:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Hahaha. My favorite part is when obviously-Ote responds at the bottom, starting with, "What was the name of this guy, ote? Yeah, you are all racists." --ItsWalky 17:21, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Current Dery troll

I'm not so sure this guy is Floro Dery. I admit, I have no experience with him and avoid blogs (there are some psychos out there) but the current guy seems too stupid to understand our arguments. His own posts are rather difficult to understand, and he somehow claims that our arguments reinforce his own extremely flawed ones. -- SFH 00:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

If you read any of the interviews that have been conducted with him over the years, you will see that the mannerisms are extremely similar. --Steve-o 00:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, but if you read the troll's current post, his logic is more than a little...absent. Seriously, I can't even understand it. -- SFH 00:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Sadly, that's an indication that it is, indeed, Floro Dery. --ItsWalky 00:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Current troll is at the least claiming to be an associate of Mr. Dery, apparently in contact with him regarding the publishing of an art book.--Rosicrucian^Talk 00:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Again, that's what happened the last couple times. --M Sipher 00:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Seventh verse, same as the first! --ItsWalky 01:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Original model sheet?

Where's that comparison pic of Sideswipe before and after being "Deryized" from? I've never seen the original models before, and I'm intrigued.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.60.161.100 (talk • contribs).

"The Art of Floro Dery" site is gone?

Did the "The Art of Floro Dery" site move somewhere, and/or did anyone save a copy? I wanted to look up some of his stuff that didn't make it into The Ark for a character I'm researching... but Archive.org only has a partial copy. -Derik 02:09, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

It went offline a few months ago. --ItsWalky 02:49, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

More Information

"Not only is he an illustrator of komiks, but he is also a painter, a designer, a writer, a screen director, a Major at the Philippine Military Academy, and a mathematics professor. Floro Dery holds the distinction as the only Filipino comics illustrator to be a PhD holder, a Doctor of Philosophy in Mathematics." From http://www.alanguilan.com/sanpablo/2005_10_01_archives.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.76.165.7 (talk • contribs).

Alternate Header Image

Hey guys, I found a self portrait by Dery here done in 2002. Granted it doesn't really differ much from the photo, but it's a larger image. Is a photo preferable in this case?--MCRG 20:51, 13 September 2012 (EDT)

Cleanup

About half of this article is dedicated to some random series of internet trolls from over a decade ago who may not even be him. Rik Alvarez's article dedicates about half of one sentence to Play With This Too. Pete Sinclair's ongoing misadventures with social media also gets one sentence. Derrick J. Wyatt's feud with the Allspark Almanac writers gets absolutely nothing in his article. All of these are figures whose drama has a long paper trail clearly tying things back to them, and some of which is clearly tied into The Brand and its public perception. Why does Floro Dery's article feature a borderline roll call of all his fanboys/sockpuppets? Like, sure, maybe they were Dery, but if I were Floro Dery and I saw that half my article was dedicated to internet arguments (down to the most prominent thing in the article being a quote from one of those internet debates), then yeah, I'd kind of assume that the people writing the wiki had a grudge against me personally. A good chunk of these links have rotted, even; some aren't even archived in any capacity.

What's more, several of the things in "the legend of Dery" are steeped in what are pretty blatantly bad-faith readings. His title caption has him bragging about designing "all the Transformers", when Dery himself claims, in a linked interview, that he mostly designed incidental characters and the initial animation designs came from Japan, until the movie, when he designed everything (all of which is, as far as I can tell, true). It seems to suggest that his claim of designing the incidental robot and human characters is him exaggerating, with no evidence to the contrary beyond incredulity; the interview certainly gives him plenty of chances to brag or make up claims, but he mostly refutes them (for instance, claiming he didn't make up the color schemes).

It also casts doubt on the idea that he came up with Unicron and credits the design instead to Hiroyuki Hataike... even though Haitake's design and Dery's design look very little like each other beyond the broadest concept of a transforming planet with rings (and even the rings are something Dery had his own wacky reasoning for including). Like, which feels more likely: that Dery was given reams of unreleased Micro Change concept art, picked up the Planet Robo, and then redesigned it to the point of being borderline unrecognizable, or that Dery just went "hey, what if a PLANET was a Transformer?" and worked up from there, in a series that already had a mechanical planet to work with? Considering he apparently didn't know about Metroplex when designing Autobot City initially, I sincerely doubt it was the latter. (Side note: Hataike, who has never worked on Transformers in any official capacity, has an article on this wiki specifically to point out this connection, with the originator of the article claiming they created it to call Dery out! At this point, I'm curious as to whether the book that concept art comes from even acknowledges the connection.)

Basically, it feels like the article as it stands is in major need of cleanup, because as it stands, it's bordering on a hatchet job. As far as I can tell, at worst, this guy's sockpuppeted a few times, made a false claim or two about a series that was decades old at the time, and acted like a weirdo. There are some other internet drama-focused articles on the wiki (i.e. Men in Black Productions), but those generally only happen when the drama is pretty much the only notable thing they've done. And that definitely isn't the case for Dery; I dunno if you could credit G1's success to Dery, but I don't think you could find a person more responsible for the show's aesthetic, and the part of the franchise where his influence was most clear was also basically held as gospel for the show's early fandom. He was clearly a talented, creative guy who put his whole ass into a project that most people saw as disposable garbage. Is he a perfect human being? No, but I think "designed about two-thirds of the characters in the original series and everything in the movie" and "sockpuppeted on Usenet" are not equivalent feats. Should it be mentioned? Sure, probably; you can make a little snide joke about how he's definitely not Charlie Alvarado. But it shouldn't take up half of his article.--MBG (talk) 14:08, 25 August 2021 (EDT)