Talk:Star Saber (Thirteen)

BotCon 2010

The Prima article mentions that his Star Saber was shown at that convention. Should a picture be anywhere here? Item42 00:57, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

I would hope not, since no photography was allowed at that panel. --ItsWalky 00:59, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

Can a description of that display be found anywhere. Prima's talk page had this:

The eventual story of Prima, as sketched out at BC10, will reveal him to have been an "epic warrior of light" "like a Greek god", whose sword hilt has a little gem on it that gets used as the Matrix of Leadership--and based on how big Optimus Prime's chest is compared to the sword, Prima would be ~500 feet tall. If something that cosmic is supposed to be reconciled with "little dinky nobody who rolled off an assembly line in a completely different time period," then sure, he did some magic ghost woowoo. Again, it wouldn't go into the article, especially if, y'know, it's never actually published or said. But, again, people have to intellectually reconcile the notions somehow{{#if:|{{{quote2}}}}}{{#if:. User:Thylacine 2000 22:20, 11 July 2010 (EDT) |. User:Thylacine 2000 22:20, 11 July 2010 (EDT) {{#if:|, {{{3}}}|}}|}}

I'd like an explanation of this, which Optimus it was compared with and whatnot. Item42 01:05, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

There wasn't a display, but just a slide in a presentation. Thylacine is talking about G1 Optimus Prime's chest, and I think he's greatly exaggerating the size of Prima. Prima's huge, no doubt, but 500 feet is a bit much. As for my visual memories of the sword, it was a big silver sword with a Matrix in the middle of the hilt. That's all I can recall with certainty at this point. --ItsWalky 01:11, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

Alright, thanks. Item42 01:19, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

Star Saber (Prime)

Would this be the same article as "Star Saber (Prime)", or does that go elsewhere? -Derik 13:54, 2 March 2012 (EST)

Technically, it was first mentioned in a Fan Club story set in the Wings Universe. —Interrobang 14:02, 2 March 2012 (EST)

Okie, creatin' a separate article! -Derik 14:02, 2 March 2012 (EST)

No.,.. wait. Exodus firmly established that Prima's Star Saber = (Prime)'s Star Saber. So... this article? -Derik 14:04, 2 March 2012 (EST)

This sword is a possession of Prima, who is himself a multiversal singularity. The usage of a franchise tag for this item thus seems wrong. But it does need a disambiguator, as there are many other "Star Sabers". Using the name of its owner seems right to me. --Khajidha 14:19, 2 March 2012 (EST)

Besides, Star Saber (Prime) would be the combined weapon form of OP, Beetwo, and R.A. --Sabrblade 14:43, 2 March 2012 (EST)

I studiously avoid pointing out that Prima as slain by the Quintessons in one continuity. -Derik 15:42, 2 March 2012 (EST)

You are assuming that he was actually killed in that scene. Or that killing him in one continuity has any major affect on Prima as a whole. --Khajidha 15:48, 2 March 2012 (EST)

Hasbro pretty much already said that the Aligned continuity isn't part of its previous multiverse and that things that were true of that may or may not be true of Aligned. I see no reason to think the Thirteen from the old multiverse are the same entities as the Thirteen from Aligned, and I'm not really sure why our pages treat some-but-not-all of them as such. Probably just because nobody wants to tackle merging all the previous Alpha Trions. -LV 16:26, 2 March 2012 (EST)

Yes. All the 13 and probably Primus and Unicron need to be separated out by our rules. They are definitely and officially separate things in Aligned and the old Multiverse. The problem is it's All A LOT OF WORK. And I don't think anyone has wanted to deal with it. Although there is the SLIGHT chance raised by the Preview to this years Multidimensional BotCon story that Fun Pub will tackle and explain the split. If so perhaps we should wait a bit more just to avoid the risk of doing it all and then having to change it all back?--76.28.76.206 16:50, 2 March 2012 (EST)

Hasbro can say what they want. The moment Takara produces crossover fiction it's part of the same Multiverse.

