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Go-Bots

Considering this wiki long ago decided to leave any non-TF-related Go Bots material to other wikis is there a reason the Go Bots comic is listed in the current release section? Indridcold13 (talk) 23:44, 7 January 2019 (EST)

Click the link to find out. Escargon (talk) 00:04, 8 January 2019 (EST)

I think he's asking why the comic series is included on here at all when it's not a Transformers comic nor tied to any Transformers media. Like, why not have GBWiki do that instead? Its main page has a News section; for lack of a "Current Releases" section of its own (understandibly so, of course), the comic series name and issue number could go there instead. --Sabrblade (talk) 00:19, 8 January 2019 (EST)

So we'd be advertising our side-wiki even less than we already do, then. Escargon (talk) 00:57, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Why not do both? It'll only be an issue for a little while. --M Sipher (talk) 00:58, 8 January 2019 (EST)

Adding icons for the IDW Hasbro and GoBots wikis

There was some discussion on the Allspark thread a couple of weeks ago about adding icons for the two sister wiki to the Main Page alongside our Twitter and Tumblr links (and also remove the Blogspot link) with a couple of mockups made to show what it would look like. You can find the two examples in the couple of posts starting here. Any feedback welcome! --abates (talk) 18:47, 15 June 2019 (EDT)

I think the version that explicitly names the other sites is preferable, but I'm not convinced by the alignment of the text over the icons in your example. You'd have to play around with it some. --Broadside (talk) 21:43, 15 June 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, I kinda threw that together just roughly to put across the idea. I'll be doing a sandbox to get all that right before going live. --abates (talk) 02:25, 16 June 2019 (EDT)

Sandbox here --abates (talk) 06:14, 18 June 2019 (EDT)

I wish we had a third social media account to fill that gap in the middle and make the text look less off-center, but I like it in concept. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 10:25, 18 June 2019 (EDT)

I kind of feel like captions indicating what the other wikis are would be preferable, but I'm not sure how to make that not look like ass... (Also, is the TFWiki.info bit actually needed?) --Broadside (talk) 13:49, 18 June 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, I feel like the ".info" bit can be safely axed. Locoman (talk) 14:09, 18 June 2019 (EDT)

I dunno, if we're paying for another domain name for branding purposes we should keep noting it. --abates (talk) 16:50, 18 June 2019 (EDT)

Why are we paying for another domain name? Just to stop anyone else taking it? Because I don't think anyone actually defaults to .info... --Broadside (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, I think that's why. A situation where Wikia/Fandom grabs tfwiki.info or whatever and points it at their Transformers Wikia would be a recipe for confusion. --abates (talk) 17:31, 18 June 2019 (EDT)

Mm. But if that's the only reason we have it, why have a link on the main page that's just a redirect to itself? --Broadside (talk) 22:28, 18 June 2019 (EDT)

I guess it's a case of it being added back when we left Wikia (We had an announcement that linked to both URLs) and the link was kept as the Main Page changed. We could perhaps instead note it on the Community Portal page. --abates (talk) 22:48, 18 June 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, I don't think there's any reason we need the link on the front page. Plus I like the balance of the text in the current sandbox. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 01:28, 19 June 2019 (EDT)

Any more input on this or can I throw it up on the main page? --abates (talk) 21:56, 26 June 2019 (EDT)

I feel like the icon that Ravage should be resting his paw on ought to be the Twitter icon. --Sabrblade (talk) 23:56, 26 June 2019 (EDT)

Twitter gets pretty snippy about having things interact with their logo/icon, while Tumblr sees to be more chill about it, hence why they're positioned the way they are. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:59, 26 June 2019 (EDT)

Did you experiment at all with text captions for the icons? --Broadside (talk) 17:09, 27 June 2019 (EDT)

I've added a version with text captions to the sandbox, though I'm not sure it looks as good as without. --abates (talk) 18:24, 27 June 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, the text just looks out of place and unbalanced. --M Sipher (talk) 20:11, 27 June 2019 (EDT)

It might look more balanced if the Twitter and Tumblr icons had text beneath them too, but one could also argue that all four having text would look too cluttered. --Sabrblade (talk) 20:16, 27 June 2019 (EDT)

Add a Breaking News Section

I say that they need to add a Breaking News Section for Breaking News in the Transformers Section. →806mtson (talk) 21:56, 19 November 2020 (EST)

We're not really a "news" kind of site. --M Sipher (talk) 22:58, 19 November 2020 (EST)

Adding a link to the "TFWiki Community" Wordpress site.

Wouldn't make since as it is technically a part of the site, and there isn't a link to it anywhere else on the wiki?DDog (talk) 00:03, 20 November 2020 (EST)

Also on the nitpicky side, shouldn't the illustration of SG Ravage be waving as he says he is when you hover over it? It kind of bugs me.DDog (talk) 00:03, 20 November 2020 (EST)

Community portal?

I know this isn't exactly the right place to ask this, but what happened to the community portal? I clicked the link in the sidebar and it came up as "create this page".--Khajidha (talk) 08:58, 25 November 2020 (EST)

Okay, looking around a bit at places where I know it is linked from I have discovered that the sidebar links to Transformers Wiki:Community portal and the actual page is Transformers Wiki:Community Portal. Notice the capitalization difference. --Khajidha (talk) 09:01, 25 November 2020 (EST)

Yeah, the sidebar appears to have reset to a default, dropping the custom links to current franchises and changing to an incorrect capitalisation for the community portal. Once the sidebar's fixed we should be good. Jalaguy (talk) 09:06, 25 November 2020 (EST)

Huh, looks like it fixed itself? --abates (talk) 14:28, 25 November 2020 (EST)

Fall of Cybertron toyline

I find it odd that Fall of Cybertron is the only franchise in the Series Information featurebox to not have a link to its own toyline. Even the original War for Cybertron has a redirect pointing to its five toys released on the Generations line. So wouldn't it make sense to also include a redirect for the FOC section of the Generations line under the FOC franchise here? Fritz (talk) 21:21, 25 November 2020 (EST)

Self Transforming Optimus Prime toys

Any articles on the self-transforming Optimus Prime G1 toy which cost $700?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0SEYM9jHVg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mzawutang (talk • contribs).

It wouldn't get its own article, though it's not absolutely clear where in our Optimus Prime (G1)/suite it would go. It blurs the line between toy and merchandise, and if it's a toy at all it would probably go on the "old" toy page simply because it isn't Generations. Not helping matters is that the Robosen and Hasbro Pulse websites each show different packaging with different product line names. --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 09:47, 19 October 2021 (EDT)

Family Guy Cutaway Gag

I remember seeing this cutaway skit on Youtube from Family Guy themed around Transformers. Something about a Decepticon named Negatron who turns into a canoe. Is it worth making a page about at all? GoodMudkip (talk) 15:48, 28 September 2021 (EDT)

Lots of other media references Transformers. We don't include any of it, because it's not official. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 15:53, 28 September 2021 (EDT)

^ Correct. We don't cover other shows making reference to Transformers unless it's an official collaboration with Hasbro. The only exception is we'll sometimes make brief mention on a voice actor's page if they reprise their character for a parody, such as David Kaye voicing Megatron in Robot Chicken. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 15:55, 28 September 2021 (EDT)

Funny you should mention the thing about David Kaye, since the skit I'm talking about had Frank Welker reprise his role as Megatron. I don't know if that makes it eligible to make a page about, but I thought it was worth bringing up. GoodMudkip (talk) 16:06, 28 September 2021 (EDT)

Still not worth a page. And we already have a note on Welker's page about him reprising Megatron and Soundwave in parodies on other shows. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 16:09, 28 September 2021 (EDT)

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying. GoodMudkip (talk) 16:11, 28 September 2021 (EDT)

Potential removal of Twitter from the "We're also on these websites:" area

Yeah...about that. FigureGunplaFan (talk) 23:13, 17 November 2022 (EST)

