Talk:Optimus Prime (RID)

I've noticed that all the links that read "Optimus Prime (RID)" don't direct here because of the uppercase "I". Is it worth a redirect from "(RID)" or should we just fix the uppercase "I" every time we see them? --DrSpengler 20:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Much as I dig the Universe incarnation coloration... I think we should probably use an "original" color picture. --M Sipher 01:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Universe RiD mini-Prime?

I'm fuzzy on the details... but is the Basic-sized Wal*Mart RiD Prime considered a separate character? He was in the OTFCC 04 script reading as a specifically alt-universe version, yes? --M Sipher 02:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, he was. All the little Spychanger guys were from a distinct universe. Everyone's small there. --ItsWalky 13:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Costco exclusive

Doesn't his bio seem to indicate that he's AEC Prime?

Yeah, but then that toy was used in fiction as RiD Prime crossed over into the UT universe. He's a fun one. --ItsWalky 13:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Minicon ports?

Does this mean that Mini-cons were in development as a concept before Armada?

No. --Detour 16:00, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

"Hypergoldfish! GOLFBALL"?

What is that referring to? Im a bell 21:44, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Wondering the same. Only thing that turned up from Google was ebay user Hypergoldfish, who apparently included a free golfball with something.--86.87.28.191 19:23, 19 January 2010 (EST)

It's what the Japanese toy's sound effects sound like he's saying. --ItsWalky 20:56, 19 January 2010 (EST)

Here's where it all started.--Apcog 22:14, 20 January 2010 (EST)

I still maintain it's "I'm a blowfish!" --Salt-Man Z 17:21, 11 June 2010 (EDT)

Maybe it's just all the anime I've watched, but I can't hear it as anything other than "Cybertron senshi, transform!" Takeshi357 (talk) 09:44, 18 February 2015 (EST)

Repurposed?

Prime is in the "Repurposed toys" category. Is that because the yellow spy changer was repurposed? If so, the category can be removed since we don't put the toys that were repurposed from in the category. - Starfield 00:36, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

The Cybertron deco of RiD Prime was meant to be the UT character, but was used to represent the RiD character in the Cybertron comic. —Interrobang 02:27, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

Hall Of Fame

SHOULD we consider him as such?--BlackStarscream 13:40, 19 June 2012 (EDT)

Er, yes, why wouldn't we? --abates 16:38, 19 June 2012 (EDT)

"Possibly due to the fact that he is not intended to be Optimus Prime in the original Car Robot series." It just seems like the RID characters are different individuals. Conspicously, not only are they missing from the video tributs (though I only know that from the wiki) but the display cases at Botcon also don't have their figures among the numerous other figures that are there.--BlackStarscream 17:50, 27 June 2012 (EDT)

"Possibly due to the fact that he is not intended to be Optimus Prime in the original Car Robot series. " is in reference to him not being killed off during the cartoon, not his inclusion in the hall of fame. The RID dub pretty clearly made him "Optimus Prime" for the purposes of Hasbro's markets. --abates 18:33, 27 June 2012 (EDT)

He is Optimus Prime, the end. --ItsWalky 21:13, 27 June 2012 (EDT)

Organization

Holy shit, there has to be a better way to organize this. There's headings full of stuff from other pieces of fiction, discreet incarnations of characters collected under one heading... and shouldn't the version from Universe who later went on to star in the Fun Pub comics have his information in "3H" and "Fun Pub" sections under the cartoon continuity header, since he comes from a post-cartoon setting? Different stream, sure, but we list plenty of different streams under cartoon headers across the wiki. - Chris McFeely (talk) 16:50, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

Eh, I'm not sure how we can get around Universe Optimus being one definite specific guy throughout those stories. Nobody else's going to play with that version but the fan club (3H or FunPub), so I also don't see the point in splitting up his story across sections. No opinion on whether he should be under cartoon continuity. Saix (talk) 17:00, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

I sense a McFeely'd article in the near future.... Escargon (talk) 17:03, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

However this gets reorganzied, I absolutely think a mention of the female version needs to be put back in the opening section. Because seriously, a canonically female Optimus Prime is absolutely noteworthy, no matter how minor and retconned her appearance was. Honestly I'm not sure she shouldn't still have an article of her own. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 17:10, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

