Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)
Disambig
Should this page be disambiguated from the Transformers 2010 (franchise) page? Khajidha 17:28, 9 December 2009 (EST)
- I think so, yes. --abates 20:21, 10 December 2009 (EST)
Character list
Forgive me for being overly cautious, but since it's been stated that Michael Bell has auditioned for the roles of Ratchet and Fowler, can we begin a preliminary character list? - Zadok Rox 09:38, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- I'm okay with that as long as we are foolishly optimistic enough to leave Optimus Prime and Megatron OFF the character list until confirmed. -Derik 10:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- HAHAHAHAHA!!!!--Jimsorenson 11:52, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT WILL BE FOR NAUGHT, THE VERY CONCEPT FILLS MY HEART WITH GLADNESS. -Derik 12:03, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- Maybe, for the same reason, the character list should just be "characters" and not presume to put them in "Autobots", "Decepticons", and "Humans". Who knows? There could be Maximals! - Starfield 12:10, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- Or Unicron's Heralds, for that matter! ---Blackout- 12:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- Malignus, Mutants, Throttlebots, Spacebots, Spacecons... -Derik 16:26, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- Unicron, would I love a set of stories focussing mainly on the Chaos Bringer's faction. Geewunling 16:49, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- Or Unicron's Heralds, for that matter! ---Blackout- 12:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- Maybe, for the same reason, the character list should just be "characters" and not presume to put them in "Autobots", "Decepticons", and "Humans". Who knows? There could be Maximals! - Starfield 12:10, 14 December 2009 (EST)
I'm tempted to say that we shouldn't include Bumblebee on the list just yet because we don't know 100% that the yellow robot on the Hub logo is Bumblebee, but I seriously doubt that anybody would toy around (no pun intended) with the general looks of a popular Transformers character (though that would be an awesome twist). - Zadok Rox 15:29, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
Titling
Shouldn't it be "Prime (cartoon)", considering our stupid rule of removing "Transformers" from article titles? —Interrobang 02:01, 6 February 2010 (EST)
- Nope!--RosicrucianTalk 02:04, 6 February 2010 (EST)
- I thought the reason we went with "Transformers Animated" is because there was no colon, and therefore "Animated" wasn't a subtitle? --KilMichaelMcC 02:08, 6 February 2010 (EST)
- I honestly don't recall there being a colon in just about any TF title. --M Sipher 02:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)
- We make exceptions for phrases. This isn't one. I mean, we even had a big ado over moving the ROTF article to be without the "Transformers". —Interrobang 02:13, 6 February 2010 (EST)
- "Transformers Animated" is much a exception, so it go with the full name. If the title is "Transformers: Prime" when it start airing, I will vote for the "Prime (cartoon)". --TALK04:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)
The naming of this article defies the way all the other articles are named. It seems like it's either laziness and/or stubborness. -- Anythingspossibleforapossible 07:22, 29 November 2010 (EST)
Hub picture
Now that we got the logo for 'Transformers: Prime', should we get rid of the Hub logo? I say we do, but I wouldn't object to holding on to it until we get an image solely of Bumblebee. - Zadok Rox 07:53, 3 May 2010 (EDT)
- There's room, so we might as well keep it for now. --abates 08:00, 3 May 2010 (EDT)
Can we get this article locked if it hasn't been already?
I expect a number of (mostly anonymous) editors may attempt to follow a relatively new TFW2005.com staffer's lead and paste in an unverified, uncited cast list from Wikipedia into this article. Thanks. --FFN 14:12, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
- I personally disagree with locking this article. The show should be debuting within the next six months or so, therefore I imagine Hasbro will give us some tidbits of information (not to mention actors' websites, like Jeffrey Combs). However, if this article does get locked until a later date, I won't make a big deal out of it. - Zadok Rox 23:36, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
- It's only blocked against editing by unregistered users. If an unregistered user has a legit piece of info to be added, they can always use the talk page to bring it up. --abates 23:45, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
- Or register and then add it directly. (They should still provide citations/links for proof if need be, of course.)--Apcog 05:12, 8 May 2010 (EDT)
- It's only blocked against editing by unregistered users. If an unregistered user has a legit piece of info to be added, they can always use the talk page to bring it up. --abates 23:45, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
Continuity
Might just be me, but shouldn't we place this under "War For Cybertron" continuity or something? Apparantly, it follows the game (or at least the prequel comic, according to the page itself.