Let's hold off until something actually happens. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:18, 17 November 2022 (EST)

Are you not making a premature call here? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 23:19, 17 November 2022 (EST)

Yes, I know it's premature, but still. FigureGunplaFan (talk) 23:21, 17 November 2022 (EST)

We should definitely wait until Twittergeddon actually takes place before removing the link. (So in about 2 or 3 days) --abates (talk) 23:41, 17 November 2022 (EST)

Honestly I'm really scared about this.--Poliwag06 (talk) 04:25, 18 November 2022 (EST)

No. It will be fine in the end and this whole bit of conversation will look silly in a few months time. Escargon (talk) 07:42, 18 November 2022 (EST)

UPDATE: So, about that. (Yes, I know it's still premature again) FigureGunplaFan (talk) 05:41, 18 February 2023 (EST)

It's still fine. Escargon (talk) 10:47, 18 February 2023 (EST)

Fan interactions

So this happened, and it kinda jogged something in my head about what extent fan interactions like this can influence the wiki. How should I treat this next time I run into one of them?--Poliwag06 (talk) 20:38, 9 January 2023 (EST)

Nothing. This is commentary from a random writer on random fanart; it is not official material or something that clarifies it. Saix (talk) 21:29, 9 January 2023 (EST)

Icon change (or not.)

I assume that everyone's thoughts are "(in Dan from Dan VS' voice) I don't care how he rebranded Twitter, we're NOT changing the icon and its name." FigureGunplaFan (talk)

I see no reason to indulge that stale bong rip with bad hair plugs and an apartheid-earned trust fund. --M Sipher (talk) 04:37, 28 July 2023 (EDT)

This day in history

The "This Day in History" box takes up a lot of space on the front page as the date pages have grown in length over the years. What's the feeling about having it reduce so that the box just shows a handful of particularly notable items with a "More" link so people can click through to the full list?

The main drawbacks I see are (a) disagreements over what constitutes a notable item, and (b) some dates might not have anything approaching a notable item. --abates (talk) 18:16, 27 October 2023 (EDT)

GO to top feature

I've noticed that the "GO to top!" feature that's been added, while cool, is a bit buggy. especially on mobile where it just doesn't even show up when you're at the bottom of the page and on computer is shows up at the top of the page and then disappears after you scroll a bit before coming back when you've hit the bottom of a page. I was just wondering if this was still being worked on? Carno (talk) 12:03, 6 November 2023 (EST)

You need to clear your browser cache. Press Alt + F5 or Shift + F5. As for mobile, it's probably the same thing and the issue will resolve itself in due time. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 12:08, 6 November 2023 (EST)

An "Energon Universe" wiki

Greetings, everyone! I know it's too soon to ask, but just as a wiki based on IDW's Hasbro Universe was made, we now need to make a new wiki based on the "Energon Universe" by Image/Skybound. I ask you for help because the process of using MediaWiki is very different from using Fandom. Besides, I can't include lists of characters and story arcs on Wikipedia, as much as I can make other articles there. Thank you so much. Fico Puricelli (talk) 17:24, 6 December 2023 (EST)

There's no point to a separate wiki because we're covering the Energon Universe in its entirety. Saix (talk) 10:13, 8 November 2023 (EST)

Series

Following discussion on the Discord about the Series section taking up too much page real estate, I've put together a couple of solutions on a disused sandbox. I'm leaning towards take 2 or 3, since take 1 doesn't really fix the problem. Takes 2 and 3 look the same when collapsed, but behave differently once you hit the toggle to expand. Any thoughts? —TheLastGherkin (talk) 06:30, 23 March 2025 (EDT)

For me, the problem with the series listing has never been that it takes up too much space, it's that the series are laid out in an arbitrary chronological way that means it's always easier just to google/search for the specific series than use it as an index—even as someone who's familiar with the franchise's timeline. If the list was fit for purpose, the size of it wouldn't be an issue, in my opinion. For that reason, I prefer take 1, as the dropdowns make it less efficient to use as an index. The way you've condensed the Generations toylines is great, by the way. —wadapan (talk) 08:41, 23 March 2025 (EDT)

I agree with Wadapan on take 1 being the best. (Also, minor editing note, you forgot to add a “Toyline | Cartoon” section under Cyberworld.) - IGEBM13 (talk) 09:08, 23 March 2025 (EDT)

Yeah, "space" isn't really a problem here. At least, the downside of how much page space it takes is extremely minor (if this was up top it would definitely be an issue, but that far down? Being basically the last thing on the page? Nah), and the downside of reducing big obvious easy navigability of major franchises by using a bunch of dropdowns that rely on people already knowing where the series they're "after" sits in the sorting rather than being right there is, well, way more sided-downwards. And you know I'm all for watching out for pagebloat. I'm good with take 1. --M Sipher (talk) 16:32, 23 March 2025 (EDT)

Actually, one thing I'd change? Put RID2K above the UT, like you did with Animated. Despite the BW mold uses, I would not consider that part of the "Beast Era", it was a big break away from it and really should be treated as such. --M Sipher (talk) 16:39, 23 March 2025 (EDT)

Agreed, and it’s also only the Japanese version that’s connected to the Beast Era anyways. - IGEBM13 (talk) 17:10, 23 March 2025 (EDT)

How about just a format where it's kind of like a gallery where the series' logo is shown alongside all the subsections needed, then you scroll left or right to move forward on backwards in time? That sounds cool.

Like: "Series information" (Goes to wild king)<-(G1 logo)->(goes to G2) (All G1 subsections) Poliwag06 (talk) 11:20, 23 March 2025 (EDT)

I'll be honest, I don't think ever scrolled down far enough to even notice how much space the Series took up, and I don't think it really bothers me that it does. With that said, I think take one would be an improvement because the current one is kinda just... noise? the nice thick dividing lines and clean formatting help with readability. - Foffy (talk) 19:44, 23 March 2025 (EDT)

Side note, Transformers One should probably get the full name of Transformers One instead of just "One". It could even be snuck into the film series tab, with perhaps some clever rewording for the section so the "live action" bit doesn't exclude it. - Foffy (talk) 20:20, 23 March 2025 (EDT)

In regards to SS, I think it should go under Generations since a) it’s a Generations toyline and b) it includes more than live-action movie stuff (86, TFO, and GE). Thoughts? - IGEBM13 (talk) 21:53, 23 March 2025 (EDT)

Talk:Main Page: Difference between revisions

Latest revision as of 19:35, 30 May 2025

Contents

Archives

Go-Bots

Adding icons for the IDW Hasbro and GoBots wikis

Add a Breaking News Section

Adding a link to the "TFWiki Community" Wordpress site.

Community portal?

Fall of Cybertron toyline

Self Transforming Optimus Prime toys

Family Guy Cutaway Gag

Potential removal of Twitter from the "We're also on these websites:" area

Fan interactions

Icon change (or not.)

