Talk:Silverbolt (G1)

The IDW Beast Wars profile books are not out yet, which is why I didn't immediately revert the erasing of Magnaboss Silverbolt's toy information from this article, but... yeah, that's why that was moved here. Apparently, Magnaboss Silverbolt is G1 Silverbolt, and the upcoming IDW BW material is going to say so explicitly. Hooray! --ItsWalky 22:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Just revert it and put in a note or a cite. -Derik 00:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Nnnnnnn. Merging the Magnaboss guy with the G1 guy seems really off to me. For ten years, there's been no indication at all that they're related in any way. Then suddenly IDW comes along and says "oh by the way", and we totally erase an entire character from existence? -- Repowers 16:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

If you can tell me anything about Magnaboss Ironhide, Silverbolt, and Prowl as characters, then be my guest. --ItsWalky 16:06, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, like THAT's ever stopped anybody on this Wiki from getting their own page!

But anyways, if like some future license holder declares that they're in fact separate characters, then what? (yeah, real likely, I know.) I guess by way of comparison, we don't take the IDW movie adaptation as the final word on who became Cyclonus. The movie still showed what it showed. Why are we treating Magnaboss differently? -- Repowers 16:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

If we ever get any evidence to the contrary, we'll change the page accordingly. --ItsWalky 16:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I'm dropping a K-Class here or not, but there's another Silverbolt in Beast Wars. Combaticons4ever 14:47, 29 May 2013 (EDT)

We know. We knew that 5 years ago when this conversation was actually ongoing. This is referencing the fact that an IDW guidebook stated that the Magnaboss components Ironhide, Prowl and Silverbolt were later bodies for the G1 characters of the same names. This was a revolutionary idea 5 YEARS AGO, we've pretty well adjusted to it by now.--Khajidha 15:20, 29 May 2013 (EDT)

While I'm not fond of the idea that two thirds of the population of the Beast Wars were guys from G1, I really don't think this is going to be a big issue. I mean Magnaboss Silverbolt never had an especially large amount of screen or page time in any sense. Don't say erased, say amalgamated or combined or integrated.--Zodberg 16:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Universe Toy

he is pretty much a shelfwarmer by now.—TOM 19:28, 6 January 2011 (EST)

Universe Alt Mode

Came across a page on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_in_fiction) that claims that Silverbolt's Universe toy is actually an XB-70 Valkyrie. There are certainly similarities. Shall we now discuss whether to add this info in?

There are similarities in the sense that he's a big thing with delta wings. There's not much similarity beyond that, and while people love calling big delta-wing planes with engines in the wings "based on the SR-71 Blackbird", it's hardly necessary here, especially since we have a fake real model number for Silverbolt by way of Skyjack. -LV 22:54, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

Chest Plate - Use on robot mode or not?

The wiki currently notes the confusion about the character model (with or without the chest plate) vs. the toy, and notes that the toy was presumably designed not to use it in Silverbolt's robot mode because it limits movement. While I can't answer that definitively, I was surprised to come across an image in his Japanese toy's instruction scans [1], which seem to suggest that the toy SHOULD include the plate in its non-combined robot mode. The image in question does not appear in the American directions [2]. Since I can't read Japanese, I don't want to make more of this than is perhaps really the case, but wanted to bring it to people's attention in case it deserved mention.--G.B. Blackrock 14:49, 16 October 2013 (EDT)

That would explain why his chest plate is seperate from the red waist section that is added for Superion. If they were originally only intended for the combined form why not just have one larger chest plate like Bruticus or many of the other combiners? Mister Jazz 14:59, 16 October 2013 (EDT)

Combiner Wars G2

This section claims that the G2 Silverbolt from the Combiner Wars Superion giftset doesn't use the retooled and improved Superion head joint. There must have been a running change however, since mine actually does use the improved joint. Here's a link to pictures I took as proof: [3] and for comparison here's the regular Silverbolt without the reinforced joint: [4] . Jts21 (talk) 10:13, 20 December 2017 (EST)

Earth Wars BW Silverbolt IS NOT G1 SILVERBOLT

[5] let's do this, let's split out the page let's do it now let's do it c'mon --ItsWalky (talk) 22:40, 4 June 2021 (EDT)

he can join Dent who is just BW Lion Prowl --ItsWalky (talk) 22:41, 4 June 2021 (EDT)

Maybe fold it into Silver Bolt's page somehow?Grum (talk) 22:55, 4 June 2021 (EDT)

Absolutely not on splitting out all of the material from the page. We're well past the era of using extremely minor things like mobile game profiles to justify old bones of contention. Escargon (talk) 23:15, 4 June 2021 (EDT)

I think there's a precedent here with how BWU has already established there being a version of Silverbolt who's his own guy and not a future version of G1 Silverbolt. I mean, it'd be silly to put that into this page, right? Grum (talk) 23:22, 4 June 2021 (EDT)

Note that I said "all of the material." I have no problem with putting him on the Earth Wars page, but we are not gonna split out the stuff where he is G1 Silverbolt. Escargon (talk) 23:23, 4 June 2021 (EDT)

I think you misinterpreted Walky's intent. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 11:32, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

