User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27/Archive 1

This archive has been reorganized with custom headers to make it read in order and to make things easier to find. All headers made by me are in italics.

Image tags

Hi! In the future, would you mind adding tags to the photos you upload? I already added some to your recent uploads as examples. Please have a look. Thanks! Prime Radiant (talk) 14:41, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

Sorry about that. I'm still a little new to this. I'll remember that in future! Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 16:05, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

Leaked toys

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Going forward, please don't add information about leaked toys, even if there are in-hand reviews. Wait until they're officially announced. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 12:48, 5 November 2020 (EST)

My bad, I noticed someone had done something with the new leak of SS Starscream (Bumblebee). So I thought Bumblebee should be there too. I'll remember not to add leaked figures in future and wait until HasTak make official announcements. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 13:38, 5 November 2020 (EST)

In my defense, I have just been on Instagram and realized that SS72 Starscream (Bumblebee) has since been officially announced by Hasbro. At the time I discovered the edit on the wiki and made my edits, it was only a few leaked video screenshots or something that someone had posted on some "spoiler" IG accounts I follow and I couldn't find any other proof of it being officially announced anywhere on the internet. Again, I know I'm still in the wrong and I apologize for that, but at the time I assumed it was something that the wiki still takes note of. I have since read up on the rule link you posted and it won't happen again. :)

(P.S. There are so many rule pages, policy pages, and template pages that I have never come across before and I stumble upon them from time to time as I do my rounds on the wiki. Some of these pages are actually really hard to find for someone new on the wiki - I didn't find out the copyright template used for images until a couple of days ago, previously I had just been going through and adding images while manually typing the catergory section beneath, I have to say its a lot easier after finding the templates and I still have to go through and edit some of my pictures to follow that format). Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 16:41, 5 November 2020 (EST)

Image placement

Please don't put images next to each other in the code. This leads to visually unappealing results and they should be paced out. Two images for short fiction sections is also excessive. Saix (talk) 11:24, 10 November 2020 (EST)

Also please consider whether an image is actually necessary to the page. Not every image on the wiki with Grindor in it needs to be on his page. Saix (talk) 11:56, 10 November 2020 (EST)

Sorry, my bad. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 14:46, 10 November 2020 (EST)

Dylan Gould's pets

How many pets does Dylan Gould has? because in Dark of the Moon, when the Chicago invasion began, he mentioned dogs in plural when he ordered their transfer to the back of his apartment in Trump Tower, which means is more than one, and later when his prisioner was observing Megatron and Sentinel through a telescope, it's possible to see two dogs, but i fear that he has more than just two, and more animal species beyond just dogs as pets. If anyone knows how many he has, just type it here the answer. Thanks! --Cybertron Forever (talk) 11:30, 23 November 2020 (EST)

I watched the movie recently and I'm pretty sure it was just two dogs. Is this relevant to the wiki though? Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 14:24, 23 November 2020 (EST)

Yes it is! because they don't have any article on this wiki, and so i'm planning to make one. Thanks. --Cybertron Forever (talk) 14:35, 24 November 2020 (EST)

Do you have the real names of the dogs? Or the names of the dogs in-universe? The reason Mojo, Frankie and Bonecrusher are listed is because they have names both on-screen and are credited. If you are able to find proof of names to back up your page for Dylan's dogs, then I'd be happy to back you up. But if you can't then I'm not sure the page would be worth making. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 15:43, 24 November 2020 (EST)

Well, i've been searching on the DOTM credits to find out, but it's much harder than i expected. I looked at all of them and the only dog actor that i found (besides Bonecrusher the Mastiff (which is the dog actor who played Bonecrusher)) is Finnegan the Dog, who played Desert Dog (uncredited) in the film. Now i don't know who is this "Desert Dog" in the movie, but if the Desert Dog is supposed to be one of Dylan's dogs in the film, than we already have one, if he's not, than i'll keep searching until i find. As for the second dog, i have no idea how i'm going to discover who's the dog actor who played the second Dylan's dog in the film, so i might need help to solve this. --Cybertron Forever (talk) 15:10, 27 November 2020 (EST)

Going by the title it would suggest to me that Finnegan played a stray dog wandering the ruins of Chicago and wasn't a real character. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 15:27, 27 November 2020 (EST)