This day in history

GO to top feature

An "Energon Universe" wiki

Series

Navigation menu

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-*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]
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-*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive4|Archive4]]
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+* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive5|Archive5]]
-==WHA'PPEN?==
+* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive6|Archive6]]
+* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive7|Archive7]]
-So...what on Earth has happened to the TFWiki? Also, for some reason the old Wikia seems to have gained all of the articles that are now missing from here. (Such as the Season 3 animated stuff)
+* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive8|Archive8]]
-:Seems to me that we've reverted to a June 2008 version of the database which could be really bad news. Some of my articles [[Macabre]] for example are at the old site but not here, which would make sense since I wrote it in September 2008 before we moved here. I don't even have a login here anymore - Emvee :( [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 19:31, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-::Looks like our brain-damaged friend is back again.
-:::There's some more info on the [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51208&view=findpost&p=1155749 wiki thread in the Allspark forums]. Looks like an upgrade handled very very sloppily. I'm hoping once they restore the old database it'll overwrite the changes made in the interim, seeing as how our favorite Idiot Vandal With No Life is on a rampage. (Sigh.) Wiping out his stupid crap in one go would be priceless. (This is Jeysie, BTW.) --[[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 19:41, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-::::Thank Primus.  I was worried someone had hacked in and deleted the database. The thought of 6 months work lost filled me with dread. --abates 19:46, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-:::::Ditto. Dread all round here too. Good to know it's in hand. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 19:48, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-::::::You know... assuming it does get overwritten so we don't have to worry about undoing it, watching our pet vandal complain about how the wiki malfunctioning prevents him from vandalizing properly is one of the most morbidly hilarious things I've seen in a while. -Jeysie --[[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 20:07, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-:::::::Don't I know it, I was just having a laugh at that with the other half :) --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:16, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-:::::You know, there are some benefits about this. On the one hand, people don't have to worry about being spoiled about TransWarped. On the other, we get to see Assaulthead self-destruct in rage as he can't vandalize the wiki. However, there is one concern: What if they can't retrieve the lost information? -- (SFH) [[Special:Contributions/67.164.210.225|67.164.210.225]] 20:11, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-::::::I'm assuming that Bookworm made a database backup before he started work. Should be fairly simple to upload it again. Which means this conversation never happened. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:16, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-::::::I've decided I don't want to think about what happens if he didn't. (Realistically about all we could do is a crapload of trawling through Google's cache, but even then we'd pretty much be seriously hosed.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 20:18, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-::::::I didn't spot this thread until right after emailing Suki and Walky (one knows the code well, the other is right by the servers) about the situation (though I figure they already know), as I thought it might have been Assaulthead showing a heretofore hidden hacking genius.  (Hey, if Bulkhead can be a space bridge genius...)  I hope to heck we don't lose all those months of work.  Someone really needs to work on that update process...  --Apcog [[Special:Contributions/99.158.0.251|99.158.0.251]] 20:21, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-:::::It would be a real pain if all that work was lost. I hope it's not. How long would it take to get everything back up again? --Tribor
-Guys, stop worrying and check out the community portal talk page. That's been restored and its last post was only a couple of days ago. Unless that's the ''only'' page on the enitire wiki that was backed-up, the most that could maybe have been lost is a couple of days' worth. (Okay, as soon as I wrote this, that page got fucked up, too.) The main thing to think about is first-time visitors seeing the site like this. - Magnus Maximus
-:I just find it sad that the only person who can log in (with multiple usernames, it seems) is the guy with the (so imaginative) gift for profanity. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:49, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-::That's only because he keeps making new accounts every time he shows up, since we keep blocking the old ones.--Apcog [[Special:Contributions/72.48.68.223|72.48.68.223]] 00:15, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-What worries me, is... why is the database even that far back? Even if we somehow lost everything, we should at least be stuck in how the wiki looked when we first arrived, but we've been rolled almost three months before that. (The last edits in the histories all seem to be mid-June 2008, but didn't we move here in mid-September 2008?) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 21:02, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-: Yeah, but IIRC we moved in with an older backup and ended up losing a little bit of stuff?  -hx [[Special:Contributions/24.30.97.198|24.30.97.198]] 21:14, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-::Only a few weeks at most, though, IIRC, not three months' worth. (Not that it really matters if we did lose everything, it just makes me even more worried that this backup/upgrade wasn't done right.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 21:24, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-:::I just don't uderstand why there wasn't a working failsafe in case something like this happened. I mean come on have you ever heard of an SD card or floppy disk? --E-Bot
-Somebody set up us the bomb. --Interrobang 21:26, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-Straight up! I agree, it dosesn't make any sense Dawg. Yo but you know i'm still concerned if something like this could happen again, and if the damage could much more worse than it is now. --The Man 21:19, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-::::There had been discussion for several months about creating a proper back-up system.
-::::No one really thought it was important.  *eyeroll* -[[Special:Contributions/207.224.69.82|207.224.69.82]] 23:00, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-:::::I had a look at the page for exporting the database a week or so ago but couldn't work out how to make it give me any data.  I kinda wish I'd stuck at it now.  Oh well, I'm just hanging out for some sort of official word on what's happening now... --abates 23:09, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-::::::Who are we gonna get the offical word from? Admin?  I've only been able to track two.  This is what really gets me though, I've put more work into this wiki in the past four months than any other time.  But I'm kinda doubting that this entire thing was Assualthead, even though his fancy with profanity is some kind of wonderment.  I hate worrying because it's like a rocking chair, it gives you something to do but doesn't get you anywhere.--AWT88--[[Special:Contributions/98.19.92.58|98.19.92.58]] 23:25, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-::::::Walky just [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/481400.html blogged] on the matter.
-::::::It looks like our host decided to spontaneously upgrade our software without warning or asking us first, forgot to make a database backup while doing so, things got corrupted and now he's slapped in the database we had during transition just to get things working while he digs through the backup archives to find the most up-to-date regular update.
-::::::(I am not relaxing until this update is in-hand.  That's the kind of flim-flam answer I usually associate with "oops it's all gone" unless I'm informed somethign is going to happen AHEAD of time.) -Derik
-:::::::OK, I have [http://www.aldenbates.com/allpages.txt here] a list of all content pages on the Wiki from roughly 4 days ago.  I am thinking of writing something to request and save the Google cache of every damn one of them tonight. Actually converting them to Wiki format and restoring them is another matter. --abates 00:34, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-::::::::Google Cache is passable - I tried a few links that I was able to access and they were about at least a week to three weeks off. --lonegamer78 [[Special:Contributions/76.95.138.16|76.95.138.16]] 00:44, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-:::::::::If you can automate such a thing, I'd say go for it, Abates, just in case. The TV Tropes folks saved their own wiki from a crash with Google's cache, so while it'll be a crapton of work, it'll still be way better than starting over after losing 9 months of work. And if it turns out we didn't need it because Idiot Server guy gets things running again, well... just a little time wasted, then. --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.218.38|72.79.218.38]] 01:21, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-::::::::::Hrm, as I more or less expected, Google throttled me.  I'm not sure of a better way to get the cache pages though. :/ --abates 02:26, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-The not-entirely-ultrahorrific news is that the Google cache of every page I've tested for is from March 9th.  So at least there IS a record of really everything we've done here; we've only "lost" TransWarped and one or two comic issues.
-But for fuck's sake we have to get this nailed down SOON.
-First question:  is it possible for Google to make a cache of the current lobotomized pages?  How long will they rely on their March 9th cache of, say, Kup, before they make a new image of it based on the piece of shit Bookworm reverted us to?  Can we ask them to STOP updating?
-And does this current incarnation of TFWiki still have the quarter-million implanted redirects to Wikia in it?  'Cos if it does, fuck, we're better off pulling the plug on the site altogether and only putting it back when it's presentable.  '''Thylacine 2000''' --[[Special:Contributions/74.73.131.210|74.73.131.210]] 11:03, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-:Agreed.  There is absolutely no reason for the site to be up right now.  We're begging Google to overwrite their old cache. '''Chip''' [[Special:Contributions/161.203.16.1|161.203.16.1]] 11:39, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-===Another thing comin'===
