Talk:Jetfire (G1)

because this wiki is character-focal, not toy-focal, I think this entry should be listed as Skyfire, not Jetfire. he was Skyfire in every major continuity, ever. That his toy had a different name is a detail for a footnote. Add a redirect under jetfire. -D-rok

Except for the Marvel comics. And the Dreamwave comics. WHOOPS. He's Skyfire in one out of three fictions, one out of four once you factor in the toys. So no, under Jetfire he should stay; the cartoon is the abberation. -- M Sipher

Sipher's right. He was not in Skyfire in every major continuity, only the cartoon. He was Jetfire in every single continuity BUT one. --ItsWalky 22:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

...seriously? *rubs forehead* Man, i remembered it the other way around. I guess I'm too used to mentally correcting for it... :~(

• • Marvel TFU entry
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How is a bio printed in a magazine connsidered a toy? X-BoB58 02:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the Jetfire that appeared in the G2 Manga was the same Jetfire that appeared in the cartoon series. For one thing, he was always referred to as "Skyfire", even in toy-form. This Jetfire would not appear to be the same character as Skyfire.--DrSpengler 05:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

He was the same character in the US, but IIRC, in Japan, the 3 Cyberjets (who were all old characters in the US) were new characters. -Derik 12:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, thats what I heard. So I'll just teleport that manga summary to something like "Jetfire (G2)" and that'll be fine? Or should I just put a note saying that they're difference characters in Japan but the same character in the US?--DrSpengler 18:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

The latter sounds good. --ItsWalky 22:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

...I'm gonna go with Walky, provisionally. If Japan ever re-issues the Cyberjets or somethign with more story attached tot hem, this tac might change- but it's just... such a... footnote.

...wait, were the G2 Autobot Cyberjets Decepticon defectors? (Or something?) Wasnt' there... something else doing on? -Derik 22:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Animated Continuity

I think "Fire in the Mountain" took place in Peru, not Brazil as stated in the article. I will confirm and correct if I find out for sure. --Suzyprime 14:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's Peru, according to Fire on the Mountain. --FFN 05:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Autobot Symbol

I recently bought the Classics Jetfire figure, but there's something a little odd, and the source of debate on a few TF forums I frequent. The Autobot symbols on his wings are orange. Well, they are on my figure. Is this the case with the others? Seen from a distance, it's definitely orange. Closer, though, it appears to darken to red. It's odd. Which is it, orange, or red? —Interrobang 16:05, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

Image storage

Putting here so it doesn't show up in the unused file list. —Interrobang 16:05, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

Just curious...

Just curious, what's the rationale behind having the G1 cartoon stuff here rather than on a Skyfire page? - SanityOrMadness 15:03, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

Skyfire is Jetfire. --ItsWalky 15:13, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

"Jetfire" in G.I. Joe

I knew I had these somewhere. From G.I. Joe: Special Missions #5:

Slip-Stream and "Jetfire"

Close-up

Question/response about it from issue 7 letters page

I dunno if this should go on Jetfire's page, on the G.I. Joe page, or what. Issue #5 is dated June 1987, meaning it was published after the G.I. Joe/Transformers crossover (dated November 1986 to February 1987). Or is this exchange already brought up somewhere? --Monzo 04:54, 4 April 2010 (EDT)

Dark Skyfire

Should Dark Skyfire get his own page? His bio clearly establishes him as a different character. Terrortron 16:12, 1 May 2010 (EDT)

Is that why it says "he operated in the same organization as Skyfire", in the Dark Skyfire section of the article? I'm guessing this means that "Skyfire" and "Dark Skyfire" are two separate entities. By th way, that section of the article uses the word "Destron" instead of "Decepticon". I'm pretty sure that's against wiki policy. Anyway, split page ? Item42 23:49, 17 June 2010 (EDT)

Destron is the Japanese name for the Decepticons. Henkei Henkei is a Japanese toyline/fiction, and is probably used on Skyfire's bio itself. So, uh, why would using "Destron" be against policy? --Jeysie 00:04, 18 June 2010 (EDT)