I recently discovered Dylan's dogs names in-universe (sorta). I read the DOTM movie novelization and in the page that contains the chapter where Carly is observing Megatron and Sentinel through a telescope, they're mentioned as "Watchdogs", that's not their real names, but at least it's a nickname that the novel gave to them. --Cybertron Forever (talk) 17:27, 30 November 2020 (EST)

I'm not entirely sure that's enough evidence, you may have to contact someone else about it. I haven't actually read the novelization of any of the films, So I'm not sure I am much help with this. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 17:31, 30 November 2020 (EST)

It's okay, after all, i still need to know what's the nickname that the junior novelization gave to them. That is why i said sorta the last time i talked to you here. Don't worry despite what you've said to me now, you helped me very much, and i think i'm getting closer to find out. I'll contact someone else to talk about that tomorrow. Thanks! --Cybertron Forever (talk) 19:55, 30 November 2020 (EST)

If it helps, it looks like the names of the dog actors were Shooter and Hottie[1]. --abates (talk) 21:28, 30 November 2020 (EST)

Dylan Gould's assistant

Well if you don't think "maid" is a great name for the elderly lady who work for Dylan Gould that appears when Sam Witwicky visited Carly Spencer in her job at Hotchkiss Gould Investments and when Dylan revealed he work for Decepticons in DOTM. Then how should we call her? Also do you know her "In universe real name" and the actress who played her in the movie? Because i want to create an article about her, but i need to know who played her in the film to create an article about her in-film role. And fast because the image that i uploaded is about to be deleted. --Cybertron Forever (talk) 17:14, 13 December 2020 (EST)

A maid is generally someone who does cleaning, whereas the elderly lady in question appears to be an assistant of some sort. The information you're looking for is likely to be in the movie's internal documentation which, AFAIK, has never been made public, so you're looking for information which I don't believe is available to us. --abates (talk) 18:22, 13 December 2020 (EST)

I discovered that her Brazilian voice actor is Marly Ribeiro, but of course that piece of information is not enough, since the article about Dylan's dogs was created only because they both have "in-universe" names (or in this case nicknames) and the identity of the dog actors who played them confirmed. I was originally going to call her "Dylan Gould's aide", due to the fact that she helps him the same way Charlotte Mearing's aide does, but i called her maid because the word "aide" was used for the Trump Tower's female workers in his dogs' article. So i'll call her Dylan Gould's assistant okay? As for how i'm going to save the image i uploaded from being deleted is by creating an article about her, but first, i need to find more information about her. And trust me, it's not gonna be easy racing against time, since i'll have to find something that is most likely impossible to find before time runs out. --Cybertron Forever (talk) 11:09, 14 December 2020 (EST)

Her name is Jennifer Williams. She was in charge of set decoration for the film, she had a part in the DVD bonus features explaining some of the behind the scenes stuff, that's how I found out. She wasn't credited for her cameo at all though, only the set decoration. As for her cameo, she seems to be his assisstant. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 19:11, 14 December 2020 (EST)

Just thought I should update you, i've made a page for her actress herself and i'm going to create a page for the in-film role. Marry Christmas! --Cybertron Forever (talk) 22:22, 28 December 2020 (EST)

Project: Black Knife

Do you and/or Abates know something about Project: Black Knife from Revenge of the Fallen? Because i'm also planning in creating its page. --Cybertron Forever (talk) 18:36, 29 December 2020 (EST)

As far as I am aware, Project: Black Knife was only hunting down different forms of technology with high energy readings. Other than that, I don't think we have much else to go on. I'm not familiar with the Sector Seven ARG stuff, so you could see if there is any mention of it there. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 18:40, 29 December 2020 (EST)

I just created the page for the Project: Black Knife. Go and check it out! Thanks for the information that you've provided. --Cybertron Forever (talk) 19:49, 29 December 2020 (EST)

Human Collaborators

I am going to create a page about all the humans who work for the Decepticons in Dark of the Moon. Should "Human Collaborators" be considered an organization or a group? If you know what should i consider about them, then i'll make it happen. Spoiler: all the members who were not in Chicago were killed by the Decepticons, all the members who were in Chicago, except for their leader were killed by Bumblebee when he destroyed the apartment in Trump Tower, and finally, Dylan is killed by Sam. everything i'll insert on the page is based on what i learned when i watched the film, so this claim of mine about all them being dead at the end of the film is true so don't change-it please. Hope you have a Happy New Year. --Cybertron Forever (talk) 23:46, 29 December 2020 (EST)

There is nothing indicating that they all died in Chicago, Dylan is the only death we can confirm. Yes, Bumblebee fires on the apartment, but we don't physically see anyone die, we just see them duck and cover. We don't even have any in-universe mentionings to go by either.