-ThiAthEhn
- I'm still not clear on where Magnus Maximus got that from, since it's uncited. We really need to wait and see before we make a decision. Plus if WFC and Prime are in the same continuity, an argument could be made to place WFC in the Prime continuity rather than the other way around.--abates 05:14, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
- Ask Walky. He assured me that the link between WfC and Prime has been confirmed, but just didn't mention where or when. That's why I added the {{fact}} tag, so that he or someone else could cite it. - Magnus Maximus 05:45, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
- Aha! I see! --abates 06:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
- Ask Walky. He assured me that the link between WfC and Prime has been confirmed, but just didn't mention where or when. That's why I added the {{fact}} tag, so that he or someone else could cite it. - Magnus Maximus 05:45, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
So isn't the "link" with WfC just speculation from someone working at TFWiki? There's no citation, and should not be under "CONFIRMED news." --75.28.55.135 21:37, 9 June 2010 (EDT)
- I believe Walky said it came directly from the Hasbro reps at toy fair. If so that's confirmed enough for me. And if it turns out to be wrong... eh, we'll know for sure in two weeks at Botcon anyway. That's soon enough to just wait and deal with it then. --ZacWilliam 22:31, 9 June 2010 (EDT)
Chartacter list
If It's not Bumblebee, who CAN it be?TOM 11:08, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
- Yellow Cliffjumper, Bumper, Hot Shot, Armada Sparkplug... it's likely that it's Bumblebee, but there are other people that look like him. --NCZ 11:21, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
- Or a brand new character. I'm very certain that it is Bumblebee, but the producers may blow our minds and say, "Hey, you know your buddy, Bumblebee? Well, he's actually (place bad guy name here) in disguise. Remember Longarm Prime in Transformers Animated? Btw, TOM, to add a comment to a topic, just hit the edit button on top of the page and place your comment below the last comment. You can use colons in front of your statement to space it from the margin. You're learning the ropes and I'm glad you're making an honest effort to benefit this wiki, so don't give up. - Zadok Rox 13:28, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
New continuity family!
Hey, remember when I said WFC/Prime is probably Primax? Well, I lied! After BotCon's flurry of information I think it's going to have to be its own thing. Not only because, well, it deserves to be, but because it will make our lives a lot easier and our pages a lot clearer. Back when the movie came out, we also considered making THAT G1, but declined when we realized the sheer amount of material and focus would make it impractical. The same here. Also, comments from Aaron Archer put the new continuity in perspective.
He ALSO doesn't like calling it "Prime," since that's not what he wants to call it, but it's all we got at the moment. He doesn't have a name for this new continuity (family), but is trying to think of one eventually. So, uh, in the meantime, I think we're stuck with calling it "Prime." Dem's the breaks until we get a time machine and can ask 2012 Aaron Archer or whatever. --ItsWalky 11:01, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- Yeah, EVERYTHING was already pointing in the way of a new continuity family, so I'm glad the wiki now has the green light to separate this stuff. Not that that will spare me from redoing certain location articles, but it's at least a lot easier. Geewunling 11:58, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- P.S., do Demolishor (WFC) and Slipstream (WFC) have to be moved now? Geewunling 11:59, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- Optimus Prime (Prime)? Reminds me of Cyclonus (Armada). Anyway, looks like we're going to have to fix a lot of links and move a fair bit of information related to the War for Cybertron pages. --NCZ 12:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- I concur completely. This seems very much like a new continuity, albeit with very strong G1 and Movie influences, though the Unicron Trilogy and Animated get some characters and ideas dropped in as well.