Talk:Stephen Keener

Wait, we have a clear link between TF and St. Elsewhere, and the image caption ISN'T about Tommy Westphall and snowglobes and etc? I am disappoint. -hx (talk) 10:35, 18 November 2013 (EST)

Sorry, but I haven't watched St. Elsewhere in a long time, but I have watched Exorcist III (from which the caption was taken) and The Ninth Configuration.

--Starscreamsfan (talk) 10:48, 18 November 2013 (EST)

Name

Since he was credited as "Stephen Keener" for his TF voice roles, shouldn't we have that as the article name even though it's a stage name? I mean, "Chris Latta" was also a stage name, but we don't call that article "Christopher Collins". We can still mention his real name in the opening paragraph as we do for Latta, but doesn't this Wiki strictly adhere to the specific names that actually appeared in TF media? --Sabrblade (talk) 20:48, 18 November 2013 (EST)

Yes, I think we should always use the name a person is credited as for their TF work as their article title. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 21:26, 18 November 2013 (EST)

Yeah, it really ought to be changed back. The explanatory note at the bottom about his real name was enough, I thought. --DrSpengler (talk) 22:02, 18 November 2013 (EST)

Does the existing redirect page have to be deleted first, though? --Sabrblade (talk) 00:07, 19 November 2013 (EST)

Stephen Keener

Stephen Keener is not a pseudonym for anyone. He's a classically trained actor who did a lot of voiceover work in the 70s and 80s. He's also my dad, so it's alarming to see him mis-credited. I don't know the protocols for revisions. Just want to get the info out there. --Keener (talk) 20:33, 19 November 2013 (EST)

Well now I'm just confused and irritated. Where did User:Starscreamsfan get the info that Keener and Flanders were the same guy? We need to sort this out. --DrSpengler (talk) 21:00, 19 November 2013 (EST)

You and me both, DrSpengler. I got the info from one of Flanders' sons. He said that he even went to a Transformers recording session with him. Mr. Keener, are you sure your father was in Transformers?? Because G.I. Joe was being recorded at the same time as Transformers but then there were also the Transformers TV commercials, which also had a lot of voice actors that weren't featured in the series. Then maybe we're talking about a very serious mis-credit behind the scenes.

Please, let me know.

EDIT: I asked Flanders' son if his father was in the commercials rather than the cartoon, but he said that Scattershot and Hun-Grrr were played by a voiceover veteran (possibly Keener) in the commercials. Flanders didn't wish to be credited because, although a prolific TV actor (like Johnny Haymer, Bert Kramer, etc.), he was becoming very popular in the film industry, and he thought that the industry would consider him a traitor if he did animation voice-over.

He also told me that Flanders never played anyone in the commercials (except in the 1988 commercials, where he played Getaway), he was just used as a stand-in for Victor Caroli in early commercials (The Other Guy???), and then Wally Burr selected him late in the series to play some characters.

But anyways, is this your father, Mr. Keener? (Flanders' info came to me last year, but I was still suspecting this was your father, until I saw the 1968-1982 time interval):

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/steve-keener/11/b0/315

EDIT 2: I saw the video you posted in TFW2005, Mr. Keener, and you know what? I know I've heard it in a commercial.

This commercial have two characters with a very similar voice to your father's, especially Sixshot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhERO-TVYWE).

--Starscreamsfan (talk) 21:37, 19 November 2013 (EST)

So it looks like Flanders voiced those characters for the TV show, either uncredited or under a pseudonym, and Keener voiced at least some of those characters in the commercials, and at some point Keener got credited for them in the credits for The Rebirth? That's plausible, but it's a hell of an error to make. Also, Flanders possibly was the non-Caroli narrator in the commercials? Wow. -hx (talk) 10:25, 20 November 2013 (EST)

Flanders was uncredited for season 4 (just like John Moschitta and Tony St. James), but I really love Keener's Sixshot voice. SIXSHOT'S MY NAME!!! Keener even seems to have voiced Blaster in his own commercial. The difference is that Keener's deep voices are natural, as you can see in the documentary in Keener's page. Flanders' deep voices are quite good but (as I noticed with Hardhead when he screamed) his pitch tends to vary. Although Flanders can sound forced sometimes (Abominus in Grimlock's New Brain and Money is Everything), his acting is excellent. But Keener could have been a great actor to have in the show if it had not ended in the Rebirth, just watch the Sixshot commercial. He's PERFECT!!! I get the feeling he would have been intended to voice one of the background characters or some characters that were intended to be in the original five-parter (Fasttrack, who even had a character model ready to go), but never got the chance to even get in the recording booth. It's just a feeling, but still, love his Sixshot. I would have loved to see him as a Monsterbot or a Duocon (his smooth voice could be perfect for that)