As for the page, I'm not really convinced that it's necessary. All of the subgroup and faction pages we have usually have a list of names that we can use and the page usually has an official name to work with, whereas this doesn't have any official classification within fiction, it's literally a bunch of people that were ocassionally forced to work for the Decepticons from time to time. I really don't think there is enough in there for us to work with in order to make a full page on the subject. Also, not every little thing that is mentioned on-screen or in some other form of fiction has to be made into a page, otherwise the wiki starts to get bogged down with information that starts to teeter towards fan fiction and that is not what this wiki is about. While we appreciate your effort, the page is really not needed. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 00:08, 30 December 2020 (EST)

You have a good point in what you've said, and i do understand why you think they didn't died and why a page about isn't needed, but the thing is, what i told you about all of them being killed is true. Sure we don't see any of them (besides Dylan) dying on-screen, but there're actually evidences indicating to that in DOTM and AOE.

Evidence no.1: In DOTM while the Decepticons were in their base in Africa, Megatron ordered them to kill all the human collaborators to make sure his plan wouldn't be exposed, which means they killed them off-screen in the film. They just didn't killed Dylan because he secured his freedom and survival by selling his race as slaves to them, and they didn't killed his bodyguards because every rich person as Dylan for exemple must always have someone to defend them from danger.

Evidence no.2: Also in DOTM during Bumblebee's assault in his apartment, there is one moment that shows Bumblebee's firing from Carly's point of view (POV) and in that moment it's possible to see that there were no bodyguards there. And if you saw the moment when an Orbital Assault Carrier ambushed Sam and Epps' team, the bullets from the Carriers causes a human to be reduced to dust, which is exactly what happened to them in that scene, and i know they all indeed duck and covered themselves but the fire literally obliterated his apartment completely. Also his bodyguards are so loyal to their leader that they follow him anywhere he goes if he is outside of any of his properties, (i know the garden where he revealed he work for the Decepticons to Sam belongs to his estate but he was outside of his mansion, so that also counts), but in the moment where he approached 35 East Wacker to inform that the Autobots are still alive none of his bodyguards came with him, which proves once again that they were murdered by Bumblebee when he decided they must pay for all the evil they were causing with their lives. As for how could only Dylan survive but his bodyguards couldn't? Is probably because Dylan is very agile to the point of being ready for anything and do it really fast. For exemple: to reach 35 East Wacker to inform Megatron about the situation, he had to descend from his apartment (which despite being a lower penthouse is still to high) and pass through a bridge that connects the part of the city where Trump Tower is to the part of the city where 35 East Wacker is through the destroyed streets on foot, and he does that right after Bumblebee's stolen Decepticon fighter to crash-land onto the ground, which took 1 freaking minute to crash on the streets, so if he managed pull that off in just 1 minute, then it's save to say that he also managed to survive the onslaught. I know Autobots are not allowed to kill humans in the Live-action film series, but this would repeat itself again in in AOE when Optimus Prime decided to kill Harold Attinger for his atrocities against the Autobots. Speaking of AOE...

Evidence no.3: The last evidence that they all really died is that in AOE Attinger was wanted to kill Cade because he allied himself with the Autobots, so if he was going to kill him just because he is allied to any Transformers' faction, then this means that even if the collaborators did survived the events of DOTM, death would still be their fates once Cemetery Wind came to fruition.

As for the page, i was going to create-it because the story of everything they did goes beyond what was showed to us in the film, since there're also the plotpoints about their action in the Rising Storm comic miniseries & the Convergence prose-story. But i was going to include only the members who were relevant and played an important part in the comic, prose-story and movie's plot. Those members being Dylan Gould, his father, his assistant, his bodyguards, Alexi Voskhod, his uncle, Jerry Wang and Bob Singer/(Engineer).

