Talk:Starscream (G1)/toys

Pretender Starscream Request

I don't have Pretender Starscream to test this, but I see the entry says the tail fin guns can't be stored, which I'm fairly sure is wrong. I believe the fin guns can peg into the holes on either side of the upper part of the rifle. Can anyone verify this for me?--MCRG 22:17, 4 August 2010 (EDT)

I had that figure a few years ago and yes it was possible to do that. I remember it not feeling like it was quite designed to do it, like it was just a coincidence they could stick on there but it was certainly possible.86.31.91.215 09:47, 1 August 2012 (EDT)

Secret Starscream

Nakas of Autobase Aichi has put forth the idea that "Secret Starscream", like Super Collection Figure Skywarp, was never actually sent out due to the bankruptcy of Keibunsha, the publisher. I *think* either the Binaltech And TF Collection book or one of the Generations 2009 books shows Secret Starscream, but I'd have to check to be sure, and I'm not sure what exactly is said about the piece either way. --Monzo 20:31, 10 December 2009 (EST)

Ah-ha. It was in Generations 2009 volume 2.

Secret Starscream

Anyone want to take a crack at what that says? (At least we can get rid of the red speculation 'til then.) --Monzo 23:33, 12 December 2009 (EST)

The page says:

The toy is the Prize A (and not-for-sell) for the Keibunsha mook Transformer(s) Generation(s)".

Although the details aren't revealed on the book, its plastic parts are all transparent.

The package is as same as the one used for #004.

;-D --TX55^TALK 13:05, 12 March 2012 (EDT)

Transmetal Waspinator

I think it should also be considered a Starscream toy due to its portrayal in fiction. Trust me in this one.ACIDSTORM92 20:47, 28 February 2010 (EST)

Which fiction? --ItsWalky 21:42, 28 February 2010 (EST)

Probably the Sourcebook... --Detour 21:47, 28 February 2010 (EST)

• facepalm* --ItsWalky 22:12, 28 February 2010 (EST)

Was that a yes?--ACIDSTORM92 21:41, 16 August 2010 (EDT)

Considering that Optimus Primal gets a bunch of random entries on his toys page, because he gets a new body for five seconds in some Japanese text stories, shouldn't we put both Waspinator's Regular beast and Transmetal body on this page? --Ascendron 16:40, 9 January 2011 (EST)

Wait... it just hit me... Starscream possesses a bunch of bot's in his ghost appearances, doesn't he? Urgh. What a nightmare... Maybe just a note or something... --Ascendron 16:43, 9 January 2011 (EST)

I'd go with notes. Starscream possesses these others, their bodies are still their own. On the other hand, if a character ("Character A") is given a new body all his own that is a duplication of another character ("Character B")'s body the toy representing that body should be considered as a repurposed toy for Character A. --Khajidha 17:12, 9 January 2011 (EST)

Alternate caption idea

I think perhaps a funnier caption for his first Masterpiece toy would be "I look like.... Thundercracker." ZeldaTheSwordsman 19:05, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

GID MW Starscream Missiles

I have an odd variant of the MW Starscream figure that includes Glow-In-The-Dark missiles. The stock in South Eastern CT (as well as who-knows-where-else) seemed to include these in good numbers, as the original that I bought (and still have) included them, as did a second example that I sent to Orson Christensen/Sidecutter (of Captured Prey) in trade (or if my memory is failing, he may have verified that the one he bought in KY also included them...in any event, he confirmed that I didn't have the only one)

I have always assumed (since they're not standard) that this was just an example of lax QC on the line, and someone tossed GID plastic pellets into the hopper because it was pretty close in color to the right plastic and no one noticed.

In any event, I recently pulled the box with MW Screamer out of storage and tonight I verified that I really really do have phosphorescent missiles. I tried a few different things to take a picture but haven't had much luck. Any suggestions on how to provide photographic proof are welcome, or if the powers-that-be are willing to accept my tale on faith, I could just add a note to the entry... --Destrongerlupus 21:10, 16 November 2010 (EST)

12-12-24 Edit 14 years later and I have gotten a couple decent pics of the missiles glowing. I am about to list my figure that has them, so wanted to capture the proof before letting him go.

I made an edit to his listing accordingly. Destrongerlupus (talk) 14:13, 12 December 2024 (EST)

What color are the glowing missiles? Are these the original-run pale missiles or is it an actual third version? --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 14:44, 12 December 2024 (EST)

Recent Starscream toys

By the way why there is a rubsign on a G1 toy that comes with lots of accessories including fists, null rays, wings, tail rudders, tails, thrusters, landing gear and the Decepticon planes era Starscream? I thought rubsigns are introduced in reveal the shield?(Ihateyawning 23:56, 24 January 2011 (EST))

Rubsigns were introduced in 1985 and have been used as recently as Classics and the Universe reissues. "Reveal the Shield" did not introduce them, it merely brought them back into the public eye. --NCZ 23:58, 24 January 2011 (EST)

