Talk:Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)

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I think Cybertron should be defined as its own continuity Seperate from the Armada/Energon Story, Outside of the Comic and Toy Package references the Cartoon has far too many Historical Diferences, like the folowing:

-The first Episode Optimus talks as if they will be the first Autobots on Earth and must remain hidden from the population (by the time of Energon Tranformers were puplic knowledge on Earth)

-Minicons come from Giant Planet, as opposed to Unicron himself

-When Leobreaker and Optimus first Link-up they all act as if this is unheard of, this was later ignored when Wingsaber and Optimus talked about a Accidental Power Linking they previously shared. (Power Linking for Optimus was a Minor Part of Armada, and a Major part for all Autobots in Energon)

- Their Earth Allies from Armada/Energon (Rad, Carlos, Alexis, Kicker and the rest of the Jones Family) are not seen or mentioned at all

It should be noted that at no point during the Energon cartoon is the existance of Transformers demonstrated to be public knowledge. Every human they're seen with is working for the Earth Federation's energon projects. --KilMichaelMcC 13:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Rad, Carlos, Alexis, and Kicker ARE seen in the final episode of Cybertron, in scenes added to the American version.
• In the Fan Club Cybertron comic, Vector Prime explains that the Unicron Singularity is causing memory glitches in the Autobots as time and space is distorted.
• Armada and Energon have lots of continuity contradictions, too. Oh, and let's not even get into the continuity/origin contradictions in the G1 cartoon from season to season.
• Hasbro says they're the same story. 'Nuff said.

--ItsWalky 13:42, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Nuff said indeed. The one thing that irritates me more than GEEWUNISM are the fans who are so obsessed that they think it is their right to control what Transformers can and cannot do. Like it or not, it belongs to Hasbro and if they say that Optimus Prime was a truck driver stuck in a time warp that got fused with his delivery vehicle, then it happened. You can't just say what did or did not happen because you happen to dislike the direction. I would have MUCH preferred that Cybertron have been handled more closely as a sequel, but I openly accept Fun Publication's explanations for the continuity errors.

--Bodycount

Oooooh. I can see it now. Transformers, starring Turbo Teen! (ducks and runs)--G.B. Blackrock 18:34, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

The major problem with these continuity errors is because of the change over from the japanese Galaxy Force to the american Cybertron. In all events its best thinking of Galaxy force and cybertron as another alternate universe (despite them trying to merge them with a few added images as mentioned further up in this discussion). (Menchicutlets)-- 15:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Lousy Effort

Who is not even putting up a very good effort on these Armada, Energon and Cybertron sections? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.234.144.73 (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

We're trying to get them done eventually, thank you very much, but it takes a long time to watch, rewatch and then write a decent episode summary article, and given the quality of the series in question, I don't think many people have the inclination to write them. If you want them filled out, how about helping us by contributing yourself? --FFN 16:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Considering HIS "contributions" in that area consisted of nothing more than super-shitty barely-English one-paragraph pages? I'd rather he DIDN'T. --M Sipher 18:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Which is why I asked you guys if he should have been given a 'time out' given his repeated disregard for our rules and standards. --FFN 19:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

"Lousy effort" seems like a pretty good descriptor of your additions thus far! Half-English half-paragraphs, no formatting? Thanks! --ItsWalky 19:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Lousy effort seems like a good descriptor from Armada-Cyb, which I think is the root cause for tha apathy towards them.

I haven't even WATCHED half of the UT, and I have little desire to. Inflicting 30 hours of truly awful television on myself out of a feeling of obligation had yet to win out, despite my own completionist tendencies towards fiction. -Derik 22:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Only one editing?

Why you made me the only one editing? You think I'm the expert and elite on this? Thats why YOU MADE ME DO ALL YOUR WORK?!!! I'm not the expert at Transformers, you are not me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.234.144.73 (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

You're right, we're sorry. Because of your effort, we'll triple your pay. Wait a minute.

To be honest, Cybertron is still fairly fresh in everybody's mind, so there's no real demand for this information quite yet, but at the same time it's not fresh and hot as the movie, which because it's essentially the most prominent aspect of Transformers right now, has a huge demand for info.