If you believe it or not, at least i showed something to prove my point (sort of, since there might be an error i didn't noticed that you can mention). Thanks for reading! --Cybertron Forever (talk) 11:52, 30 December 2020 (EST)

Again, this is all speculation, you have not stated anything that is concrete fact. The human collaborators are not a group, they are just people that worked for the Decepticons. We can't use speculative plot points. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 14:11, 30 December 2020 (EST)

If you have to type an essay to justify a concept you've made up, it's not an actual thing. Saix (talk) 16:56, 30 December 2020 (EST)

It's okay Fanofcoolstuff27, i understand. After all, as i said above, i explained why i wanted to create a page about the human collaborators but after what you've told me in the first reply, i decided i won't to create a page about that. But say that the evidences that none of the evidences that i explained here are concrete facts? Well maybe the evidences about the bodyguards and Cemetery Wind may really be speculations, but the evidence about the Decepticons killed them is true, because Megatron said "our human collaborators did their job very well Soundwave, now it's time to eliminate some loose ends" and after that Soundwave says "Laserbeak kill them all" so the 1st evidence is a concrete fact yes!

In other words they all died in the film yes, but i'll keep this part to myself. I won't change anything about any DOTM article or any article that has any DOTM plotpoint included in it to let obvious that they all died. Because if do, you or someone else will undo-it and i'll just do the same and then we'll be doing this until i get blocked, and if there's something don't want that happens to me is this, due to every contribution i did to this wiki until this point, and i like to be contributing to you all here. Besides it's not your fault that you think this way about the human collaborators, it's all the fault of the fans who didn't asked what happened to them in the Ask Vector Prime facebook page during the time it was active, as Vector Prime could answer this to us and their fates would be revealed to be: or dead of whatever he wanted to tell us, the novelization the junior novelization and the IDW's comic adaptation for ommiting Dylan's assistant and his bodyguards, as it's because of this that no one knew they are also collaborators before now until i created the Dylan Gould's assistant's page and being here talking about this, and from Michael Bay for not making the movie in a that would cause the movie to be rated R, since it's because of the movie being PG-13 that their fates are left ambiguous, since if the movie was rated R the movie would left very obivious that they died to fans such as you by killing them in the most grossome way, and showing them dying in the silver screen. But since nothing can be the way we want, here we are with their fates up to fan's imaginations because of all this.

I guess it's my Personal canon then, sorry if what i said here offended you. And if you want to respond, i might not be here when that happens, since i'm now going to watch Transformers: War for Cybertron: Earthrise on Netflix. Thanks. --Cybertron Forever (talk) 17:56, 30 December 2020 (EST)

Undoing an edit

Hey there! I noticed you undid a change I made to the page of Siege episode 6 'cos it was "not worth mentioning" for spoiler-y reasons. Having finished Earthrise, I was wondering if you could now tell me what those reasons were? I can give you my email if you want because anyone (including those who haven't caught up) can look at this page. Carbon(talk) 23:53, 1 January 2021 (EST)

I admit, when I first read it, I thought you meant that he died in episode 3 and then came back later, and I didn't think it should've been there, especially since he appeared alive in Earthrise (hence the spoiler comment). Going back and reading it I see I was wrong about that, however, Transformers shows have characters suffer extreme injuries and yet show up fine a few episodes later all the time with no real sense of continuity, so can it really be considered an error? Idk, it just still feels rather nitpicky than an error like, lets say, a character's hand clipping through their leg or subtitles differing from what is actually said in the show. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 00:35, 2 January 2021 (EST)

Hmm. Yeah, I see that. I just felt it was an error 'cos I thought the implication was pretty clear that he was meant to be dead, or at least badly wounded and then suddenly he appeared in episode 6, completely fine without that having been addressed at all. I am still relatively new to contributing to this wiki so I'm kinda finding my feet a little bit when it comes to what should and shouldn't be mentioned; what is and isn't an error. Thank you for the clarification/help. Carbon(talk) 02:36, 2 January 2021 (EST)

That's algood, thank you for at least checking first, a lot of people tend to just go into an undo battle until they eventually get banned, which doesn't get anyone anywhere, so you did the right thing. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 02:58, 2 January 2021 (EST)

Energon article clean up

Hey I was wondering, is there a reason that you are making the Transformers Energon page less negative? I really like how it is lol. MarKreationsStudios (talk) 11:23, 14 January 2021 (EDT)

If you look at the clean up template at the top of the page you'll see why. The bashing of Energon has been done to death at this point, the joke is no longer funny. Opinionated pages are not part of the wiki policy and the page has been in dire need of a revamp. Yes everyone hates Energon, but the page sacrifices its informativeness (if that's even a word), for biased opinions. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 14:23, 14 January 2021 (EST)

What did you even do?