-Okay, people, look here.  I don't know jack from shit about databases and backups and servers and whatnot, but what I do know is this:
-''This is a fucking catastrophe.''
-In the very best possible scenario, we've had a site that's been down all freakin' day.  That's if we're very, very lucky, apparently.  This is also a site that goes down every single night at 1:10am central time, and stays down from several minutes up to an hour.  Every.  Single.  Night.  Like clockwork.  This is a known issue and in 6 months, nothing has been done about it.
-That's if we're lucky.  If we're ''not'' lucky, and I'm seeing no reason to think we are, then we've lost ''eight months of work'', all thanks to some bizarre software update that... does what?  Was it even necessary?  Was something broken here?  Was that whole thing where the site appeared to be working, was that just me hallucinating?
-Furthermore, if this required taking down the whole site, ''why on god's green earth was a full backup not made immediately beforehand???''
-Daily outages for 6 months, lost backups, no backups before software updates, and a site that's now rudderless.  We were supposed to make a clean, sharp, snazzy break from Wikia, show that we'd be better off on our own and didn't need them.  At the moment, we instead look like ''idiots'' who can't hack it.
-We HAVE advertising money, yes? It is time to find a ''professional'' site host, and PAY THEM for their services so we can in turn get reliable hosting.  The free charity hosting thing was very nice, but it seems we've gotten what we paid for. -- repowers, not freakin' signed in.
-: Yeah, seriously, what was the server guy ''thinking''? The way this should have been done:
-#Ask us first.
-#Give at least a week's scheduled warning once we gave permission. (I mean... premiere of the first big TF info in a while kind of is a ''really'' bad time to be doing this sort of thing...)
-#Put the wiki in locked-down Maintenance Mode.
-#Backup the wiki.
-#Upgrade.
-#Test it out.
-#Unlock the wiki.
-:...I'm with you, there's gotta be some webhost we can pay that's better than this silliness. (I'd recommend Dreamhost, but admittedly, while they're more reliable than these folks, I still wouldn't offer it up for more than simple hobby sites.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.222.241|72.79.222.241]] 23:51, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
-:Yeah, this was the ''one reservation'' I had against ditching Wikia - that entrusting our work to some random host would be riskier than a company that does nothing ''but'' wikis.  Every time I mentioned it, I was either patted on the head or ignored.  Maybe NOW the danger will be taken more seriously. - Jackpot [[Special:Contributions/216.231.37.133|216.231.37.133]] 00:53, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-::In all fairness, this wasn't "some random host." This would be "the guy Walky pays to host Blank Label, where his livelihood resides." --Rosicrucian --[[Special:Contributions/67.232.209.132|67.232.209.132]] 01:15, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-::Not just Walky, but all the other people on BLC. Near as I can tell, this kind of thing has ''never happened'' with the BLC servers before. '''M Sipher'''--[[Special:Contributions/75.177.130.173|75.177.130.173]] 05:38, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-:::And the problem is that Wikia was unreliable too, in entirely different ways. If we'd stayed with them the wiki might be up... but they'd also be randomly breaking things by upgrading without our permission, and screwing around with our content. Personally, I wish we simply had a webhost where we were allowed to do our own backups/upgrades... --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.218.38|72.79.218.38]] 01:21, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-::::Well, we had no real reason to suspect this would happen. Walkypedia has been on this same server, with the same hosting and same maintenance guy for years (albeit it's not a wiki of anywhere near this scale). Bookworm had, previously, seemed to have his act together. We just have to hope that he gets it back up, and that he's properly chastised by this.--Rosicrucian, [[Special:Contributions/67.232.209.132|67.232.209.132]] 01:24, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-:::::It's just that... personally, I'm dismayed we were trusting an "outside" IT person to maintain our site anyway. I had thought Suki and Derik were handling things. I mean, If I'm going to host something on my own webspace from a webhost, I'm of the "Take my money, give me webspace, keep the space online, and let me handle the rest" mentality. Or at the very least, not do anything to my site unless I authorize it and I'm there watching... --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.218.38|72.79.218.38]] 01:30, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-I beleve that we must do everything in our power to restore the wiki post-hast. Otherwise we will fall behind so far it may set us back weeks even months just to get caught up again. And if I might add that if anyone copied any of the articales we can use that information help fix the problem. I know it sounds complcated but we have to try. To me this not just a wiki it stands for everything Transfomers are. --D.J.Sky 03:35 15 March (2009)
-:Ruined FOREVER, you mean? - Magnus Maximus 04:39, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-Aw, jesus, I was ''really'' hoping that when I woke up, this would all have been a dream or something. - - McFeely [[Special:Contributions/78.32.44.57|78.32.44.57]] 06:27, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-:That's exactly what I was hoping McFreely, but sadly it wasn't.  I was hoping the site would be back up by now and we'd have four days of work to recreate, but no, it's still down.  I mean ''come on'', the half-ass guys over at the wikia have almost everything we've put up in the past four days (not to our quality but still).  I don't know guys... I hope it'll be back up by the time I get home from work tonight and might pull an all nighter trying to do what I can.--AWT88--[[Special:Contributions/98.19.92.58|98.19.92.58]] 10:53, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-::It's really a bad nightmare. Oww... I have same feeling with Chris. --(TX55) [[Special:Contributions/61.229.26.192|61.229.26.192]] 11:42, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-===Damage control===
-Figured there should be a link here to the discussion Rob started on how to go about fixing all of this: [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central]] - '''Jackpot''' [[Special:Contributions/216.231.37.133|216.231.37.133]] 13:52, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
-==ROTF countdown==
-I can't remember, but was our ROTF countdown thing automated or did somebody have to manually change the number of days left? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:04, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
-:<nowiki>*blink*</nowiki> Yeah, it used to be a countdown in wikicode. *yoinks the countdown back onto the page from the history and feels sheepish for not noticing it got overwritten* --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:15, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
-::Thank you kindly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:17, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
-:::It's showing 101 days again, which is where it was stuck after the crash. --[[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 00:00, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-::::OOps, shall fix. Thanks for the heads up! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:19, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-== Derik's revamp. ==
-Looked and worked awesome when you showed me the sample, even better now that it's in proper layout. Kudos, man.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:00, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-:Not sure what else was done, but the image banner at the top looks all huge and pixelated now in Firefox on my iMac.  This may or may not stem from the revamp.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 03:16, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-::It looks mostly spiffilicious, but there's something off on the Continuities/Categories paddings, as the longer titles (External Properties, Full Series Info, and About Continuities) wrap into double lines for me, where they didn't before. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:14, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-:::Doesn't happen for me at 1024, haven't tried it at other resolutions. I did notice that the "Full Series Info" anchor link on the Continuities box is now broken.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 18:56, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-::::I've had a chance to look at it on the PC at home, and the banner image looks fine there.  The Continuities & Categories titles look fine to me, no line wrapping.  Go figure.  The anchor link for Full Series Info is indeed messed up, though.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:22, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-:::::Mrr, maybe it's my font size. I don't know why it's suddenly weird, though, it was fine before.
-:::::As for the "Full Series Info", that, and "anyone can edit" and "add to!" in the disambig were all in-page anchor links to various feature boxes' IDs. If Derik changed or forgot to add the IDs on the feature boxes, either that needs to be fixed, or the links need to be fixed. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:20, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-They have ID's-- but not names.  (I think 1 or two of the ID's might've changed, I didn't think they were used.)  Are you referring to anchors, or...? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:48, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-:Yup, anchors. The link in question goes to Main_Page#series for example.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 22:52, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-::The anchors work-- they're set using the id= in the main page text.  I apparently changed the "#editing" anchor to "#editing-tips" to make it consistent with the rest of the ID's used on the page.  I didn't realize anything actually ''used'' it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:12, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-:::And yet, I click on that link, and it's no-go.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 23:17, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-::::Ah. ''Now'' it works. Go figure.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 13:52, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