--Jimsorenson 12:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- As I said on Transformers: War for Cybertron ":I'm beginning to wonder if the "G1 continuity family" is heading towards collapse under its own weight. I'm not sure there will ever be another franchise that isn't "terribly G1y" in the future. The discussion a few years back about whether Movie and Animated belonged in their own continuity families, the synthetic nature of the Hall of Fame bios, the integration of Mini-Cons into G1 universes, all point towards a blending effect in TF universes." --Khajidha 12:42, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- I concur completely. This seems very much like a new continuity, albeit with very strong G1 and Movie influences, though the Unicron Trilogy and Animated get some characters and ideas dropped in as well.--Jimsorenson 12:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- Optimus Prime (Prime)? Reminds me of Cyclonus (Armada). Anyway, looks like we're going to have to fix a lot of links and move a fair bit of information related to the War for Cybertron pages. --NCZ 12:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
While Archer may not like calling it "Prime," that would seem to be the parenthetical if we follow the same protocol we did for the Unicron Trilogy. Franchise of origin and all. Alternately, we could tag all of them (WFC) if they first appeared in that game, but that doesn't seem quite right.--RosicrucianTalk 12:46, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- Then we'd wind up with another Shattered Glass/Timelines situation where it really made no sense why some were tagged one way and some another (at least not to the more casual fan). --Khajidha 12:50, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- Exodus had the same street-date as WFC, didn't it? I know we're having this discussion simultaneously on Allspark, which... probably isn't a good idea.... but I suggested "EWP" as a suffix until something better comes along. --Thylacine 2000 13:02, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- I would suggest using either "Prime", "WFC" or "Exodus" (only one of them though!) until something clearer comes along. "EWP" just seems needlessly confusing. --Khajidha 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- I tend to think (Prime) is the best suffix we'll get, since we normally use franchise and Prime seems like the most likely candidate to be the franchise name. Exodus and WFC are definitely not franchises, but Prime might be. Of course, one wonders what will happen if Hasbro decides to completely move away from the concept of franchises... --Jimsorenson 13:14, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- According to the TFormers.com BotCon report, Aaron Archer said Hasbro wasn't planning on doing TF:Prime toys. And, for that matter, we know there are WFC toys, so at the moment WFC actually looks more franchisey. But that having been said, I still vote for "(Prime)" across the board because that's almost guaranteed to be the most prominent, central, and dominant element of this continuity. - Jackpot 13:43, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- Aaron Archer said he "wasn't there to talk about toys," but the fiction/show/cartoon. I think this statement was being misconstrued. --ItsWalky 13:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- Ah, thanks for clarifying. That did seem like an odd decision on Hasbro's part. - Jackpot 13:48, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- Aaron's wording was poorly-chosen. He really did say something like "right now there isn't a toyline," and of course he could only have meant it as a figure of speech to cover what he was willing to talk about during that 20 minutes and not that there actually isn't a toyline. It's impossible that there wouldn't be a toyline. You don't make a CGI toy commercial without them. --Thy, not logged in.
- Or it could have meant that the details weren't ready for a public reveal or that the figures would simply be released as part of the unsubtitled "Transformers" line. Lots of ambiguity. --Khajidha 14:15, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the toys just ended up in the general Transformers line, which would make TF:Prime about exactly as franchisey as WFC. Still, like I said above, even if there WEREN'T any toys I would still lean towards "(Prime)" for its likely real-world dominance. - Jackpot 14:33, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- Or it could have meant that the details weren't ready for a public reveal or that the figures would simply be released as part of the unsubtitled "Transformers" line. Lots of ambiguity. --Khajidha 14:15, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- Aaron's wording was poorly-chosen. He really did say something like "right now there isn't a toyline," and of course he could only have meant it as a figure of speech to cover what he was willing to talk about during that 20 minutes and not that there actually isn't a toyline. It's impossible that there wouldn't be a toyline. You don't make a CGI toy commercial without them. --Thy, not logged in.