Things One, Two and Three

1) Like MCRG above, I was pretty sure Pretender Starscream's robot guns could be mounted on his shell's rifle. Can anyone confirm this? I don't have him. Am I being misled by Metalhawk? 2) I'm pretty sure, but not certain, that the Ghost of Starscream statue is probably not actually translucent polystone, but what is it? PVC? ABS? Surely some kind of plastic. 3) Whoever wrote the Skystriker Starscream blurb seems to have forgotten about Ti Megs. Actually, I'll just fix that one. -LV 10:09, 31 March 2011 (EDT)

Masterpiece Starscream

Given I have watched Macross, I do not think that the scabbard side fins on MP-03 are an homage to Armada or Energon. This is a common cheat Kawamori employs when designing jets. If you don't believe me look at the YF-19

http://ghostlightning.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/macross-plus-yf-19-mmm.jpg

or the YF-21

http://www.collectiondx.com/gallery2/gallery/d/413455-5/P6176635.jpg

I think whoever put that in there is under the spell of wishful Armada fanwanking.

2013 Generations Armada Starscream

Since IDW has repurposed this as a new body for IDWG1 Starscream, should that toy be posted here as well? Or perhaps a note made of it? --Altercron 10:38, 8 October 2013 (EDT)

I believe it should, just as was done for WFC Shockwave. --MistaTee 10:57, 8 October 2013 (EDT)

Oh yes, there's no question it should be. I think we just haven't done it yet because it hasn't actually appeared in the comics yet. - Chris McFeely 10:59, 8 October 2013 (EDT)

Ah that makes sense. I haven't been keeping up with IDWs series, relying on TFWiki for that. --Altercron 11:09, 8 October 2013 (EDT)

Assuming he'll come packed with an IDW G1 comic, we might have to list this guy mainly on the (G1) page, and as a repurpose on the (Armada) page, with the toys on both pages being listed with a note concerning the repurpose, just like what we did with both Thundercrackers. --Inkblot 18:19, 8 October 2013 (EDT)

ah, now i find a talk section, after the edit. -facepalm- Still needs a bit of work i think, in the written bit. --Mini-master 08:12, 8 November 2013 (EST)

Neutered Missile Launchers?

In various entries for the '84-'85 toys, it is said that the Hasbro missile launchers had their springs weakened or removed. Was this a running change or something? Over the winter break I went home with my brothers and we went through a lot of our old toys. Among them was one of '84 Starscream's original launchers and two cluster missiles... let me tell you, that sucker is NOT neutered; the missile can fly pretty far, definitely farther than the Commemorative reissue. I'm pretty sure Ratchet and Ironhide's little missile firing thing worked, too, but I can't remember how strong they were (I had a few other figures that had missile launchers but I cannot recall if they worked or not).

Anyways, just something to throw out there. I may go in and edit the comment later if I'm feeling bold. Magaroja (talk) 22:27, 27 March 2014 (EDT)

I'm no expert on G1 variants but from some quick googling: if the Starscream in question is a dark gunmetal grey colour (link, see lower figure: [1]) it may be the Mexican release, which had fully functional missiles. Alternatively, pre-rubsign figures supposedly also had stronger missile springs - pre-rub Seekers can be identified by having smooth, non-ridged cockpit canopies. Failing these, I'd hit up some Transformers forums to seek expert opinions - I'd hesitate to change any articles on the basis of a single incidence... Jalaguy (talk) 11:12, 28 March 2014 (EDT)

Hmm, I suppose he could have been pre-rub; all the stickers have fallen off, unfortunately, and he's in such a state of disrepair that his cockpit is gone, along with the wings (which could tell me if the tips were sanded down or remolded). I'll take a look at the color, but I don't think it's a Mexican release; we lived close enough to a Toys'R'Us growing up that I'm confident he was purchased there. Magaroja (talk) 14:43, 28 March 2014 (EDT)

Variant or HQ bootleg?

I just got a "Reveal the Shield" Starscream from Family Dollar. It came is a packager where the upper front was an IDW style picture of Starscream with "Transformers" in block letters on one side. The package had all the trademarks and info for Hasbro on the package. It's got the 3 mm peg holes but no guns, and the plastic seems to be of good quality. Is this a proper variant of the figure that just "forgot" the guns, one where the guns were intentionally left out, or is it a really accurate (packaging/accessories aside) bootleg? I can take a pic of a packaged sample later if it will help. --King Starscream (talk) 19:42, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

New release. http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generations-classics-44/transformers-classics-legends-new-style-packaging-at-family-dollar-179473/ Antimatter (talk) 20:24, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

Chronicle facepaint? and captions

Don't want to edit something incorrectly, but Starscream_(G1)/toys#Chronicle says "This version of the figure is nearly identical to the painted helmet variant of the Hasbro release, except the entirety of his head is painted black", but the pic shows him with a non-black face. Does that pic show the correct toy? Is the text in error?

Also, i added two captions, but they aren't quite as perfect as i'd like. If anyone can improve them, that'd be nice--or if you've got something better, go for it. (What about "Legends tell of a Starscream who pretends he's not evil or spiky"?)