I'm trying to hammer this into some kind of shape, and y'know, I'm leaning toward the idea that she should maybe have a "Galvatron II" style article linked via a suite, if only because it would make this stuff easier to read. As it stands, her being included here results in header with one of those obnoxious (2) disambigs after it, which then has to include something from the Armada comics, which should by all logical reason be in a small section of its own, next to her Voice Actor Drama role, under a larger header referring to this discreet incarnation of the character. - Chris McFeely (talk)

===Spy Changer continuity===, ====Dreamwave Armada comic====, ====3H comics (or Voice Actor Drama)====? With that being a subset of another header, we can avoid the (2), I guess. Saix (talk) 17:22, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

I really like the idea of the Galvatron II model for cases where someone is technically in the same continuity family but in practice is quite distinctive. Female Optimus Prime is a good example, so is the Unicron Trilogy version who was a bloodthirsty maniac who gets killed and has a completely different design. --Giggidy (talk) 18:00, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

Optimus Prime (Universe) talk page

Image

How is the image representative of the Spy Changer guy? Especially considering, y'know, it's a mode the toy doesn't have. —Interrobang 21:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

It's the yellow Optimus Prime. Who got a profile in the 3H TFMag describing things that happened to him which, demonstrably didn't happen to the RiD Prime who showed up in the TFU and Cybertron comics.

Assuming that 3H profile of the yellow not-from-TFU-comics TFU RiD Optimus Prime represents the same character as the yellow not-the-same-guy-from-the-TFU-comics TFU RiD Optimus Prime from the script reading is pretty safe, right? The smaller robot pic is just non-ideal because his only fictional appearance was in super robot mode.

(The Sams Club toy should probably be moved to this article too, since the TFU Prime's was established as a separate character.)-Derik 21:55, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

This is not "yellow Optimus Prime." This is specifically the Spychanger yellow Optimus Prime who is specifically from a universe where all Transformers are Spychanger-sized. He is not RiD Optimus Prime. Please understand this. --ItsWalky 22:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

It's possible that there are as many as four different RID Prime-based characters in the small amount of TFU fiction we actually got. There is AN Omega Prime already in the Cauldron when Primal busts in to do some harrowing. Another Omega Prime, potentially a different one, is summoned when Depthcharge refuses to do the job Primal had him resurrected for. We never see this Omega Prime do anything, but I'm inclined to believe it's the one later seen in the Club comics. These three Omega Primes are ALL colored as the original toys, unfortunately, but it sounds from the 3H profile as though the original prison-break Omega Prime should probably have been colored with the appropriate yellow parts, while the Oracle-summoned Omega Prime should be in the "Cybertron" colors. Then, of course, there's the Spy Changer, who shows up in the script reading in non-Cauldron-related circumstances and is tiny. -LV 22:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Is he actually tiny in-universe? (There were only two TFU RiD Oppy toys and they're both yellow. I'm inclined to believe they're the same character unless there's a significant reason to believe otherwise.) -22:13, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

The script explicitly calls him "Optimus Prime (Micro)". And then RID Prowl says he "barely comes up to [Prowl's] power pod". Also, he and Prowl (Micro) talk about how weird it is that the RID guys keep shouting their attack names. -LV 22:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

And he's drawn tiny. --ItsWalky 22:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh. Well in that case ignore me.

So, you have the script eh? I don't suppose there could be scans of that floating around, could there? *hints unsubtly * -Derik 23:01, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Creating even more alternate universes for the sake of creating more alternate universes just seems ridiculously and unnecessary complicated and confusing. I'll continue to have Spychanger Optimus Prime the same being as the larger toy just on a different scale. 84.71.129.159 09:43, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

We're not the ones creating more alternate universes. But if there's a new alternate universe, we're going to document it. --ItsWalky 11:11, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Separation or merge

Is the fact that this RID Optimus Prime is female sufficient to warrant her own individual page? If so, then we should also make an individual page for the female Scourge. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 10:43, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

I think we should take this as similar to the Armada Beast Wars; Universe Optimus Prime has actually done things in fiction, whereas AVP Scourge... hasn't. I think Scourge will be fine with a note on the page saying "In this micro-continuity, Scourge was female", even if we keep Universe Optimus separate. Riptide (talk) 10:55, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

This Optimus Prime had turned up in some previous fiction (the play at OTFCC) and Scourge is just a line on AVP, so you're right that we technically should but I think we should do what we did with the Aurex Beast Wars: keep everything on the BW pages because they're not quite different enough. -- Charles RB 16:06, 18 August 2015 (GMT)

Several characters are alternately male or female depending on continuity. They aren't split based on that. Saix (talk) 11:36, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