--Starscreamsfan (talk) 10:49, 20 November 2013 (EST)

So, for the record, in case anyone stumbles on this page in a year or so, doubt has been cast on Starscreamsfan's assertions about Ed Flander's contribution to Transformers and the changes have been rolled back pending further information. --abates (talk) 18:18, 8 December 2013 (EST)

So, as per abates' prediction, I have indeed stumbled upon this page and... hoo, boy. So let me get this straight...

Ed Flanders and Stephen Keener are two completely different actors. According to Flanders' son, Flanders worked on the TF cartoon but uncredited, and voiced Hardhead, Scorponok etc. Keener was a voice-over guy who did a lot of Transformers TV ads and - perhaps due to his impressive work on the ads, was given an (unidentified) part in the full show (or maybe just The Rebirth?)

All that seems to be the gist of the discussion above, sorry if I've misinterpreted.

So, question: why do we only have a page for Keener, and not for Flanders also, given that, according to Flanders' son (who we have to take at face value), Flanders made the greater contribution to the show? Cheers! Ryan Frost (talk) 17:11, 29 September 2015 (EDT)

Because we figured out that the guy who was claiming to be Flanders's son was, in fact, not his son at all, but an editor abusing multiple accounts to pretend to be his son to try and "prove" that Flanders was in Transformers, when there's actually no evidence at all that he was. - Chris McFeely (talk) 17:24, 29 September 2015 (EDT)

A number of the other voice actor credits Starscreamsfan added turned out to have no corroborating sources either. --abates (talk) 17:27, 29 September 2015 (EDT)

I linked it on the AllSpark a while back, but check out this amazingly fake write-up. - Chris McFeely (talk) 17:31, 29 September 2015 (EDT)

Oh, okay, cheers guys - so Starscreamsfan was just making stuff up? I see Flanders still has a TF credit to his name on IMDb, I take it that's also bogus? Ryan Frost (talk) 17:46, 29 September 2015 (EDT)

Yes, if you see Ed Flanders's name connected to Transformers or G.I. Joe anywhere, it's Starscreamsfan's bullshit that someone hasn't managed to remove yet. I believe he genuinely THOUGHT Ed Flanders was on TF because he thought some voices SOUNDED like it, but he's gone out of his way to fake "evidence" for it - he didn't even do this here on TFWiki first, he did it on Anime News Network first. It would be easier to believe some of his lies if he wasn't so bad at identifying obvious voices - thanks to that fake site, for instance, IMDB has him as "The Viper" in G.I. Joe, a character that was unambiguously played by Michael Bell. He tried to claim one of Bell's TF characters was Flanders too. Like, jesus FUCK, dude, there is literally no way to mistake Michael Bell for anyone else. - Chris McFeely (talk) 17:54, 29 September 2015 (EDT)

Baskerville

Is there a reason for the disambig with Stephen Baskerville? Did someone claim they were the same guy too? Chip (talk) 10:27, 12 February 2016 (EST)

Because they have the same first name? We do this on other pages. Escargon (talk) 10:31, 12 February 2016 (EST)

He just stopped (voice) acting

If his Linked-In page is indeed correct, he hasn't disappeared from existence, he just quit acting, owned a construction company and later became a minister. Is that part of the "joke" or something? --MistaTee (talk) 01:04, 1 August 2017 (EDT)

You're absolutely correct my good man. Energizier 01:54, 19 March 2021 (EDT)

Whoah

Holy grail not for much longer! --Nevermore (talk) 21:12, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

Any info about him from the convention? I can never afford to go to these things. Evan1975 (talk) 18:17, 14 November 2018 (EST)

He's working in the construction industry. [1] Energizer (talk) 18:09, 30 November 2019 (EST)

Sad news

Confirmed by his daughter. [2] Energizier 22:33, 5 April 2022 (EDT)