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::I very much doubt we can or should suggest that this ''Revenge of the Fallen'' childrens book was making a reference to the ''Cybertron'' cartoon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:38, 6 July 2009 (EDT) | ::I very much doubt we can or should suggest that this ''Revenge of the Fallen'' childrens book was making a reference to the ''Cybertron'' cartoon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:38, 6 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
:::"Ancient" is a very non-specific term. I think Master of the Game is the only real fiction that treats it as if it were a real group and not just a descriptor.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 11:41, 6 July 2009 (EDT) | :::"Ancient" is a very non-specific term. I think Master of the Game is the only real fiction that treats it as if it were a real group and not just a descriptor.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 11:41, 6 July 2009 (EDT) | ||
::::I'm with Rosh on this. TF's always had alternating Council of elders/Council of ancients going on. (Often referring ot the ''same'' council.) It's a virtually generic term... ''except'' in Master of the Game where they're trying to use it to refer to the original 13. | |||
::::I can't really ''blame'' Japan for wanting a better term-- "13 Original Transformers" is clumsy, and "13 Prototypes" (from WOTF) is inaccurate. And the usual fallback (Greek) yields "Triskaidekasetti," which is just... no. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:07, 6 July 2009 (EDT) | |||
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In the ROTF book, "Sound Like the Transformers" (the one with a voice-modifying microphone), it equates the ancients with the original thirteen. So at the very least we need to disambiguate. Let me quote:
The symbols tell how we began. We were ruled by the Ancients - the first 13 Transformers. The forged the Matrix of Leadership, a key used to power a great machine. It destroys suns and collects their Energon. The Ancients agreed never to use this power on a planet with life. One of the Ancients, the Fallen, defied that rule. He destroyed the other Ancients - all but one, who saved the Matrix. ...Jetfire
So it's the usual ROTF adaptation story, what with the one surviving Prime, but it sure likes to use the word "Ancients." --ItsWalky 10:16, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
- I think maybe we can put this in the Trivia as something like:
- "In the Revenge of the Fallen book "Sound Like the Transformers" (Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Voice Changer?), Jetfire mention the first 13 Transformers as the Ancients. Whether the term "Ancients" here is a description/pronoun or literally meaning the "Ancients" mentioned in Cybertron anime is still unclear due to the lack of any further information.
- --TX55TALK 11:26, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
- I very much doubt we can or should suggest that this Revenge of the Fallen childrens book was making a reference to the Cybertron cartoon. --ItsWalky 11:38, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
- "Ancient" is a very non-specific term. I think Master of the Game is the only real fiction that treats it as if it were a real group and not just a descriptor.--RosicrucianTalk 11:41, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
- I'm with Rosh on this. TF's always had alternating Council of elders/Council of ancients going on. (Often referring ot the same council.) It's a virtually generic term... except in Master of the Game where they're trying to use it to refer to the original 13.
- I can't really blame Japan for wanting a better term-- "13 Original Transformers" is clumsy, and "13 Prototypes" (from WOTF) is inaccurate. And the usual fallback (Greek) yields "Triskaidekasetti," which is just... no. -Derik 12:07, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
- "Ancient" is a very non-specific term. I think Master of the Game is the only real fiction that treats it as if it were a real group and not just a descriptor.--RosicrucianTalk 11:41, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
- I very much doubt we can or should suggest that this Revenge of the Fallen childrens book was making a reference to the Cybertron cartoon. --ItsWalky 11:38, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