Either way, if the article was split he'd be listed as a Decepticon. Terrortron 05:26, 18 June 2010 (EDT)

Maybe not against policy, but I thought using English-based names was the standard. The sections of Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity regarding Japanese fiction still call him "Optimus Prime", and not "Convoy". The section on Kup (G1) regarding the Headmasters cartoon use "Kup" and not "Chea"/"Cha". From Here to Alternity uses the word "Autobots" in the article itself. So, my point is, English-based names are used even when summarising Japanese fiction. Thus, having "Destron" while referring to "Decepticon" within an article here is rather strange from what I can tell.

Anyway, is Dark Skyfire a separate character? Item42 06:08, 18 June 2010 (EDT)

I think it's pretty clear that he is. Terrortron 19:52, 18 June 2010 (EDT)

Isn't Dark Skyfire just Skyfire before he became an Autobot?TOM 11:40, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

His bio says he worked alongside Skyfire.Terrortron 03:07, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

I agree Dark Skyfire should be given his own page, until a piece of fiction contradicts or retcons his toy bio.ACIDSTORM92 15:46, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

Why are we even discussing this? They're two different dudes. Split the fuck out of 'em. ---Blackout- 16:01, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

Hey, guys, let's take one badly translated paragraph and treat it as the word of God. —Interrobang 16:47, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

For fucks' sake, did nobody bother to check the Dark Skyfire talk page? —Interrobang 16:54, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

I feel Belgian. (Note: For the purposes of this post, I am using "Belgian" as a synonym for "stupid".) ---Blackout- 16:57, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

Lol. This ended up as the worst case of mistranslation this wiki has faced, I'm happy this has been resolved.ACIDSTORM92 23:47, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

Moving the following from Talk: Dark Skyfire so that that page can be deleted--Khajidha 08:38, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/277807-black-henkei-jetfire-7.html#post4301072

This seems to just be Skyfire. --ItsWalky 03:00, 12 November 2009 (EST)

http://www.toyhobby.jp/commodity_param/ctc/2/shc/0/cmc/4904810376705/

The profile confirmed that he is Skyfire as a Decepticons before the faction's militarization. --TX55^TALK 06:27, 15 December 2009 (EST)

I fully expect Fun Publications to repurpose this as SG Skyfire. ---Blackout- 10:25, 15 December 2009 (EST)

Autobot Leader Jetfire

I see the wiki has a small blurb and a bad scan of the Dutch comic featuring Jetfire as leader of the autobots. Are you wiki people aware that his initial Dutch MB released toy also marks him as leader? He has a multilanguage techspec and is only leader in Dutch moon talk ;) I could take some pics, scans, whatever if you guys want? Prime was only ever autobot commander. Technically Jetfire outranks him here. Here's a quick picture. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Argus (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/argusshaitan/IMAG0133.jpg

Argus, do you have the minicomic that depicts Jetfire as Autobot leader? A full scan of that would be amazing - I don't think that's ever been on the internet. --Monzo 10:20, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

Bizarre that his Dutch function would be completely different than those of the other translations--especially when it seems they all have the same motto. --Thylacine 2000 10:28, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

I do. It's been on the net though. I donated a copy for free to some guy using the nick Ginrai who was all Jetfire crazy back in the day. No idea where my leaflets are at the moment though but I do own a good enough scanner these days. Back then just giving a copy away was cheaper than having it scanned :)

The function and reasons for even the real Optimus being called Jetfire in the initial translations are allready in the Wiki I think. The motto's are indeed all the same bar some translation related minor details. Some words just don't map 100% onto another. --84.241.248.128 09:14, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

While I'll give you that "guardian del aire" and "luftkampfer" are the same (and even stretch the point for "gardien spatial", for "aerospace guardian"), "leider van de autobots" is nowhere near the same. It is a very obvious translation of "leader of the autobots" or "autobot leader". --Khajidha 08:39, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