Hrm. I guess. This feels different to me, though; probably because all other gender-switch characters are "same events, different gender", rather than "same general universe, different events, different gender". I'd be happier keeping this on its own page, but I can see the argument for merging, so... I guess? --Riptide (talk) 11:45, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

Ultimately, it boils down to "is this a version of RID Optimus Prime?" And considering how we now don't consider differing species enough to split pages... Saix (talk) 12:10, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

This might be related. We don't keep separate pages for all the Animated characters who were originally male before being given proper characterizations as females, which were explained as the result of time travelers altering history. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 12:12, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

I missed that, which Animated characters are those? They're really listed as both genders on their pages? -- Charles RB 18:07, 18 August 2015 (GMT)

Sunstreaker, for one. Ugh. I guess I see your point. I suppose we should merge, even if we'll lose that excellent opening section. --Riptide (talk) 13:17, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

(Though if we do merge, would having the image caption as some variant of "Wait a minute... there's something bothering me about this place. I know! This lesbian bar doesn't have a fire exit! Enjoy your death trap, ladies." be workable?) --Riptide (talk) 13:18, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

If Sunstreaker's it and never had any fiction, is that really a precedent? (If we do merge though, good call for saving th intro, Riptide!) --Charles RB (talk) 18:21, 18 August 2015 (GMT)

In my opinion, gender isn't a big enough factor to keep the pages separated. Alternate universe versions of characters that are a different gender is nothing new, even though beforehand it was mostly due to differences Japanese/American marketing decisions. If Airazor got some new fiction exclusive to Japan, and was treated as a male character in it, I think it's safe to say we'd list it on her main page. Heck, doesn't every universe where Transformers officially have no gender listed on the same page as incarnations from universes where they do have genders count towards this argument? --Ascendron (talk) 13:50, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

Good point, I'd forgotten about gender in dubs. Bums, merger seems her destiny. --Charles RB (talk) 19:40, 18 August 2015 (GMT)

Alt mode?

Hi everyone! I'd like to open a (very friendly and loving!) discussion about Fire Convoy/RiD Prime's alt mode. The belief in some fan circles is that he turns into a late-90s Hino fire truck of some kind, likely the Aerial/Profia (https://www.globalpartnersjp.com/japanese-used-hino-profia-truck_16385.html). An ancient TFW2005 thread (https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/someone-please-post-a-pic-link-of-the-real-life-rid-op-prime-japanese-firetruck.92208/) has a few images of a truck closer in color to Fire Convoy, but there's no specific information on the model (and the model name 'Brandlier' gets thrown around a lot, although any search for that term tends to largely bring up TF-related results, so it's hard to say for sure). This picture of a Hino ladder truck in Shinjuku is closer to Fire Convoy's color scheme, although no model is given: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2008-09-10-shinjuku-24CH1815.JPG

While he does indeed have the split window of the Fuso, that's likely more due to the way he transforms, requiring the window to split to form his legs. Additionally, I think it's reasonable to think that, since the other three major new Autobot/Cybertron designs for this series were all spitting images of real-world vehicles (to the point where Dodge required the Viper logo to appear on RiD Side Burn's packaging), Convoy/Prime would be based upon an existing vehicle that would probably be pretty familiar to fans in Japan. (this is literally the first thing I've ever contributed to a Wiki so I apologize if I've done it wrong! I don't know what it says about me that I was this motivated to discuss what truck Fire Convoy turns into.) --Flash1087 10:50, 20 Jan 2023 (UTC)

Catchphrase

I know BURNING SPRIT is more accurate to his Japanese dialogue but I really like BURNING JUSTICE. could we change it back on a couple captions? particularly the OG figure, The spychanger, and the Haslab. I totally understand if the answer is no, but it would be pretty cool. --Magnoburst (talk) 09:57, 12 February 2024 (EST)

Hard no on that one. Burning spirit is both more accurate and less xenophobic. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 11:11, 12 February 2024 (EST)

Xenophobic?--Magnoburst (talk) 11:43, 12 February 2024 (EST)

"Burning justice" is a nonsense phrase created to make fun of common anime tropes in an era where the fandom was much more close-minded to Japanese media and treated it as inherently inferior to the western output. That's not the vibe we want to perpetuate; it's the whole reason the page was overhauled in the first place. -- Cyberlink420 (talk)

bad take but ok.--Magnoburst (talk) 11:57, 12 February 2024 (EST)