-I like the ''idea'' of the autosizing banner, but as mentioned previously, it looks really pixel-y and...well, bad. (Never mind that the Decepticon banner has some sort of smudge in the middle of the "K".) I'm looking at it in IE7 at a resolution of 1280x1024, meaning the banner image itself shows up at 1007 pixels wide. But it looks really junky until I shrink the window down so that the image is below 800 pixels. --[[User:Salt-Man Z|Salt-Man Z]] 16:43, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
-== Server Slowdown? ==
-Still getting some major lag at various times, and not just at the "standard" time of midnight Central Time or so.  For at least a couple of hours this afternoon, the wiki was taking too long to respond, delivering server time-out errors, or else generating a blank page.  Frankly, until I was able to see it properly again just now, I was worried we had a repeat performance on our hands.  I believe Suki/Scout said she was making regular back-ups, which is good.  Is this periodic bog-down going to be SOP until/unless we move again, or is Bookworm gonna do something about it?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:27, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-:I noticed that there were zero edits from 13:45–18:56 this afternoon. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:42, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-::Yep, the site was pretty much unreachable for about 5 hours there, along with Blank Label Comics' site.  I was beginning to wonder if the server had died completely.
-::The favicon seems to have stopped working for me too, though I can't work out why. The image is still there... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:27, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-:::Five ''hours''?  Yeesh.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:49, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
-::::And no one who knows why has shown up here to explain or communicated the reason to anyone who posts here yet.  Lovely.  Favicon's still working for me, at least.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:54, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
-:::::I called Bookworm in the middle of it to get him to kick the server in the nuts, but I only got his voicemail.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:14, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
-::::::Peachy.  My confidence is soaring now.  Well, at least we know someone here has tried to get his attention.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:40, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
-==Been Out for a While==
-I figured this would be the best place to do this.  First and formost, I'd like to apologize to everyone on the Wiki for not helping in probably our biggest time of need.  I have been unable to have internet access for the past few weeks, because the damn hospital wouldn't let me have a computer (and maybe only being able to use one arm on a laptop is pretty damn hard), which means I have been unable to update or edit anything.  Hell, today was the first time I was on my Facebook or Myspace for weeks, have finally caught up on Lil'formers and ShortPacked as well.
-Anyways, let me explain about these ramblings.  Two or three days after the crash--on my way to work--I had some fucking dumbass in a riced Toyota run a red light and T-bone the side of my truck in my door and messed me up pretty good (he fucked himself up as bad as his car) and put me in the hospital.  I was pretty damn lucky though, dislocated my shoulder and elbow, factured my forearm and wrist, broke three of my fingers; all on my left arm (and I'm a lefty), cracked four ribs and bruised them too, fractured my tibia and broke my ankle.  My right side was farely untouched but still got bruised, oh, and my seatbelt cut into my neck (I've had worse cuts and scars before).  This is all probably a bit too much but I figured I needed to explain why I haven't been on here until after everything was fixed.
-I do have a few questions now though.  1) I can't log in under my name so do I have to set up a new one?  2) Was everything completely blanked when it came to users (i.e. Page Watch, Contribs., etc.) or can we retrieve that?  I guess that's all the questions I can think of right now.  Any responses, obviously write on the talk page, or hit me on my IP address Talk Page.--'''AWT88'''--[[Special:Contributions/98.19.92.58|98.19.92.58]] 23:10, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
-:Wow, that sucks.  I'm glad to hear you're recovering though!
-:And no, the user accounts were completely scragged.  You'll have to re-register. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:10, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
-==ROTF==
-Shouldn't the newest thing be the Veiled Threat instead of Defiance #4? --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 09:26, 10 May 2009 (EDT)
-== Could not connect ==
-Was anyone else unable to connect to tfwiki for the last four hours? Are we still having server problems, then?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:09, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
+==Go-Bots==
-I was ''finally'' able to get back on the site after about 6 hours, and noticed there had been ''only one edit in the past 6 hours''. What gives?  Has the site been down the entire time, or has everyone been busy at BOTCON?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 23:38, 29 May 2009 (EDT)
+Considering this wiki long ago decided to leave any non-TF-related Go Bots material to other wikis is there a reason the Go Bots comic is listed in the current release section? [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 23:44, 7 January 2019 (EST)
-:It's definitely been down all that time for me, at least. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:48, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
+: Click the link to find out. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 00:04, 8 January 2019 (EST)
-::That was downright painful. :( --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:18, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
+::I think he's asking why the comic series is included on here at all when it's not a Transformers comic nor tied to any Transformers media. Like, why not have GBWiki do that instead? Its [[gbwiki:Main Page|main page]] has a News section; for lack of a "Current Releases" section of its own (understandibly so, of course), the comic series name and issue number could go there instead. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:19, 8 January 2019 (EST)
-:::Indeed, its getting to where I see why Wikia is still running, since its actually up half the time[[Special:Contributions/76.240.201.195|76.240.201.195]] 11:56, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
+:::So we'd be advertising our side-wiki even less than we already do, then. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 00:57, 8 January 2019 (EST)
+:::Why not do both? It'll only be an issue for a little while. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:58, 8 January 2019 (EST)
-== Dinoforce ==
+==Adding icons for the IDW Hasbro and GoBots wikis==
-For some reason, all of the Dinoforce articles show up twice in the Turncoats category. This doesn't happen with any other article in there, so I think maybe it's a facet of that little accented u in their names. They appear to not just be copies of the same article, though, since the talk page for one was the talk page for the other. I'm not sure if this is an in-joke or not, though, so could someone familiar with the articles please address this?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:52, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
+There was some discussion on the Allspark thread a couple of weeks ago about adding icons for the two sister wiki to the Main Page alongside our Twitter and Tumblr links (and also remove the Blogspot link) with a couple of mockups made to show what it would look like. You can find the two examples in the couple of posts starting here. Any feedback welcome! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:47, 15 June 2019 (EDT)
+:I think the version that explicitly names the other sites is preferable, but I'm not convinced by the alignment of the text over the icons in your example. You'd have to play around with it some. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 21:43, 15 June 2019 (EDT)
+::Yeah, I kinda threw that together just roughly to put across the idea. I'll be doing a sandbox to get all that right before going live. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:25, 16 June 2019 (EDT)
+:::[[User:Abates/sandbox|Sandbox here]] --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:14, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
+::::I wish we had a third social media account to fill that gap in the middle and make the text look less off-center, but I like it in concept. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 10:25, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
+::::I kind of feel like captions indicating what the other wikis ''are'' would be preferable, but I'm not sure how to make that not look like ass... (Also, is the TFWiki.info bit actually needed?) --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 13:49, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
+::::: Yeah, I feel like the ".info" bit can be safely axed. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 14:09, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
+::::::I dunno, if we're paying for another domain name for branding purposes we should keep noting it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:50, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
+:::::::Why ''are'' we paying for another domain name? Just to stop anyone else taking it? Because I don't think anyone actually defaults to .info... --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 17:18, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
+::::::::Yeah, I think that's why. A situation where Wikia/Fandom grabs tfwiki.info or whatever and points it at their Transformers Wikia would be a recipe for confusion. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:31, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
+:::::::::Mm. But if that's the ''only'' reason we have it, why have a link on the main page that's just a redirect to itself? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:28, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
+::::::::::I guess it's a case of it being added back when we left Wikia (We had [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=197671 an announcement] that linked to both URLs) and the link was kept as the Main Page changed. We could perhaps instead note it on the [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]] page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:48, 18 June 2019 (EDT)
+:::::::::::Yeah, I don't think there's any reason we need the link on the front page. Plus I like the balance of the text in the current sandbox. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:28, 19 June 2019 (EDT)
