Talk:Rook (SG)

Two words:

Rook's Screwed. ---Blackout- 12:15, 20 September 2009 (EDT)

Please do make make offensive political comments on this page. Surely you can think of a better joke. 68.61.240.172 15:53, 22 November 2009 (EST)

Surely you can be a little less sensitive? No one is actually trying to insult the man. Khajidha 15:59, 22 November 2009 (EST)

If we let every so-and-so anon decide to remove captions they deem offensive, this site'd be a humourous as a grandmother's funeral. Besides, it's satire. 82.5.78.143 16:21, 22 November 2009 (EST) (MGN, apparently not signed in)

I'm with Geewunling here, when the caption first got tacked up I thought it was pretty darn fitting. --Jeysie 17:28, 22 November 2009 (EST)

Heck, I don't even see what's so offensive about it.--Rosicrucian^Talk 17:42, 22 November 2009 (EST)

It's describing Bill O'Reilly, a real world commentator, as a a liar and a government shill. I wish to see it removed. 68.61.240.172 19:24, 22 November 2009 (EST)

It's describing Bill O'Reilly as a sensationalist journalist. Heck, if that's offensive then so's Stephen Colbert's entire career. I don't have a club membership, but have you considered that potentially Sepelak and Troop have intentionally made Shattered Glass Rook in homage to O'Reilly?--Rosicrucian^Talk 20:00, 22 November 2009 (EST)

Actually it was Jesse Wittenrich who's responsible for SG Rook. But otherwise, yeah, I'm with Rosicrucian here. There's quite a few RL journalists in the same conservative sensationalist bracket as our ABN reporter TF here, of which O'Reilly is one. --Jeysie 20:11, 22 November 2009 (EST)

The write-up for the character, as-is, doesn't really remind me of Bill O'Reilly per-se. In fact, it's way too, uh, flattering. Exposing corruption and scandal is GOOD! That's not a negative thing! Conversely, I don't really see anything in the opening profile about shouting down his guests, trying to win arguments with simple volume, or cutting mics, so it doesn't really remind me of O'Reilly. --ItsWalky 21:01, 22 November 2009 (EST)

...I can safely say you completely and utterly missed the intended ironic tone of the paragraph. Hint: "yellow journalism" and "scandal-mongering" are good clues. (Granted, I do tend to have a very dry sense of humor.) --Jeysie 21:16, 22 November 2009 (EST)

That sounds more like Geraldo Rivera than O'Reilly. O'Reilly would just be shouting endlessly about how THE DECEPTICONS ARE BRAINSWASHING OUR CHILDREN AND HATE OUR FREEDOMS AND WANT TO KILL US ALL AND THE GUBBMINT IS GOING TO TAKE YUOR BRAIN IN THE NIIIIIGIHT. -hx 21:25, 22 November 2009 (EST)

I agree with Hooper. If the opening paragraphs are intended to be distinctly O'Reillyish, they do a very poor job. Though Hoop's SUPER-overthetop paranoia version sounds more like Glenn Beck to me. --ItsWalky 21:31, 22 November 2009 (EST)

Whenever I saw Rook or SG Rook I always thought of news anchors like Tom Brokaw mixed with a modern Geraldo, who would Hector Ramariz in the Transformers universe. The opening paragraph of this article though seems to be based on J Johan Jameson. 68.61.240.172 21:35, 22 November 2009 (EST)

Yeah, that got it in one. My intro wasn't intended to be parodying anyone specifically at all. Instead it was simply parodying the tone of any journalist who engages in objectively bad journalism while thinking his methods are actually something to be proud of. (Actually, the entire article in general is going for that tone.) J. Jonah Jameson and Don Henley's "Dirty Laundry" were what I was going for. (Note to self: Adopt more blatant sense of humor?)

Although in regards to Hooper's comment, I do have to point out this strip: http://rid-nightviper.deviantart.com/art/Around-Cybertron-3-125833712 --Jeysie 21:42, 22 November 2009 (EST)

Well then, now that I'm able to read them on DeviantArt I'd definitely say there's a dash of O'Reilly here, a dab of Glenn Beck there, and so forth.--Rosicrucian^Talk 21:54, 22 November 2009 (EST)

Since the write up on THIS site makes J Johan Jamesom references, a more approproriate and neutral quote might be something like "Megatron... Threat or Menace?" 68.61.240.172 21:59, 22 November 2009 (EST)

No. Bill O'Reillytron fits the bill perfectly. --Detour 22:06, 22 November 2009 (EST)

Frankly, I think the JJJ reference muddles the opening. He's not JJJ. He's a Cable News Pundit. --ItsWalky 22:07, 22 November 2009 (EST)

You can remove it if you want... it was mostly an attempt to point out that the opening was meant to be ironic. (Which, ironically, seems to have not worked.) --Jeysie 22:14, 22 November 2009 (EST)

...interesting change, but kind of also missing the point. Rook's not accusing the Decepticons of doing bad things from a general perspective, but of doing things that are bad from Autobot perspectives (theft, extortion, in-fighting, etc.) In the strip in question, Rook's actually complaining that the Decepticons being too nice to the protoforms was a bad thing. Likewise, the Dark duo's comedy acts are "painfully uplifting". --Jeysie 22:27, 22 November 2009 (EST)

Yeah, I'd go with Beck's attempts to make things like "social justice" dirty words as my guide.--Rosicrucian^Talk 22:50, 22 November 2009 (EST)

Pretty! --ItsWalky 23:06, 22 November 2009 (EST)

Yeeeeessssss, that's more like it. :D --Jeysie 23:04, 22 November 2009 (EST)

I'm not sure where this idea that SG Autobots are a analog for Republicans came from. Some authors on this site have issues that need to be worked out. 68.61.240.172 08:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)

Who's comparing SG Autobots to Republicans? A character who is a sleazy media personality is being compared to actual sleazy media personalities. That's it. - Cattleprod 12:25, 23 November 2009 (EST)

This is mignash, isn't it? —Interrobang 15:34, 23 November 2009 (EST)

68.61.240.172, 207.181.17.24 and Primal Rage are all mignash, yeah. --Detour 15:51, 23 November 2009 (EST)