Besides... I thought they backpedaled on that and re-characterized Prime as an obscure hinterland far-removed from most of the Multiverse but still part of it? -Derik 17:02, 2 March 2012 (EST)

Never that I've seen. If you can dig up anything where they say that I'd be surprised, but it would change things.--76.28.76.206 17:25, 2 March 2012 (EST)

I don't even know what situation Hasbro would ever say something like "Aligned is a distant relation to all this stuff we don't want to have to worry about anymore", but if you want some trivial Takara crossover thing to be a critical issue, someone still has to explain how there's an SG Alpha Trion. -LV 17:17, 2 March 2012 (EST)

Yyyyyyeah, as far as I'm concerned, TCC's Prima's Star Saber isn't anything to do with the Aligned Star Saber. Aligned and Everything Else don't seem to be connected at the moment. It's a big thing we have to sort out sometime eventually, but putting this information on the older page is a step backwards from what we will eventually have to do. --ItsWalky 17:29, 2 March 2012 (EST)

And with the Primes no longer multiversal singularities...what now? - TBR (talk) 04:32, 29 June 2018 (EDT)

Toy?

Isn't that Matrix Saber that comes with the Japanese release of Weaponizer Optimus Prime a larger version of the Star Saber? The hilt looks quite similar. --FFN 10:13, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

I don't know about that, but if you check out Voyager Prime's included sword you'll see that the blade shape and surface details match perfectly although with a greatly simplified hilt. --Aka Radioshack 07:34, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

Yeah, PRID Prime's sword looks like a dinky Star Saber to me. Sneaky, Hasbro, sneaky! --ItsWalky 15:36, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

I guess we're going to have to wait on the Japanese translation of Legacy and Alpha/Omega. The Matrix Saber greatly resembles the Star Saber in the animation, and Japan already has a Star Saber in this continuity. We'll have to wait for confirmation, but TakaraTomy would be idiots not to have their translation say the toy they just released with the fandangly super sword is what's featured in these episodes.--Rosicrucian^Talk 15:07, 5 October 2012 (EDT)

I kinda feel like the PRID toy and its variants should be listed on this page. --ItsWalky 02:58, 23 February 2013 (EST)

Excalibur, Excalibur...From United King, I'm looking for him, I'm going to California

Regarding the note, the introductory episode clearly showed that the sword could be transported within the mountain itself, no problem, indicating that there's no magical "tied to this point in spacetime" quality to the blade. As such, best guess is that it was simply so deep into the rock that the only way to free it was to activate the blade's special cutting powers...possibly it had started getting entangled with fossilization? Either way, I don't think this should be treated as an error because the 'cons were able to move the mountain containing the sword, they just weren't able to free the sword itself.

...kinda makes me wonder if the Phase Shifter could have been used to just get it out, really.KrytenKoro 16:11, 24 April 2013 (EDT)

It was clearly meant to be a "sword in the stone" type thing, which was why the Cons couldn't pull it out of the mountain. Once Optimus pulled it out, all bets were off. --abates 17:36, 24 April 2013 (EDT)

Right, so I don't think it should be counted as an error on this page. What the 'cons couldn't do was extract the sword from the stone—they were perfectly capable of transporting it.KrytenKoro 20:05, 24 April 2013 (EDT)

Main Pic Size

We should do something about resizing the main picture because its basically stretching into the biography section Ed (talk) 16:33, 31 July 2015 (EDT)

Move to Star Saber (Thirteen)

See initial discussion here: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformation_cog

--Dayton Hammon (talk) 23:39, 10 August 2025 (EDT)

As mentioned in the T-Cog discussion and on the discord, I am in favor of standardizing these Thirteen-related disambigs where we can. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 19:46, 11 August 2025 (EDT)

I am too. - IGEBM13 (talk) 23:37, 11 August 2025 (EDT)

I'm for the move --Dayton Hammon (talk) 18:44, 18 August 2025 (EDT)

Adding my support for this. --Tindalos (talk) 18:53, 18 August 2025 (EDT)

'Twas my idea, so I'm still for it. --Sabrblade (talk) 19:26, 18 August 2025 (EDT)

I support this framework. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 19:31, 18 August 2025 (EDT)

Giving this the admin stamp. --Broadside (talk) 18:36, 21 August 2025 (EDT)

Putting out a last call for comment as we approach two weeks with none opposed. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 19:49, 22 August 2025 (EDT)

I got busy but as we're now over a month unopposed I am proceeding with move. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 17:26, 26 September 2025 (EDT)