--Rhymus (talk) 19:43, 24 February 2015 (EST)

Wing peg extension

The pegs on the wings were extended for the reissues but I don't see any of them here mentioning the retool at all, let alone which one was the first to use it. Takeshi357 (talk) 12:30, 19 March 2016 (EDT)

G1 Mold menu

Okay bear with me here because I don't know what they're called; but you know those sort of... menus that you can open for certain toys? Like, for instance; MP Starscream there's a thing you can open where you can see all the uses of the mold. That sort of thing. Well, I was just wondering that maybe the G1 Starscream mold should have that sort of thing since it's been used to death. Three original seekers, Coneheads, G2 Starscream/Ramjet, E-hobby Sunstorm; I'm probably forgetting one or two. Just feel it'd make sense. --Kurona (talk) 10:25, 1 October 2016 (EDT)

TR Trypticon

Given the events of the Titans Return cartoon, wouldn't TR Trypticon count as a toy/body for Starscream, in the same way that, say, BT-17 Black Convoy and G2 Battle Convoy count as bodies for Optimus Primal? I suppose arguably the same could be said of G1 Trypticon for similar raasons?TGB (talk) 04:01, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

Primal was given a body of his own based on Black Convoy later in the Binaltech story, and Primal was shape-shifted into Battle Convoy's form, Starscream merely possessed Trypticon. If that were to count, so would Cyclonus, and Scourge, and Astrotrain, and Runabout, and... you get the picture. - Chris McFeely (talk) 07:25, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

I'll grant you that for G1, but in TR at least, Trypticon was dead, as evidenced by what happened after Starscream was removed from the body, No one else was home. In G1, Cyclonus, Scourge and Astrotrain were not. In that regard, it's comparable to Primal's Black Convoy situation. TGB (talk) 09:32, 6 May 2018 (EDT)

Speaking as the one who added the Binaltech Black Convoy toy to Primal's toy page in the first place, I only did so once the final Alternity prose story was released, in which Primal was said to have gotten his own brand new body based on that of Binaltech Black Convoy. I did not add the toy to Primal's toy page when the Binaltech Black Convoy prose story (in which Primal possessed the BT Black Convoy body) was first released, because mere possession of a body, living or dead, by another host does not automatically erase/override the original identity of the body being possessed. Likewise, in the TF cartoon, Trypticon's body is possessed by Starscream, but that doesn't make the identity of the body itself be Starscream. Numerous characters in the cartoon that knew of Starscream's possession of the big guy still referred to him as Trypticon over and over. In fact, we can't even say for sure how far Starcream's possession of Trypticon went, as several times in the show we could hear Starscream groaning and grunting in agony as though he was struggling with some unseen force (perhaps even Trypticon's mind/soul itself, somehow) to maintain control of Trypticon. And most of the time, Trypticon acted more like himself (a raging, animalistic brute) than like Starscream in the cartoon. As the TR cartoon wasn't very well written overall, we can't really take anything from it that was as vague as Starscream possession of Trypticon as concrete enough to draw such definitive conclusions. --Sabrblade (talk) 14:01, 6 May 2018 (EDT)

MP-3 alt mode

Mp-3's section says he is meant to turn into as accurate an F-15 Eagle as possible, but it would appear that the figure transforms into an F-15E Strike Eagle. You can see this in the rounded conformal fuel tanks on the side. A regular F-15 looks more like MP-11's alt mode, which is correctly omitting the extra tanks. It should also be noted that F-15Es tend to have darker aircraft camouflage, though I haven't encountered one with a shade that matches the green of this figure. I'm still not entirely sure if this information is correct, which is why I've placed it here instead of outright editing the article. That loof guy (talk) 08:00, 3 May 2021 (EDT)

Research it and if you can prove it correct, edit the article an cite the proof.--MistaTee (talk) 02:53, 4 May 2021 (EDT)

All Left Fists

Added a note to the Toys|The Transformers section that some of the 1990 Australian Reissues of Starscream were incorrectly packaged with 2 left fists. Sadly mine was one of them - an interesting experience for a 12 year old kid. Bowspearer (talk) 03:18, 18 August 2021 (AEDT)

Page length and potential split

Last year, we finally divvied up some of G1 Optimus and Megatron's toy pages to stop browsers from crashing for the sheer length and image load. Now, Starscream may have fewer Generations-branded toys to yield a simple delineation, but I am reasonably confident that this page will receive more Generations-branded toys in the near future. Is that a reasonable qualification to split to better page loading? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 16:47, 5 June 2022 (EDT)

This one and G1 Bumblebee have been on my radar for some time since I made the other two splits. If there's no objections, I'll look into splitting them within the next few days. Just trying to save edits to these articles just about crashes my browser every time. -- Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 18:56, 5 June 2022 (EDT)

Do you also favour Generations as the boundary line to use? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 14:00, 26 June 2022 (EDT)

Thermal carbine

Isn't the blue rifle that is included with G1 pretender Starscream known as a Thermal Carbine?Brikmin2 (talk) 12:37, 8 December 2022 (EST)