Talk:Bullets

Roulette

I seem to remember First Aid pegging Roulette as a male in this story, which might mean it's a different Roulette than the female one, obviously.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nu-Priest (talk • contribs){{#if:18:25, September 15, 2010 (EDT)| 18:25, September 15, 2010 (EDT)|}}.

Might be presumptuous, but Roulette is a repaint of a male character, and all that's changed to make her a her is her head, which was missing from this Roulette. It's possible First Aid just didn't know/couldn't tell.--Carrion 18:33, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

Well, I sincerely doubt the presence of the head would deter a doctor from being able to tell the robot's "gender". --Nu-Priest 20:59, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

Considering you had to put it in quotations...--Carrion 21:11, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

I also think a doctor would know. Besides, she is from the Beast Era. The 2005 IDW continuity doesn't have a Beast Era, as far as we know. - Starfield 01:04, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

Her character is retroactively from the Great War/G1. *rethinks-previous-statement*You know, this version of Roulette could easily be a dude, if Jhiaxus or whoever hadn't made him into a her. I forgot about that little detail about IDW continuity's females. --ItsWalky 01:11, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

Heh heh, yeah. It depends on how the "female genome" is spread, I guess. Maybe later Roulette realizes he was meant to be a she all along. (There's probably a weird but interesting story in there somewhere.) -hx 06:35, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

If we're going to acknowledge Roulette exists in IDW continuity, I think the femmebot with the blatently copied color scheme from AHM #14 should get recognized. --Xaaron 18:41, 17 September 2010 (EDT)

...yeah, um, I don't think you've seen the two characters side-by-side. It's not the same color scheme. --ItsWalky 19:22, 17 September 2010 (EDT)

I accept your challenge! I am now holding Universe #1 and AHM #14 side-by-side. Gold helmet, gray face, blue eyes, gold and gray chestplate, purple and gold on the legs, vehicle kibble on the thighs...uh, yeah. It's not an absolutely slavish recreation, but for comparing a Cybertronian mode to an Earth mode, I'd say it's a damn near perfect match. --Xaaron 20:39, 17 September 2010 (EDT)

We've seen Roulette's Cybertronian mode! And the colors are all totally jumbled and in the wrong proportions. I would say the generic's color scheme is reminiscent of Roulette, but is absolutely not in any way Roulette-enough to be considered her. Much in the same way that the dude she's with is so totally not Side Burn, despite folks' claims. --ItsWalky 20:47, 17 September 2010 (EDT)

We saw two modes for Roulette, before and after the Cauldron. Both had your standard Earth-like tires, and none of the Cybertronian sleekness or hover-stylings we've seen on other characters. Even if we had previously seen A Cybertronian mode for her, though, IDW has created numerous NEW Cybertronians designs for characters (Megatron, Ratbat, Blaster, Arcee, etc.). It's a female Cybertronian, in Roulette's basic color scheme, in a role close to Sunstreaker, whom she was connected with at her introduction. We've made positive IDs on far less than that before. Not acknowledging that femmebot as Roulette is one thing, but ignoring her AND saying this unseen, undescribed male Transformer IS her IDW counterpart just seems bizarre. --Xaaron 22:41, 17 September 2010 (EDT)

Maybe if the AHM female had Roulette's head... I mean, if we color a random guy like Wheeljack approximately sort of in Wheeljack's colors, does it make him Wheeljack? --ItsWalky 22:44, 17 September 2010 (EDT)

Wheeljack has possibly the most distinctive head in the history of Transformers, so that comparison doesn't really work -- Roulette is just another face-in-helmet variation. And again, the femmebot's helmet is approximately the same as Roulette's: length-wise cheek panels, "chin-strap", sloped ridge on the forehead, two points on top. Is every detail an artistically perfect recreation? No. But neither were IDW's Cybertronian mode Skram, or Road Rocket, or Primus-knows how many other redesigns. --Xaaron 10:49, 18 September 2010 (EDT)

Maybe someone should just flat-out ask James on the IDW board, he frequents it enough. I just think it's a case similar to "Wing" in Drift # 1. Cool name, randomly chosen. --Nu-Priest 22:33, 17 September 2010 (EDT)

Guys... are you seriously having an argument about bending over backwards to explain why a one-note male character should be the same character as a female from another universe? - Chris McFeely 11:10, 18 September 2010 (EDT)

I think we stopped talking about the Dude Roulette ages ago. Now we're talking about the girl-who-sorta-looks-like-Roulette-because-she-has-similarish-colors-but-a-different-head-which-we-will-ignore. --ItsWalky 11:25, 18 September 2010 (EDT)

Basically, I'm arguing that if a femmebot clearly based on Roulette colors/appearance ISN'T her IDW counterpart, then a description-less text-only male TF who happens to share the same name shouldn't be Roulette's counterpart either. Ignoring the AHM femmebot is one thing; recognizing a character even LESS like Roulette in lieu of her is another. There should be a separate page for the dude-bot under Roulette (IDW) or Roulette (male) or something. --Xaaron 12:03, 18 September 2010 (EDT)