That's pretty much the whole point of this discussion ;) --84.241.248.128 09:16, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

I know that. However, the guy I responded to doesn't seem to understand this. I was simply pointing out the fact that the Dutch motto is not the same (as he claimed), but is completely different (as Thy stated). --Khajidha 09:29, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

Strike everything I've said, I was seeing "motto" and thinking "function". --Khajidha 09:32, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

classics toy

"The jet mode pays homage to Generation 2 Jetfire in being a swing wing aircraft,"

The original G1 toy was also swing wing, so how is this an homage to Gen2 instead of the original? 76.226.135.49 16:31, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

Yeah, wow. That's apparently been added all the way back in 2007... and in any case, the entire sentence seems to be some freakish mangling of the English language. --Detour 16:48, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

About the arms and legs rotating "pointlessly" below their mid-joints: The arms do this so that you can hide the gaping holes in the forearms when you take out the missile launchers, and the legs so that the way it's posed can be more dynamic and/or stable. I recommend changing this it "unusually" since there is a point, just not a very orthodox one. --King Starscream 16:45, 20 February 2012 (EST)

Redesign and Harmony Gold (The Transformers Classics, Vol. 1)

An editor's note in The Transformers Classics, Vol. 1 reveals the reason why Jetfire was redesigned. It says that Harmony Gold disallowed Hasbro the animation rights because Transformers was successful and broadcast world wide. I don't know how much that makes sense. I guess Bandai licensed the American toy to Hasbro but the American animation rights to Harmony Gold? Anyway, there you go. - Starfield 16:44, 16 November 2011 (EST)

Harmony Gold was the US company who had the rights to the Robotech anime, so that makes sense. --abates 17:13, 16 November 2011 (EST)

It makes a certain sense BUT I'd still like an official source to know its not just the essay writter's best guess presented as fact.--76.28.76.206 19:03, 16 November 2011 (EST)

I'll second that, given what I've seen from this author before. - Chris McFeely 06:02, 17 November 2011 (EST)

The explanation didn't quite make sense. It talked about Harmony Gold blocking the animation rights to Hasbro because Transformers was being broadcast world wide, but Harmony Gold had the American interests in Robotech, not Japanese interest. Maybe I'll have to read it again next time I'm in the store. - Starfield 10:07, 17 November 2011 (EST)

I think it sounds like speculation, and also it doesn't actually make sense that Harmony Gold could prevent Hasbro from advertising their toy in their toy cartoon, but also Harmony Gold threatens to sue basically anyone who ever does anything that even resembles anything involving Robotech, so I would totally believe they tried it anyway. -LV

HG didn't really behave like this until the early 90's when the distribution rights to Macross in Japan were cleared and they trademarked everything they could get away with because they got scared Bandai/Nue/Tatsunoko/WE would breach into their turf. Takeshi357 (talk) 10:16, 18 February 2015 (EST)

It says Bandai denied Takara toy distribution rights and Hasbro animation rights. The way its worded can sorta-kinda look like it Harmony Gold did this, but it's really just saying that Bandai sold the rights of the Veritech Fighter to Harmony Gold and disallowed Hasbro/Takara the Jetfire rights.--Sabrblade 18:06, 7 December 2011 (EST)

Jetfire carnival mirror

http://dinosaurdracula.com/blog/carnival-mirror-prizes/ First thing here is quite the curiosity. Do we have more information about this thing, if it's a legitimate licensed piece of merch? Antimatter (talk) 00:28, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

Black clip on Generation 1 toy

"The piece is used to hold Jetfire's rifle via the clip attached to the arm, as well as under the jetmode as a belly gun."

Does the clip actually do anything in jet mode? To the best of my recollection it doesn't - the arms and legs are too close together for the clip to attach. I've scoured the Internet for a picture, and while I can find images of the clip applied in robot mode (after removing the arm armor), I can't find any images of the gun secured in jet mode, Macross-style. I don't have the toy to 100% confirm, though. --Orogogus (talk) 14:04, 20 May 2015 (EDT)