- Ah, thanks for clarifying. That did seem like an odd decision on Hasbro's part. - Jackpot 13:48, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- Aaron Archer said he "wasn't there to talk about toys," but the fiction/show/cartoon. I think this statement was being misconstrued. --ItsWalky 13:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- According to the TFormers.com BotCon report, Aaron Archer said Hasbro wasn't planning on doing TF:Prime toys. And, for that matter, we know there are WFC toys, so at the moment WFC actually looks more franchisey. But that having been said, I still vote for "(Prime)" across the board because that's almost guaranteed to be the most prominent, central, and dominant element of this continuity. - Jackpot 13:43, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- I tend to think (Prime) is the best suffix we'll get, since we normally use franchise and Prime seems like the most likely candidate to be the franchise name. Exodus and WFC are definitely not franchises, but Prime might be. Of course, one wonders what will happen if Hasbro decides to completely move away from the concept of franchises... --Jimsorenson 13:14, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- I would suggest using either "Prime", "WFC" or "Exodus" (only one of them though!) until something clearer comes along. "EWP" just seems needlessly confusing. --Khajidha 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- Exodus had the same street-date as WFC, didn't it? I know we're having this discussion simultaneously on Allspark, which... probably isn't a good idea.... but I suggested "EWP" as a suffix until something better comes along. --Thylacine 2000 13:02, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
- Has anybody tried to mock up a Prime (franchise) page that could explain how the Prime TV show, WFC videogame and Exodus novel are related and give a comparison/contrast to other franchises? I think I've got an idea what's going on, but I'd like to see a coherent write up from someone who has seen the actual materials. --Khajidha 15:01, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
- I don't know if the "Prime (franchise)" page would be the best place for that. That would be for the cartoon stuff and related toyline. But we need a continuity page, like Movie continuity. Based on the September Q&A we could call it the "modern continuity". That's what Hasbro called it. - Starfield 18:19, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
- Because it's "modern" as in HAPPENING NOW, not as if it was a proper noun! Calling it "Modern" would be astoundingly dumb. --M Sipher 23:21, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
- Are you calling Hasbro dumb? That's what they called it. For better or worse "modern" is sometimes used like that. "Modern architecture" doesn't mean the style of architecture right now. I have a "modern continuity" page ready. I almost pressed "save page" but I checked the recent changes and found this. We need a continuity page anyway. I think I will hit save before I go to bed. It can be moved. - Starfield 23:47, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
- Do you understand the difference between lower and upper case letters? --ItsWalky 23:54, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
- Tell you what, we'll resume this conversation when you learn what "context" means. And your "Modern (franchise)" page will be deleted. --M Sipher 23:56, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
- Not "modern (franchise)". "Modern continuity", as in Category:Continuities. I din't think it was a proper noun anymore than movie continuity is. You can delete it, I suppose. Or, if it is a good page, you could rename it whatever you want. Like "War for Cybertron/Exodus/Prime continuity". - Starfield 00:07, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
- I thought it was a good page. Probably did need to be moved to a better name. But then it was deleted. Um, oh well? --KilMichaelMcC 00:58, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
- I saved it as a text file. I could reload it under a different name if anyone wants. Just let me know what name. - Starfield 11:14, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
- I thought it was a good page. Probably did need to be moved to a better name. But then it was deleted. Um, oh well? --KilMichaelMcC 00:58, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
- Not "modern (franchise)". "Modern continuity", as in Category:Continuities. I din't think it was a proper noun anymore than movie continuity is. You can delete it, I suppose. Or, if it is a good page, you could rename it whatever you want. Like "War for Cybertron/Exodus/Prime continuity". - Starfield 00:07, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
- Are you calling Hasbro dumb? That's what they called it. For better or worse "modern" is sometimes used like that. "Modern architecture" doesn't mean the style of architecture right now. I have a "modern continuity" page ready. I almost pressed "save page" but I checked the recent changes and found this. We need a continuity page anyway. I think I will hit save before I go to bed. It can be moved. - Starfield 23:47, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
- Because it's "modern" as in HAPPENING NOW, not as if it was a proper noun! Calling it "Modern" would be astoundingly dumb. --M Sipher 23:21, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
- I don't know if the "Prime (franchise)" page would be the best place for that. That would be for the cartoon stuff and related toyline. But we need a continuity page, like Movie continuity. Based on the September Q&A we could call it the "modern continuity". That's what Hasbro called it. - Starfield 18:19, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
- Has anybody tried to mock up a Prime (franchise) page that could explain how the Prime TV show, WFC videogame and Exodus novel are related and give a comparison/contrast to other franchises? I think I've got an idea what's going on, but I'd like to see a coherent write up from someone who has seen the actual materials. --Khajidha 15:01, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
Timeline
Transformers.com timeline: [1] It's basically the story from Exodus with Sentinel Prime exchanged for Zeta Prime, with screenshots from the game. --ItsWalky 18:10, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
Sue Blu gone?