-== Remaining the Fallen? ==
+:Any more input on this or can I throw it up on the main page? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:56, 26 June 2019 (EDT)
+::I feel like the icon that Ravage should be resting his paw on ought to be the Twitter icon. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:56, 26 June 2019 (EDT)
+:::Twitter gets pretty snippy about having things interact with their logo/icon, while Tumblr sees to be more chill about it, hence why they're positioned the way they are. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:59, 26 June 2019 (EDT)
+::Did you experiment at all with text captions for the icons? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 17:09, 27 June 2019 (EDT)
+:::I've added a version with text captions to the sandbox, though I'm not sure it looks as good as without. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:24, 27 June 2019 (EDT)
+::::Yeah, the text just looks out of place and unbalanced. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:11, 27 June 2019 (EDT)
+:::::It might look more balanced if the Twitter and Tumblr icons had text beneath them too, but one could also argue that all four having text would look too cluttered. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 20:16, 27 June 2019 (EDT)
-Do we have a lineup of potential Featured Articles for August?  I vote for [[Sector Seven]], unless we think it would be a good idea to keep it as-is until the movie leaves theaters.....  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 12:16, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
+==Add a Breaking News Section==
-:Siph suggested [[Micromaster Collection]] a week or two back. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:57, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
-:Do we have any featured-level G.I.Joe related articles? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:31, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
+I say that they need to add a Breaking News Section for Breaking News in the Transformers Section.
-::Not especially... even the complete ones look kind of... limp. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:44, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
+→[[User:806mtson|806mtson]] ([[User talk:806mtson|talk]]) 21:56, 19 November 2020 (EST)
-:::I think a G.I.Joe article is a good idea...to bad in don't know nearly enough about the show to lap at least one of the articles a feature...--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 16:54, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
+:We're not really a "news" kind of site. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:58, 19 November 2020 (EST)
-::::So, are we going to switch to Micromaster Collection after all? If that doesn't work for some reason, I could also suggest "Shattered Glass" [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]] or [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]] for further potential quirkiness. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 01:59, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
-:::::I suggest [[Marissa Faireborn]] to go with our G.I. Joe theme.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:21, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
-::::::I second Marissa (and note that it's usually Walky who changes the featured article, and he's on the road which is probably why it hasn't changed. Also, I want to slap an "anatomy doesn't work that way" tag on the current tower ad). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:27, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
-:::::::Yeah, I'll third the Marissa idea (and not just because I did that article up recently!). We're already a week into August, so I'll just change it now before I head out to work. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 06:05, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
-==September FA?==
+==Adding a link to the "TFWiki Community" Wordpress site.==
-So.... [[Micromaster Collection]]? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:34, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
-:I'm down with that. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:45, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
-:Anyone wanna put that up?  I will tomorrow morning if not! :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 09:09, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
-== DVD field guide ==
+Wouldn't make since as it is technically a part of the site, and there isn't a link to it anywhere else on the wiki?[[User:DDog|DDog]] ([[User talk:DDog|talk]]) 00:03, 20 November 2020 (EST)
+:Also on the nitpicky side, shouldn't the illustration of SG Ravage be waving as he says he is when you hover over it? It kind of bugs me.[[User:DDog|DDog]] ([[User talk:DDog|talk]]) 00:03, 20 November 2020 (EST)
-Actually, with the column width wouldn't this fit easily in the featured series box?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 18:57, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
+==Community portal?==
-:Maybe, although I think it needs to stay in a nicely prominent spot somewhere and not get "lost". There's already so much info jammed in the Featured Series box already. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:22, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
-== Reception in all fiction ==
+I know this isn't exactly the right place to ask this, but what happened to the community portal? I clicked the link in the sidebar and it came up as "create this page".--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:58, 25 November 2020 (EST)
+:Okay, looking around a bit at places where I know it is linked from I have discovered that the sidebar links to [[Transformers Wiki:Community portal]] and the actual page is [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal]]. Notice the capitalization difference. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:01, 25 November 2020 (EST)
+::Yeah, the sidebar appears to have reset to a default, dropping the custom links to current franchises and changing to an incorrect capitalisation for the community portal. Once the sidebar's fixed we should be good. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 09:06, 25 November 2020 (EST)
+:::Huh, looks like it fixed itself? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:28, 25 November 2020 (EST)
-Just an idea, why not add a reception section to all main fiction pages (comics and series) ala the Animated/UT pages [[User:Eire]] 20,07 Nov 2 09 (UTC)
+==Fall of Cybertron toyline==
-:I tend to cringe at these, as they're tough to write, inevitably biased, and magnets for vandalism.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:12, 2 November 2009 (EST)
-::I kinda agree. Though I DID really enjoy the UT ones (those articles in general were good reads for me, since I missed most of those shows). I think only in cases where the response was very particularly notable should we dip into such opinionated waters. Otherwise, yeah, they're kinda huge moron/troll/vandal bait. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:31, 2 November 2009 (EST)
-:::That would be my concern as well.  If a series had a particularly notable and uniform reception, then it might be worth a write-up.  Otherwise, what is there to say?  I worry about echo-chamber effects as well. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:40, 2 November 2009 (EST)
-::::To be honest, don't we already have some sort of reception section in most of the articles? Beast Wars has the infamous [[Trukk not munky]] reactions and so forth, and Beast Machines has the fandom's dim views on it. Is there any section which already doesn't have some sort of fandom reaction on it? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:02, 2 November 2009 (EST)
-==Slight reorganization?==
+I find it odd that Fall of Cybertron is the only franchise in the Series Information featurebox to not have a link to its own toyline. Even the original War for Cybertron has a redirect pointing to its five toys released on the Generations line. So wouldn't it make sense to also include a redirect for the FOC section of the Generations line under the FOC franchise here? [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 21:21, 25 November 2020 (EST)
-Should we move "Editing Tips" to the left column? The "This Day in History" and "Schedule" boxes are gonna pretty much be longer and longer as time goes on. This is just going to push "Editing" even further down, leaving lots of whitespace. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:45, 8 November 2009 (EST)
-:I'd been thinking of that myself. Although I was thinking more of breaking up the list into two sections and just having it sit the full width of the page.
-:We could instead or also trim the Featured Series box back down, and/or combine the Categories and Continuities boxes, which I'd also been considering. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (EST)
-::How about making the "This Day" and "Schedule" boxes like the "Series" - show a few highlights, click for full listing. On the other hand, "Editing Tips" seems like something that should go in or near the "Toolbox". [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:06, 8 November 2009 (EST) (forgot to log in at first)
-:::I don't like the idea of condensing either list. Who dictates what's more important? Hell, half the point is to provide more and more jumping-off points to things people might not have thought about normally from the main page. I think simply moving "editing" will suffice. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:12, 8 November 2009 (EST)
-::::I can see the point about who decides what's important, but surely it is not necessary to have something in the "Schedule" two and a half years beforehand (premiere of TF3). Showing ~ one month's worth on the main page would probably be enough. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:23, 8 November 2009 (EST)
-:::::It's not like anything that far in advance is going to be announced often. Hell, TF3 is about it, and oh joy, you're saving one line. And no, I don't think one month is enough, because honestly, the Schedule tends to get forgotten, and events end up still on there weeks after they were done. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:04, 8 November 2009 (EST)
-== Little slow ==
+==Self Transforming Optimus Prime toys==
-So, what exactly are the differences between tfwiki and transformerswikia? And why the split and stuff?[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 04:07, 17 December 2009 (EST)
+Any articles on the self-transforming Optimus Prime G1 toy which cost $700?
-:See the [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints|complaints]] page as to why we moved.  TFWiki is run on an independent server and has almost all of the people who used to edit on th wikia. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:34, 17 December 2009 (EST)
-== Just wondering ==
+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0SEYM9jHVg {{unsigned|Mzawutang}}