On this wiki, everything, like, everything gets added eventually. But I, personally, have trouble adding details on episodes when the DVDs aren't out yet.--Zodberg 22:50, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Nobody's making you do anything. You might as well as why no-one making Beast Wars episode articles. You going to do those too, just because no-one else is? Cause that's the only reason they're not being made - no-one's gotten around to doing them yet. And a big part of that is that a lot of us find the Unicron Trilogy a tremendous slog to get through, and just aren't enthusiastic enough about it to do stuff on the wiki that deals with it. This isn't supposed to be "work," y'know. It's for fun, and if you're not going to have fun doing it, well... don't. Like everything else on the wiki, it'll be made when someone decides that they want to do it. - Chris McFeely 22:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

We'll see Armada finished before Energon or Cybertron, because DVDs are available and the episodes were widely distributed back in the day. I don't even have a copy of Fallen or the other early episodes of Cybertron, just the Galaxy Force originals (which of course creates a problem as Cyb and GF don't jive with one another, so I can't simply use them as proxies). I'm certainly not going to go out and buy the few available Cybertron DVDs just to do recaps. --FFN 02:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

May I suggest watching Youtube to know all Armada, Energon and Cybertron episodes?(Soldier 79 01:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC))

Pain count and such

I am highly amused by the mockery the Energon episodes are getting, but I wonder what could we do for the Cybertron episodes? Should there be a Lost in translation section, even though we know both Cyb and GF are different for a reason? There are conversations that are different that have no bearing on Takara/Gonzo's decision to make it a new continuity.

How about the pain count? How many times Prime resorts to Super Mode as the first and only resort in battle? :) --FFN 16:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, what causes you pain? What makes you want to pull you hair out every time it happens? Cybertron has an unbelievable amount of stock footage, but I don't recall any of the painfully repetitive dialog that Energon and Armada had. -- Repowers 17:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I recommed we start with counting every instance of "Cyber key power!" in an episode, as I did for Space.
Part of the problem is that Cybertron is in fact better, so there's less pain, and there's certainly less instances of the same pain over and over. JW 17:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Even though I hate the stock footage (particularly that episode where they padded it out by showing the Sonic Convoy sequence twice), I think the bit where Prime's faceplate slides up during Supermode looks very cool. --FFN 02:21, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I can't argue with that. Even as I'm sitting there A) feeling robbed of time 'cause I'm watching the same thing over and over, and B) feeling grossly manipulated into buying the toys, I'm still going, "Ooo, shiny!" I guess the 12-year-old in me is still alive and kickin'. JW 03:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

That and obsessive-compulsive disorders. --FFN 03:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Autobots and Earth

I'm not sure what the basis of this line is: The Autobots act as though they've never been to Earth before and have no familiarity with its culture, despite having spent ten years there in places like Ocean City. I don't recall any instances of the Autobots who are known to have actually been on Earth before acting like this. Landmine certainly does, but I don't think he ever set foot on Earth during Energon, did he? He certainly didn't spend ten years there. Were there instances of Optimus, Hot Shot, Red Alert, or Jetfire expressing a lack of familiarity with Earth? --KilMichaelMcC 16:59, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Jetfire, IIRC, is among the Autobots who require a crash course in Earth culture from the humans. Nobody understands traffic laws, or the notion of disguise. I think there's more, but it's been a year or more since I watched the show. -- Repowers 17:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

It's also been a while for me to, but as far as I recall it was just the civilian refugees who needed to be taught about traffic laws and such. --KilMichaelMcC 17:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I watched only one episode of Cybertron from start to finish, and I distinctly remember Optimus Prime having to learn traffic laws. Of course, I can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning, so anything I remember should be taken with a grain of salt. Semysane 17:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, just rewatched the first 3 episodes. In "Hidden", the Autobots (Jetfire and Prime specifically) are totally reliant upon the 3 kids to teach all the civilians traffic laws and find ordinary-looking disguises for them. Prime says to Jetfire "we couldn't do this without them." So.... what happened to the dozens or hundreds of humans living in Ocean City? They couldn't call up a few of them? There's definitely an incongruity there. -- Repowers 04:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, there's clearly been an unexplained changed in the status of the Autobots on Earth. For some reason, they have to be in hiding and keep their presence secret now instead of working with the Earth Federation. --KilMichaelMcC 05:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

The Unicron Singularity did it. I love that thing, it explains away every plot hole in every fiction ever made. Semysane 05:43, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Production info

Can anyone provide any production info on the series for the article? eg: animation studio(s), timelines, and so forth?