Given the description given here: [6], that seems to be referring to him, references specific parts of BWU Silver Bolt's backstory, it does seem like the Earth Wars info would end up there. Tindalos (talk) 00:54, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

by splitting out the page I mean mostly "creating a page for non-Silverbolt Silverbolt with his toy on it," since most of the BW Silverbolt stuff on this page is specifically the G1 guy version)--ItsWalky (talk) 08:49, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

The page you are wanting to see created already exists. --Sabrblade (talk) 10:41, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

It needs to be moved to a "Silverbolt" page (while we re-redisambiguate the Fuzor), say the name is sometimes parsed as Silver Bolt, include the toy, and include Earth Wars. --ItsWalky (talk) 10:50, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

Honestly, the point of contention is that we need a page that doesn't pretend that non-G1 Silverbolt BW Silverbolt is something new. Eagle Silverbolt isn't a BWU character! Eagle Silverbolt was the original toy, which later fiction decided that he was the G1 guy whatever. G1 Silverbolt can still have the relevant stuff on his page, but we need a Silverbolt (Magnaboss) that's the stand-alone eagle guy, because the stand-alone eagle guy has always existed. --ItsWalky (talk) 10:54, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

I dunno, is it really worth moving it when there's already a name that doesn't need extra disambiguation? Nobody searching for Silverbolt (BW) is ever going to be thinking of the eagle. --Riptide (talk) 10:54, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

You literally just now had to tell me Silver Bolt exists. On that point alone I think it's necessary. --ItsWalky (talk) 10:56, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

Another option is Silverbolt (Magnaboss) since that's a parenthetical on equal footing with "Fuzor." --ItsWalky (talk) 10:59, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

guys we merged U-Haul Robot into Sentinel Prime (G1) cuzza cybertronix footnotes in an animated book, we can at least let bw silverbolt have his own actual page cuzza english dialogue in a video game --ItsWalky (talk) 11:02, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

Earth Wars literally gave him the backstory of BWU Silver Bolt: University professor at Crystal City created from an Energon Matrix. We can easily put the Earth Wars stuff on that page. --Sabrblade (talk) 11:05, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

At the VERY LEAST we are striking that note in the toy section that states Silverbolt's toy is repurposed from his friggin' self. Like, Beast Wars Silverbolt was plausibly assumed to just be Beast Wars Silverbolt FOR TEN YEARS until The Gathering and Sourcebook came out. A full-ass decade. The idea that you'd have to repurpose his own toy as himself is absurd. --ItsWalky (talk) 11:08, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

If we were to rename the page, I'd opt for renaming both to "Silverbolt (BW eagle)" and "Silverbolt (BW Fuzor)", respectively. While the Fuzor rose to prominence, the eagle has the precedence of being the first BW character to bear the name and has just as much right to the "(BW)" tag as the Fuzor. --Sabrblade (talk) 11:13, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

I agree with Walky's premise that the Beast Wars toy bio continuity has no proof that the Magnaboss members are not generic nameslaps. What I propose is a revival of our old page for new material. Restore the page "Silverbolt (Magnaboss)", combine the material from "Silver Bolt", and add on the new Earth Wars material. In this way, the updated "Silverbolt (Magnaboss)" page is the primary page for the toy while "Silverbolt (G1)/toys" contains a note that the eagle toy was "repurposed" in 2006 IDW continuity as a body for G1 Silverbolt. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 11:17, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

I like SHIELD Agent 47's ideas, though I like Sabrblade's (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor) page titles better for the stated reasoning. --ItsWalky (talk) 11:19, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

Yeah, even though it was just one year before the Fuzor was released, Eagle Silverbolt was still the one and only Silverbolt (BW) during that time. --Sabrblade (talk) 11:44, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

"Silverbolt (Fuzor)" should be enough, right? --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 12:15, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

I'm still thinking that it should be "Silverbolt (BW eagle)" ("eagle" is shorter than "Magnaboss") and Silverbolt (Fuzor) with Silverbolt (BW) redirecting to the Fuzor, 'cuz that's where you actually want to go. --ItsWalky (talk) 14:41, 6 June 2021 (EDT)

I gonna do that unless different parentheticals are pushed for! --ItsWalky (talk) 19:06, 8 June 2021 (EDT)

I'm still for (BW eagle) and (BW Fuzor). In addition to the reasons I gave above, (BW eagle) is both shorter and more concise than (Magnaboss), making it immediately clear that both he and (BW Fuzor) are BW-original characters. And, frankly, (Magnaboss) makes it look like we're saying, to the uninformed, that this Silverbolt is "a Magnaboss". --Sabrblade (talk) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (EDT)

(Magnaboss) is a canonical name or grouping. (BW eagle) is a summary we made up. (BW Fuzor) is redundant. I think it should be (Magnaboss) and either (BW) or (Fuzor). The "real" BW Silverbolt, who was in 25 episodes, should not get the longer, compounded, more obscure title. If some background character jet guy from season 1 had gotten Ask Vector Prime'd into being named "Unicron," we wouldn't reclassify the real Unicron "Unicron (planet god)" just because he now technically appeared second. There are times when unyielding consistency actually weakens our classification system and IMO this would be a clear example.--Thylacine 2000 (talk) 21:20, 10 June 2021 (EDT)

I think as far as the combining elder goes, "Silverbolt (BW eagle)" has a slight lead. I will move it unless anyone else wishes to provide counterargument. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 04:20, 18 June 2021 (EDT)