+:It wouldn't get its own article, though it's not absolutely clear where in our [[Optimus Prime (G1)/suite]] it would go. It blurs the line between toy and merchandise, and if it's a toy at all it would probably go on the "old" toy page simply because it isn't Generations. Not helping matters is that the Robosen and Hasbro Pulse websites each show different packaging with different product line names. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:47, 19 October 2021 (EDT)
-Why is it important to list the advertisements in comic books? I really can't see why?--[[User:LesterX|LesterX]] 20:27, 22 December 2009 (EST)
+==Family Guy Cutaway Gag==
-:Why not? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:46, 22 December 2009 (EST)
-::Sometimes they have little blurbs, "This guy is cool because..." They are official info, no? Which characters get the marketing monies and whatsuch. Plus they are usually so condensed, they can represent the character in a waaaay left field manner, kinda like eating condensed soup w/o the cans of water. You get the familiar taste, but in a "-choke-, come again?" manner.[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 20:57, 14 February 2010 (EST)
-==Sidebar==
+I remember seeing this cutaway skit on Youtube from Family Guy themed around Transformers. Something about a Decepticon named Negatron who turns into a canoe. Is it worth making a page about at all? [[User:GoodMudkip|GoodMudkip]] ([[User talk:GoodMudkip|talk]]) 15:48, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
-Sidebar is FUBAR in Internet Explorer. See [http://obscuretf.com/TFWikiIESideBar.jpg here], ignoring the swath of stuff cut out from the middle because I didn't feel like printscreening it. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 15:33, 13 January 2010 (EST)
+:Lots of other media references Transformers. We don't include any of it, because it's not official. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 15:53, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
-:Looking at it... it seems to be some kind of problem with the float on the sidebar. Whether it's due to IE not properly squishing and/or scrollbar-ing the main content section to ensure it fits (the way FF and Opera do), or something wrong with the float declaration itself, I'm not sure, though. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:47, 13 January 2010 (EST)
+::^ Correct. We don't cover other shows making reference to Transformers unless it's an official collaboration with Hasbro. The only exception is we'll sometimes make brief mention on a voice actor's page if they reprise their character for a parody, such as David Kaye voicing Megatron in Robot Chicken. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:55, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
-::In my case, the sidebar's font seemed to have shrunk on the main page but it looks normal when I'm elsewhere. [http://img63.imageshack.us/i/tfwikimainpage.jpg/ Main page] and [http://img685.imageshack.us/i/tfwikisamplebluestreak.jpg/ random page] (okay, Bluestreak's) for comparison. And I'm using Firefox 3.5.7. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 16:16, 13 January 2010 (EST)
+:::Funny you should mention the thing about David Kaye, since the skit I'm talking about had Frank Welker reprise his role as Megatron. I don't know if that makes it eligible to make a page about, but I thought it was worth bringing up. [[User:GoodMudkip|GoodMudkip]] ([[User talk:GoodMudkip|talk]]) 16:06, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
-:::I get the same result as Lonegamer with Firefox 3.5.5 and IE 8.0.6001.18865. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 16:22, 13 January 2010 (EST)
+::::Still not worth a page. And we already have a note on Welker's page about him reprising Megatron and Soundwave in parodies on other shows. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:09, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
-:::Using IE and yeah, sidebar's hiding way the hell down there somewhere. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:30, 13 January 2010 (EST)
+:::::Gotcha, thanks for clarifying. [[User:GoodMudkip|GoodMudkip]] ([[User talk:GoodMudkip|talk]]) 16:11, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
-::::Unfortunately, I suspect this likely is something that can only be fixed by someone with access to the site's CSS/HTML, rather than by wikicode. What's the standard method for summoning Suki or Derik? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:41, 13 January 2010 (EST)
-:::::That should be fixed now... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:35, 13 January 2010 (EST)
-:::::I can be summoned by a virgin sacrifice or AIM... like it says on my userpage.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:43, 13 January 2010 (EST)
-::::::Ah, that explains it. I don't have AIM or any virgins I'm willing to sacrifice... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:50, 13 January 2010 (EST)
-::::::Yay, it's normal! --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:58, 13 January 2010 (EST)
-== New WFC TFWiki logo image? ==
+==Potential removal of Twitter from the "We're also on these websites:" area==
-IMHO, we totally need to add [http://www.gamestop.com/gs/images/bonus/Transformers_Cybertron_bonusLG.jpg a logo of this pic] to our rotation. (I'd do it myself, except I don't have our logo bit to add to it...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:37, 9 February 2010 (EST)
-:And I am now content. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:22, 10 February 2010 (EST)
-== Kudos ==
+Yeah...about that. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 23:13, 17 November 2022 (EST)
+:Let's hold off until something ''actually'' happens. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:18, 17 November 2022 (EST)
+:Are you not making a premature call here? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:19, 17 November 2022 (EST)
+::Yes, I know it's premature, but still. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 23:21, 17 November 2022 (EST)
+:::We should definitely wait until Twittergeddon actually takes place before removing the link. (So in about 2 or 3 days) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:41, 17 November 2022 (EST)
+Honestly I'm really scared about this.--[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 04:25, 18 November 2022 (EST)
-I'd like to take a nanoclick to say that out of all the various wikis save Wikipedia Prime, and often including Wikipedia Prime, funny or no funny, THIS WIKI HAS IT'S $#!+ TOGETHER. Other Wiki's have about as many users in all as we have SERIOUS/DEDICATED users. ... Does TFWIKI have a fanfare/praise page?[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 21:08, 14 February 2010 (EST)
+No. It will be fine in the end and this whole bit of conversation will look silly in a few months time. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:42, 18 November 2022 (EST)
-== Extremely weird... ==
+UPDATE: So, about that. (Yes, I know it's still premature again) [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 05:41, 18 February 2023 (EST)
+:It's still fine. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:47, 18 February 2023 (EST)
-When I try to set the size of Image:DiacloneSkids.jpg to 300px, it comes out as Image:G1SkyLynx toy.jpg[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:05, 28 February 2010 (EST)
+==Fan interactions==
-[[Image:DiacloneSkids.jpg|thumb|right|300px|See?]]
-: Can't say I'm seeing that.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:21, 28 February 2010 (EST)
-::Okay, just my computer then. Still weird. It ONLY does it at 300px, not 299, not 301, JUST 300. Guess it's telling me to log off. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:25, 28 February 2010 (EST)
-:::Okay, now it's back to normal. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:05, 1 March 2010 (EST)
-{{-}}
-::::Sounds like an image cacheing issue.  Those usually fix themselves in a few hours.
-::::(OTOH, I've seen a few instances when a certain resolution's thumbnail is permanently screwed up.)  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:40, 9 May 2010 (EDT)
-== Possible Tweaks... ==
+So [https://twitter.com/NicoleDubuc/status/1612440658035503110 this] happened, and it kinda jogged something in my head about what extent fan interactions like this can influence the wiki. How should I treat this next time I run into one of them?--[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 20:38, 9 January 2023 (EST)
+:Nothing. This is commentary from a random writer on random fanart; it is not official material or something that clarifies it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:29, 9 January 2023 (EST)
-So, I decided I wanted to try and make our Main Page a little less "unbroken sea of text" if I could. I basically consolidated Continuities/Categories into one, as well as merging Editing Tips/Holy Grails into one along with a resurrected "Improvement Drive" idea. I also added in some headers and logos to break things up, and trimmed down the Series list to show just the major fiction. Check it out here: [[User:Jeysie/Main Page]] and give thoughts? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:11, 9 May 2010 (EDT)
+==Icon change (or not.)==
-:I like the consolidated "Improvement Drive" box and really like the separation of months in the Schedule. On the other hand, I like using logos in theory, but I'm not so sure about how it works in execution. Particularly I'm wary about the logos of the Japan-exclusive series. Having something on our front page that most of our readers can't read seems, well, unideal. Putting the titles under the logos in plain text would fix that, but that'd seem kind of gratuitous under the English logos. I also ''really'' don't like the use of the logo of the first series in a continuity to represent the entire thing in the Continuities box. It makes it look like the one series is the entire continuity, which also makes it look like an unnecessary overlap with the Series box. I think it'd be better to just leave the continuities as text, since it's clearer that way. -- [[User:HotAndCold|HotAndCold]] 22:56, 9 May 2010 (EDT)
+I assume that everyone's thoughts are "(in Dan from Dan VS' voice) '''I don't care how he rebranded Twitter, we're <span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:100px;line-height:100px;font-weight:900;">NOT</span> changing the icon and its name.'''" [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]])
-::Yeah, using the Armada logo for the whole Unicron Trilogy is the most glaring part to me. If only there was an official UT logo! It's a shame, cause I think it looks a lot better with the logos there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:29, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
+:I see no reason to indulge that stale bong rip with bad hair plugs and an apartheid-earned trust fund. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:37, 28 July 2023 (EDT)
-:::If anyone has any ideas on what logos to use in the continuities box, I'm all up for it. Maybe if someone wants to mock up custom graphics?