Remove the Force Chip/Cyber Key attack callouts list?

Didn't we have a discussion at some point in the past to ditch that entire section? It's just a long boring list of meaningless engrish words that Bodycount or somebody wrote (and then added into the character articles themsleves until we removed them.) --FFN 10:15, 26 July 2009 (EDT)

Here we go. An anonymous user added them back in May which was then swiftly removed by Chris. He reverted Chris' edits a few days ago. --FFN 10:19, 26 July 2009 (EDT)

The objective of this Wiki is to be a repository of knowledge... so isn't that list knowledge as well, given that it's not to be found anywhere else on the site? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.156.10.232 (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

I kinda like having the Force Chip attack callouts. It's kinda the same reason why I added the Japanese publication info for the movie-verse tie-in novels and other publications. --Lonegamer78 16:04, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

I concur with Lonegamer78 ... I know we're not hugely keen on lists, but this is interesting information. Perhaps it just needs a different home? --Jimsorenson 16:13, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

I suppose if they go anywhere, they should go in the individual characters' cartoon sections. --M Sipher 16:29, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

That, I won't say no to. :D Makes a lot more sense. (And that I have "Force Chip - IGNITION!" permanently etched in my brain after a marathon viewing with a friend) --Lonegamer78 10:56, 28 July 2009 (EDT)

English writers

Do we know who wrote which episodes for the English version? Marc Handler's site says he wrote 6 of the episodes, but not which ones. I took a quick check of an episode, but couldn't see a writer credit... --abates 06:13, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

Alas, no, they don't have individual credits. There might be a group credit for writers in the credits at the end, I haven't checked recently. - McFeely, not signed in.

Malaysian DVDs

Sometime in 2007, a complete DVD boxset of the Cybertron series was released in Malaysia which, despite initial appearances, was apparently not a bootleg, given that it was region-encoded (Region 3, to be precise).{{#if:|{{{quote2}}}}}{{#if:|{{{2}}}{{#if:|, {{{3}}}|}}|}}

Is that the only reason why it's considered official, because it's not region 0? Because that really doesn't mean anything. I've got a couple of region-locked discs in my collection that are definitely bootlegs. - Magnus Maximus 11:48, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

I can't even remember at this point. Maybe it is a bootleg! But how do you make a bootleg with DVD-quality visuals when no DVDs existed at the time to be copied? And would a bootleg go to the bother of creating two audio tracks (2.0 and 5.1) and accurately transcribing the English episodes to make subtitles? (This not sarcasm, it's genuine lack of knowledge.) - Chris McFeely 12:04, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

Continuity Notes

So, I've noticed with quite a few episode summaries that things that happen that come back from previous episodes are under "Transformers References, and not "Continuity Notes." Is there any reason for this? I'd be more than willing to change it, as I feel "Transformers References" should be something that references a past series, not something in the same series.
- Nyran 15:23 PM, 14, July, 2013

That'd be 'cause we didn't really have a "continuity notes" header that we widely used at the time. - Chris McFeely 18:34, 14 July 2013 (EDT)

So, should we? - Nyran 15:35 PM, 14, July, 2013

Character List?

The character list seems to be missing the Autobot refugees, and the other Gigantion minicons (i.e. Stripmine). May I add them? ...or is the list just supposed to be main cast? Because if that is the case, than I will just add text that the list is just the main cast.

Also why are Wingsaber and Mudflap listed as "Other" when they are both Cybertron native?

I would make those changes, but I just wanted to ask first.