Yeah, that's basically what I was getting at from the get-go.--Nu-Priest 13:15, 18 September 2010 (EDT)

I'm confused-- is this the female from Sunstreaker's story? Because I assumed that was Airrazor. She's standing in front of Sideburn, we see someone I assume is Bulkhead in the same panel, and I assume the orange fellow behind her shoulder on the next page is Survive. -Derik 13:13, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

Roulette (G1)

If we're creating a page on the new Roulette, we create it at Roulette (G1), not Roulette (IDW). Why? Because we disambiguate by Franchise-of-Origin. There are no conflicts between the two Roulettes, franchise-of-origin-wise, so there's absolutely no reason to disambiguate the new Roulette by publisher. --ItsWalky 13:30, 12 October 2010 (EDT)

I guess I'm confused how this works. I thought we wouldn't use (G1) as an identifier if both characters are from Generation 1 continuity. We differentiated Fasttrack (IDW) and Fasttrack (Scorponok), for instance. --Xaaron 14:08, 12 October 2010 (EDT)

"... from Generation 1 continuity" is where you make mistakes. We don't disambiguate by continuity. We disambiguate by franchise. --ItsWalky 15:49, 12 October 2010 (EDT)

This is the sort of problem you get because G1 is both a franchise and a continuity family. Both characters are from the G1 confam, but only the new guy is from the G1 franchise. Personally, I would avoid using G1 in situations like this one. I'd limit G1 to those characters that truly are "G1", the ones that existed before there was anything else. But, policy is against me (and you). --Khajidha 14:27, 12 October 2010 (EDT)

So Fasttrack is like that because both IDW comics and 1987 toys are released under the G1 franchise. Universe is in the G1 continuity, but is a separate franchise label, and therefore "not G1". Like Dropshot (G1) and Dropshot (Universe). Okay...I think i get it. --Xaaron 14:40, 12 October 2010 (EDT)

Exactly. --Khajidha 14:54, 12 October 2010 (EDT)

Related pages

Bunch of new pages need to be made for this story. The list on Withered Hope helped me out, so...

Characters: Pharma (G1), Roulette (G1), Ambulon, Schema, Dodger, Animus, Gideon, Tripwire, Tremorcon (Seizor, Aftershock (G1), Fracture (G1), Tectonix), Agent 113, Crest, Hyperion (G1), Kaput, Jetstream, Atomizer, Calculus, Violator, Heliobot

Locations: Delphi on Messatine, Babu Yar, Hydrus 5, Debris in orbit of Klo, Igue-Moor Fuel Depot, The Exit Rooms, Grindcore (prison), Karashi-Delta, Morobishi Canyons

Other: Pale Fire, Decepticon Justice Division, Survivor (Babu Yar), Room 113, Ethics Committee, Surge (event), Gideon's Glue, Magnus Inquiry, Non-Conventional Weapons Act, Unmentionable, Malevolent Counterintuitive Pathogen, Operation: Retrieval, Black phosphex (redirect to glass gas), Novic Medal for Outstanding Valor, Fatal Consequence

Whew. --Xaaron 12:39, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

I made some link suggestions. - Starfield 11:12, 20 September 2010 (EDT)

Rung's patients

The medic who checks badges is obviously First Aid, the data processor who believes he's a right leg is Lightspeed...any idea who the paranoid cadet is? --Xaaron 15:38, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

Red Alert? Seems like the obvious guess. --72.79.209.160 08:59, 20 September 2010 (EDT)

Ark-1 = Ark (G1)

Rung has a model of the Ark-1 on his desk. This is probably the Ark (G1) that was retroactively given the name "Ark-1", no? Just checking. - Starfield 21:30, 20 September 2010 (EDT)

Can we put the little Autobot symbols back in?

I think it would be useful to break up the summary into "chapters" like the story and using little Autobot symbols like the story did seems like an interesting way to do it. - Starfield 11:09, 21 September 2010 (EDT)

Watermark, or hidden image?

This is gonna sound crazy, but there's some kind of hidden image on the second, and last pages of Bullets. It's not just what's on the other side of the page showing through, since the pages are too thick, and the shapes don't match up with the other side anyway.--Carrion 04:30, 4 October 2010 (EDT)

The Number 113

In the UKTF issues, it's part one of "Wanted: Galvatron, Dead or Alive" - the first TF appearance of Death's Head, yes? -hx 07:02, 3 January 2011 (EST)

Minor changes in hardcover edition

It looks like the story's had some minor rework in the new hardcover edition of Wreckers - is it worth adding this to the notes section? Shafau 12:34, 2 March 2012 (EST)

Yep. --ItsWalky 12:39, 2 March 2012 (EST)

Fisitronisms

Is it worth mentioning the obvious reference to Furmanisms, both within the Wreckers: Declassified excerpt at the start and the one at the end? It feels like a piece of trivia worth nothing but, since it hasn't been so far, I don't want to be presumptuous and just add it myself. ALEXAN2507 (talk) 17:24, 16 August 2023 (EDT)

Fisitronism mentions it already, although it wouldn't hurt to have it noted here too. Saix (talk) 18:07, 16 August 2023 (EDT)