Yeah, hey. I just happened to see that you somehow "added" something to what I added to Crash Landing Attack Thrust, or maybe removed something, but when I look, it appears as though nothing changed. Am I blind or what? I mean, I'm asking in the sense of understanding this wiki. Oh, just to make it clear, in case I mispoke somehow, I'm not mad or upset or anything like that that you added or removed something to or from what I typed, I'm just confused on what even got changed, and why. Beetle Bug (talk) 04:41, 11 August 2021 (EDT)

Fanofcoolstuff27 changed an underscore to a space in the Bumblebee link. This makes no difference in appearance or functionality, but is simply a "cleaner" form. --Khajidha (talk) 05:25, 11 August 2021 (EDT)

Ah, I thought so, but I wasn't sure. Thanks for that info. Beetle Bug (talk) 05:37, 11 August 2021 (EDT)

What was wrong with update I did?

Why'd you undo my update? Was there something wrong with it? If so, what exactly? Beetle Bug (talk) 03:58, 13 August 2021 (EDT)

By the way, I'm talking about the one on here: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Child_of_Primus , if there was any confusion. Beetle Bug (talk) 04:00, 13 August 2021 (EDT)

You linked to Primal's toy page when it was already correctly linking to his fiction section. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 04:08, 13 August 2021 (EDT)

To elaborate, linking to what Primal did as part of that group in the fiction that group appeared in is infinitely more important than what toy that fiction was advertising. --M Sipher (talk) 06:03, 13 August 2021 (EDT)

So to make sure I got this right, the toy in question only needed to be linked to the list that's on the page, not this sentence: "Led by the legendary champion of Primus, Optimus Primal, their battles against Unicron's Minions are known as the Universe War.". Am I correct in stating that? Beetle Bug (talk) 06:33, 13 August 2021 (EDT)

No, the list is part of the fiction write up, it has nothing to do with the toys. We do not cross toys with fiction. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 08:16, 13 August 2021 (EDT)

Then should I change the toy link update thing that I did on that list? Because I also updated the link that Optimus Primal linked too, as that toy is the same as the one in fiction. That's why I'm a tad bit confused. I mean, if the toy and the version of the Transformer in question are the same, they are generally linked like this. Well, I mean, unless I'm not paying attention to something here. Which is likely given my history. So if I'm being honest, I'm still quite confused on the issue. Well... unless..., which I'm guessing from re-reading this, that in this case the link was supposed to link to the page on the wiki that talks about his actions rather than the toy depicted in the comics. Beetle Bug (talk) 08:42, 13 August 2021

Which if that's the case, shouldn't it link to https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Optimus_Primal_(BW)/Beast_Wars_cartoon_continuity#3H_comics , rather than what it does ? Or am I, yet again, not understanding how this wiki works? Because I've seen stuff like this before, and have been witnessing it for a few years, and I'm still unable to tell the difference between "this is how the wiki works" vs. "this is an error that should be fixed". Beetle Bug (talk) 08:48, 13 August 2021 (EDT)

I already changed it. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 17:22, 13 August 2021 (EDT)

Yeah, honestly I did notice that while I was typing the "should I fix it" thing. I just didn't bother changing that. Oops. Well, anyways, what about that whole "shouldn't it link to https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Optimus_Primal_(BW)/Beast_Wars_cartoon_continuity#3H_comics , rather than what it does ?" thing? Am I right with that, or no? I'm still kinda confused about that. Like I get the rest of this, just not that part, given there's quite a few Optimus Primals mentioned on that page alone. I think that it'd be a bit confusing for people to click a link, only to be like "Now which one is the one that this refers to?", and also time consuming to have to figure that out. However, I'm not sure if that's how the wiki "works", per-se. Beetle Bug (talk) 18:22, 13 August 2021 (EDT)