Thank you! -west james/notirishman 11:51, 10 September 2017 (EDT)

Given the sheer number of characters in any given cartoon, we tend to make character lists of main characters only. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 19:18, 10 September 2017 (EDT)

So should I state that it is a main character list similar to the RID'15 cartoon page? Also I still don't know why Wingsaber and Mudflap listed as "Other" when they are both Cybertron native?

Wing Saber and Mudflap were unique cases who didn't fall into the same categories as the others of their respective factions. While we know that they both came from Cybertron, Mudflap first appeared on Earth as a non-main character Autobot refugee who later joined the Decepticons after his being on Earth, so he wasn't part of the same "Cybertron native" Decepticon group as Megatron, Starscream, and Thundercracker, who all came to Earth together as one group at the series' start. Likewise, Wing Saber is listed separately from the other "Cybertron native" Autobots since he wasn't part of that original group that Optimus, Hot Shot, Jetfire, Landmine, Overhaul, Red Alert, and Scattershot were, as he came into the show much later long after everyone was already on Earth. --Sabrblade (talk) 22:36, 11 September 2017 (EDT)

Ah... I see, Thanks. -west james/notirishman (talk) 23:23, 31 December 2017 (EST)

Cybertron Defense Team

Just a quick question that I wanna get some opinions on:

Should we possibly have the Autobot Cybertron Natives list go like this?

• Optimus Prime (Garry Chalk)
• Jetfire (Brian Drummond)
• Landmine (Paul Dobson)
• Overhaul/Leobreaker (Paul Dobson/Dave Ward)
• Cybertron Defense Team
  • Hot Shot (Kirby Morrow)
  • Red Alert (Brian Dobson)
  • Scattorshot (Richard Ian Cox)

I know it's a bit of a stretch since the Cybertron Defense Team wasn't established until quite late in the show, but I just wanted to get some opinions on whether it would be worth editing that way or leaving it. Since it is a subgroup and most of our cartoon pages include just about every other subgroup name used within the show in the main cast list, I thought it would at least be worth a discussion. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 04:47, 17 November 2020 (EST)

Is Galaxy Force really a sequel to Super Link?

I checked TakaraTomy's website, and some pages of Transformers Archive Super Encyclopedia published a few months ago, and as far as I understand, Takara thinks that Galaxy Force is not a direct sequel to Super Link. (If Google Translate is correct): "Unlike the overseas version, there is no direct connection to the previous two games in Japan, and the worldview is completely new." As for the encyclopedia, the book doesn't outright says it, but implies that Galaxy Force is not a sequel. 0TheLegend0 (talk) 12:50, 16 August 2024 (EDT)

This is literally mentioned multiple times throughout this article. Saix (talk) 13:03, 16 August 2024 (EDT)

Sorry for the late reply, but... As I said, Takara doesn't seem to think Galaxy Force is a sequel to Super Link. Also, "As it went on, the show made subtle attempts to fix this and tie itself back to the previous two cartoons" What subtle attempts, may I ask? Sorry, it's been a while since I watched GF, so I might misremember but I don't recall any connections to the previous two cartoons. 0TheLegend0 (talk) 05:09, 18 August 2024 (EDT)

Per our main Cybertron article, "According to an October 2004 press release by We've, the producers of the series, Galaxy Force was originally a continuation of the previous Super Link series (known as Energon in Hasbro's markets). However, a few weeks later, the November issue of Newtype magazine did a special feature on the then-upcoming Galaxy Force where there was no connection to the previous series. [...] TakaraTomy rapidly scrambled to bring Galaxy Force back in line with the rest of the Japanese Unicron Trilogy as per the original plan. In addition to liner notes published with the Galaxy Force DVDs making references to previous series in a manner that mirrored the American material before the show was even off the air, a timeline and flowchart published on TakaraTomy's World of the Transformers website in early 2007 outright stated that Galaxy Force took place in the Unicron Trilogy universe, albeit only one year after Energon/Super Link, rather than the ten years established in American material." -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 13:17, 18 August 2024 (EDT)