I saw news notes from Comicon saying something about Susan Blu no longer working on the show. Does anyone know if she's gone completely or just stopped working one one part of the show. --ZacWilliam 07:31, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
- Yeah I updated that awhile ago, forgot to mention it here. --FFN 18:35, 6 August 2010 (EDT)
A review by Variety (worry not; no spoilers) gives quite a few bits of information on credits, and it mentions Sue Blu as the voice director. So, what? Did the reviewer make a mistake or did she come back? I'd say we should just wait until the show airs, but I thought I might as well bring it up. --NCZ 23:33, 24 November 2010 (EST)
She's credited as voice director for the first two episodes. -- Anythingspossibleforapossible 07:13, 29 November 2010 (EST)
David Hartman as both the supervising director and art director
taken from his DAblog: http://sideshowmonkey.deviantart.com/journal/33585161 not sure if it's "news," but it is more confirmed staff. - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.208.61.72 (talk • contribs). 01:56, 2 August 2010
Move?
The Hub's press release render the title without a colon [2][3], should we move all Prime-related articles or are we happy just writing it our way? Alientraveller 13:01, 19 August 2010 (EDT)
Air date
Isn't a bit premature to announce that it'll air on this year's Black Friday? I mean, true, the TV listing there says so, but they are subject to change. --Lonegamer78 04:35, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
- Not to fear. I changed it from "will air" to "is scheduled to air". - Zadok Rox 09:53, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
Wrong!
This page has incorrect information!! This takes place in the movie universe for 1. 2, It only has five episodes for the whole series as it is a MINI series. It has nothing even close to related to the War for Cybertron game. Sadly, I can't fix this because the page is LOCKED. :( Jman98 05:16, 13 November 2010 (EST)
- No, you're the one who is incorrect. ---Blackout- 05:17, 13 November 2010 (EST)
- Jman, atleast wait until you see the show first before making these presumptions. While you wait, read the 'Exodus' book. - Zadok Rox 09:55, 13 November 2010 (EST)
- You are exactly the reason this page is locked. --ItsWalky 10:51, 13 November 2010 (EST)
- Don't believe, go to this link ---> [4] --Jman98 14:44, 13 November 2010 (EST)
Protecting
Since Seibertron has posted details of the first two episodes, should we protect this page against anon editing to minimise spoilers? --abates 20:59, 22 November 2010 (EST)
- It appears to already be protected. --NCZ 21:12, 22 November 2010 (EST)
- A quick spate of protecting individual character articles will also not go amiss. I could really go for not having this blown for me before Friday. - Chris McFeely 21:19, 22 November 2010 (EST)
- I've protected the episode titles as well, because creating a new page means the text shows up in Recent Changes. --abates 21:31, 22 November 2010 (EST)
- A quick spate of protecting individual character articles will also not go amiss. I could really go for not having this blown for me before Friday. - Chris McFeely 21:19, 22 November 2010 (EST)
Episode 1 Credits
Have fun.
01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
And, yes, these were obtained on the up-and-up. --Monzo 18:35, 25 November 2010 (EST)
- Do you have the writer/director credit for the episode (would presumably have been displayed at the start) --abates 18:59, 25 November 2010 (EST)
It has already aired.
I just saw "Darkness Rising pt 2" three days before it was supposed to air. Is this a schedualing error or is only "the main event" supposed to happen November 29?
- Reading the first sentence of the article would answer your question. —Interrobang 18:48, 26 November 2010 (EST)
Faces and the kids
The robots all have Lego-esque faces, especially Optimus'; he's hardly heroic looking. The kids once again prove that Hasbro have yet to learn from past mistakes. -- Anythingspossibleforapossible 07:51, 29 November 2010 (EST)
- Human characters are a mistake, huh? Wow, you aren't gonna make many friends here! --ItsWalky 08:05, 29 November 2010 (EST)
Human characters have always been a problem. It's apparently mandatory. It's not like others haven't complained - and there's been many.
The kids are too similar to the ones on Cybertron, among other things. -- Anythingspossibleforapossible 09:21, 29 November 2010 (EST)