-:::If we want things to be more generic, I could use [[:Image:TheTransformers Logo.jpg|this logo for Generation 1]], and we could create a logo with the "Beast Wars" edited out. UT is still tricky, though... even if we edit out the series name, it looks close to RID then. Meh.
-:::We could always switch back to text, of course... just saying, if anyone has alternative ideas.
-:::As for the Japanese series, that occurred to me as well, but I'd really like to switch to the logos in that section, and anyone who hovers over the logos does get the English series name in the link.
-:::But if there happens to be any English logos for those series available, we could upload them and go with those. Alternatively, my first inclination was to remove those series altogether and just stick with the major major TF fiction, but I didn't want cries of being biased or anything. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:19, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
-::::I'm not sure what the continuities listing brings to the table that the series listing isn't already doing. I'd just give a link to the continuity family page and keep the full series list link. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:01, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
-:::::Well, the continuity families have been part of our main page since pretty much forever, so if you want to remove them, that's a wider discussion than with just me, I'm afraid.
-:::::(Though if I had to cast a vote, personally I prefer to keep them, as continuity families are important to our wiki's structure and yet not necessarily an intuitive concept to the new reader. Especially since the dedicated continuity family pages we link to are ''not'' directly analogous to the individual series.)
-:::::But in any case, I tweaked them to be plain text links. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:56, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
-::::::It still seems to me that Continuity Family and Franchise are terms that should be covered in the series box. And throwing the names of the continuity families at the reader before the term is defined for them seems counter intuitive. But, as you said, some of my concerns go beyond what you are doing here. I generally like what you've done. If it goes through perhaps a discussion of my points could follow. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:27, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
-:I like it conceptually, but I'd say the subheader bars inside each box will need to be a bit smaller.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 00:49, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
+==This day in history==
-::Smaller in what sense? The font is the same size as the regular text, just bolded. I could shrink the font, though it'll be a little weird having the header smaller than the actual text... or did you mean less padding and/or deeper margins? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:19, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
-:::In the sense that each bar is graphically more or less as prominent as the box they're a part of. They're the same height, the background is just as dark, etc. It ends up being visually pretty busy.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 11:08, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
-::::Ah, OK. I tried doing some tweaks to make them a bit smaller and lighter; is that more what you had in mind? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:56, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
-:::::Definitely a step in the right direction. Looks good.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 03:09, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
-== We need to fix the links for the WFC front page title images.  ==
+The "This Day in History" box takes up a lot of space on the front page as the date pages have grown in length over the years. What's the feeling about having it reduce so that the box just shows a handful of particularly notable items with a "More" link so people can click through to the full list?
-They're currently all directing to G1 characters. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:17, 2 July 2010 (EDT)
-:I had noticed that, but was leery of possibly having the front page linking to red links, so I didn't fix it yet. Do we have all of the pages in question created? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:27, 2 July 2010 (EDT)
+The main drawbacks I see are (a) disagreements over what constitutes a notable item, and (b) some dates might not have anything approaching a notable item. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:16, 27 October 2023 (EDT)
-::We only have one of them as yet! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:48, 2 July 2010 (EDT)
+==GO to top feature==
+I've noticed that the "GO to top!" feature that's been added, while cool, is a bit buggy. especially on mobile where it just doesn't even show up when you're at the bottom of the page and on computer is shows up at the top of the page and then disappears after you scroll a bit before coming back when you've hit the bottom of a page. I was just wondering if this was still being worked on? [[User:Carno|Carno]] ([[User talk:Carno|talk]]) 12:03, 6 November 2023 (EST)
+:You need to clear your browser cache. Press Alt + F5 or Shift + F5. As for mobile, it's probably the same thing and the issue will resolve itself in due time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:08, 6 November 2023 (EST)
-:::Easy - disable them. Better than misinforming people, no? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:55, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
+==An "Energon Universe" wiki==
-::::So, how about it? I've forgotten where the template for that title image box is, or else I'd do it myself. We can reinstate them after we fix up the articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:25, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
+Greetings, everyone! I know it's too soon to ask, but just as a wiki based on [[IDW Publishing|IDW]]'s [[Hasbro Universe]] was made, we now need to make a new wiki based on the "[[Energon Universe]]" by [[Image Comics|Image]]/[[Skybound Entertainment|Skybound]]. I ask you for help because the process of using MediaWiki is very different from using Fandom. Besides, I can't include lists of characters and story arcs on Wikipedia, as much as I can make other articles there. Thank you so much. [[User:Fico Puricelli|Fico Puricelli]] ([[User talk:Fico Puricelli|talk]]) 17:24, 6 December 2023 (EST)
+:There's no point to a separate wiki because we're covering the Energon Universe in its entirety. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:13, 8 November 2023 (EST)
-:::::[[Main Page/logo]] is what feeds that. Go nuts!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:29, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
+== Series ==
-::::::I redirect the un-created ''Prime'' page to ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron]]'' for now. --'''[[User:TX55|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 03:58, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
+Following discussion on the Discord about the Series section taking up too much page real estate, I've put together a couple of solutions on a [[User:TheLastGherkin/SGA|disused sandbox]]. I'm leaning towards take 2 or 3, since take 1 doesn't really fix the problem.  Takes 2 and 3 look the same when collapsed, but behave differently once you hit the toggle to expand.  Any thoughts? —[[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 06:30, 23 March 2025 (EDT)
+:For me, the problem with the series listing has never been that it takes up too much space, it's that the series are laid out in an arbitrary chronological way that means it's always easier just to google/search for the specific series than use it as an index—even as someone who's familiar with the franchise's timeline. If the list was fit for purpose, the size of it wouldn't be an issue, in my opinion. For that reason, I prefer take 1, as the dropdowns make it less efficient to use as an index. The way you've condensed the Generations toylines is great, by the way. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 08:41, 23 March 2025 (EDT)
+:I agree with Wadapan on take 1 being the best. (Also, minor editing note, you forgot to add a “[[Transformers: Cyberworld (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: Cyberworld (cartoon)|Cartoon]]” section under ''Cyberworld''.) - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 09:08, 23 March 2025 (EDT)
+:: Yeah, "space" isn't really a problem here. At least, the downside of how much page space it takes is extremely minor (if this was up top it would definitely be an issue, but that far down? Being basically the last thing on the page? Nah), and the downside of reducing big obvious easy navigability of major franchises by using a bunch of dropdowns that rely on people already knowing where the series they're "after" sits in the sorting rather than being right there is, well, way more sided-downwards. And you know I'm all for watching out for pagebloat. I'm good with take 1. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:32, 23 March 2025 (EDT)
+:: Actually, one thing I'd change? Put RID2K above the UT, like you did with Animated. Despite the BW mold uses, I would not consider that part of the "Beast Era", it was a big break away from it and really should be treated as such. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:39, 23 March 2025 (EDT)
+::: Agreed, and it’s also only the Japanese version that’s connected to the Beast Era anyways. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 17:10, 23 March 2025 (EDT)
+:::How about just a format where it's kind of like a gallery where the series' logo is shown alongside all the subsections needed, then you scroll left or right to move forward on backwards in time? That sounds cool.
+Like:
+"Series information"
+(Goes to wild king)<-(G1 logo)->(goes to G2)
+(All G1 subsections)
+[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 11:20, 23 March 2025 (EDT)
+:I'll be honest, I don't think ever scrolled down far enough to even notice how much space the Series took up, and I don't think it really bothers me that it does. With that said, I think take one would be an improvement because the current one is kinda just... noise? the nice thick dividing lines and clean formatting help with readability. - [[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 19:44, 23 March 2025 (EDT)
+:Side note, Transformers One should probably get the full name of Transformers One instead of just "One". It could even be snuck into the film series tab, with perhaps some clever rewording for the section so the "live action" bit doesn't exclude it. - [[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:20, 23 March 2025 (EDT)
+:In regards to SS, I think it should go under ''Generations'' since a) it’s a ''Generations'' toyline and b) it includes more than live-action movie stuff (86, TFO, and GE). Thoughts? - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 21:53, 23 March 2025 (EDT)