Talk:Xaaron (G1)

Query: Is Emirate his title, and Xaaron his name? Would this mean he should be category listed as Xaaron, Emirate? --KilMichaelMcC 20:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Emirate is a rank. IIRc the blue guy from WWI that lost his head was called Emirate Xenon- (but I'm not sure where I'm getting that from, I see no list of his name online anywhere. Possibly the Geosensus story.) -Derik 22:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Emirate Xeon, and I believe he's referred to by name in the TWW preview book. (Was that a FCBD thing or something?) -LV 01:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Move article to "Xaaron"?

Since he is just "Xaaron" in IDW, should we lose the the title "Emirate" from the article name and just go with "Xaaron"? - Starfield 10:58, 21 September 2010 (EDT)

I'd say yes, also because it's a title and not part of his name. —Interrobang 11:01, 21 September 2010 (EDT)

So is prime in Optimus Prime but we keep it Optimus Prime because of common sense. And we keep it in the original title. We dont change Jazz to Autobot Jazz because his name was changed for some of the toys. Same with Rodimus Prime being Rodimus Minor. --92.238.181.196 12:00, 21 September 2010 (EDT)

"Optimus Prime" is pretty literally his name, just one that sometimes also indicates rank. And what exactly do toy names have to do with anything? —Interrobang 12:47, 21 September 2010 (EDT)

Add another yes vote. As to the point about Primes and such, those were revealed as titles long after the fact. Emirate was known to be a title from the beginning. --Khajidha 12:48, 21 September 2010 (EDT)

Design / toy

"In Emirate Xaaron's very first fictional appearance, his head design was clearly based on the Generation 1 Megatron toy, minus the larger grey helmet and the gun kibble. His chest looks a little Megatrony as well."

I'm fairly certain that this is incorrect as I owned a Xaaron toy in the mid-eighties, it's plausible it's still around somewhere and if I get the chance I'll look for it.

The toy in question was a pre-mold of "http://tfu.info/1988/Destron/Browning/browning.htm". When purchased it was not part of the transformers franchise and while I'm not sure I do think it was my very first toy of this kind. I'm guessing it was bought sometime during 1985 or 1986, certainly before 1988 when it was apparently incorporated into the Japanese line. I usually bought toys during summer vacation because they were cheaper in France than in Sweden so it was probably bought there, but I can't be sure.

The differences between the Browning toy and the one I had (might still have) are as follows: obviously it had no Destron sticker, the blue plastic in the arms was yellow, the blue plastic on the legs was red, the silver plastic making up the barrel, arms and shoulders was a much duller gray but still somewhat metallic looking, I don't remember the blue plastic thing in front of hist stomach at all, it might have been black, yellow or non-existant, the text on the side of the handle was probably missing too, the midriff was yellow and had a much smaller red sticker making the torso a perfect match for how he's drawn, the head was square but otherwise an exact match for the Xaaron character, stripes in mouth, grills on the sides of his cheeks, crown and all. The kibble and black parts seem identical.

If I find this tow I'll post a picture.

If I do not I can assure you that it's resemblance to Xaaron is much, much greater than his resemblance to Megatron and I'm fairly certain that the person who originally designed the character MUST have based it on this toy.

Yeah, you aren't going to get back to us on this. 75.61.110.41 15:49, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

For posterity's sake, here's a link to the old Kingdam Browning knockoff that the original poster was undoubtedly talking about. As you can see, he's misremembered bits of it, and it clearly isn't Xaaron. -LV 20:14, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

Name vs. title (again)

I've just trawled through Xaaron's appearances in the Marvel UK and US comics and, contrary to what I expected, there doesn't appear to be anything to suggest that 'Emirate Xaaron' isn't simply the guy's full name. When he first appears in an issue, he's almost always referred to as 'Emirate Xaaron', and thereafter as just 'Xaaron' (although very occasionally he's addressed by another character as 'Emirate'), much as is the case with Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus. The first unambiguous use of Emirate as a title ('the Emirate') appears to be that made with reference to Xeon in War Within issue 2. It may be relevant to note that, if 'Emirate Xaaron' is his full name, he's one of the earliest characters to have a two-word name in the comics - he first appeared in the 1986 UK annual published at the end of 1985, so he precedes Omega Supreme and Ultra Magnus, as far as the comics go. Unless you count Long Haul and (occasionally) Bluestreak, his might actually be the first two-word name after Optimus Prime - and of course 'Optimus Prime' was just a name, before TF:TM saw the reinterpretation of 'Prime' as a title. This would make sense, as with only one precedent there's more scope for individual variation, before the Latinate tendency became fixed. So unless there's something I've missed, I'm convinced that 'Emirate Xaaron' was intended to be the character's full name, and was modelled on 'Optimus Prime', but has since been reanalysed as TF naming conventions have evolved. Like everyone else, I'd always thought of 'Emirate' as a title, since it's an actual word, but it looks like it was just a false friend. -- Tribimat 23:52, 28 April 2012 (EDT)

You may be right. That's all I can really say. Nothing in G1 says "Emirate" is a title, so it would be an assumption to call it one. A pretty good assumption though, since it sure sounds like a title. - Starfield 00:09, 29 June 2012 (EDT)

Where to put Wreck N Rule Collection info?

This long overdue but a statue of Xaaron appears on the Wreckers mural from collecting the boxes, and his name on the buildable hammer. Would this info better fit in Toys, Notes, or Fiction? since it isn't really a toy of Xaaron himself. -BluJayWarrior (talk) 20:35, 13 June 2024 (EDT)

Been a long while, so I drafted up an entry about the Xaaron art and hammer. Made it a toy entry; though they aren't toys per-se, it is two Xaaron-related things formed by collecting all the toys, sort of like a build-a-figure? That's my logic anyway. I'm going to add it in as such if no one says a better way to add in this information. -BluJayWarrior (talk) 22:39, 21 February 2025 (EST)

Both Sea squid and Transwarp cruiser show similar examples. As the writer of both of them I wasn't sure if they were Toys or Merchandise, but they should each get the same category, whatever it is. --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 23:51, 21 February 2025 (EST)

Welp tried adding it and it got removed quickly by someone else. So would this be better in notes section, elsewhere or do we just let it languish in the the abyss of knowledge. -BluJayWarrior (talk) 23:42, 25 February 2025 (EST)

Unless it's an actual toy you can play with, I don't think it belongs under toys. It's more akin to the profiles on the back of the box and would probably go under fiction? --abates (talk) 02:00, 26 February 2025 (EST)

Could this qualify as a Merchandise item in the vein of the buildable Netflix Teletraan? I hesitate to put it in fiction as there is a still a physical aspect to it of assembling the hammer parts and boxes to form his image, and there isn't any text referring to Xaaron in any of the bios outside of on the hammer base. -BluJayWarrior (talk) 02:26, 26 February 2025 (EST)

Possibly in the very loosest sense, but I feel like it's more suited to being under fiction, personally. It's artwork rather than an item, though possibly the hammer would count? --abates (talk) 03:12, 26 February 2025 (EST)

If you truly feel like this is notable, it's notes material at the most. We're not making toy/merch writeups for every time a (statue of a) character shows up in packaging art or if they're mentioned in writing somewhere. Saix (talk) 09:12, 26 February 2025 (EST)

Notes seems reasonable, but the whole "these boxes go together to make a big image of Xaaron" definitely is notable enough to mention on Xaaron's own page. -hx (talk) 20:19, 26 February 2025 (EST)