Talk:Optimus Prime (SG)

Hey there, Don't wanna seem overly touchy, but howcum this article has been given a cleanup tag? I put a stub tag on it myself (since I created the article), but I would've thought that'd be sufficent. Can you please articulate what elements need "cleaning up", as opposed to merely expanding on? --PacifistPrime.

While the page is certainly stubby, it doesn't seem to require cleanup to me. JW 21:10, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Separate page

Do we really know enough about this guy to say if he's not from the G1 continuity family yet? If all the folks from his universe are G1 guys, but evil, that doesn't seem enough like a departure for me. We need more information before we can decide to split this dude off into his own page. --ItsWalky 07:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Even if Shattered Glass does belong to the G1 continuity family, I think its characters likely warrant pages of their own. --KilMichaelMcC 08:00, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Shattered Glass is really distinctive enough for a separate page. --TX55 08:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

To elaborate on my view: the concept of a "mirror universe" strikes me as fundamentally different than the standard "alternate universes" we're used to dealing with. While the cartoon, Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW, etc. universe versions of G1 Optimus Prime all present different takes on what is essentially the same, single character, the idea of Shattered Glass strikes me as creating a new, distinct character who "mirrors" the original rather than being a version of him. --KilMichaelMcC 08:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm just worried about setting a horrible precedent for the future, or maybe a slippery slope. This might be the Gateway Drug to making the Marvel and Cartoon Shockwaves different pages, who knows! And soon enough, we'll all be forced to marry dogs and drive cattle to work. You know how it is. --ItsWalky 08:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys, this is somewhat repetative of the discussion already begun on the Talk:Shattered Glass page. Can I suggest we keep this more general discussion to one page or the other? I'd recommend the other page, as this debate is pretty just general principles so far and that's the overall page for Shattered Glass, whereas this is just for SG Prime, really. PacifistPrimePP 00:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Third trivia note - why?

Seriously, why is "He is, of course, the evil 'Shattered Glass' counterpart to the heroic Optimus Prime" worth noting? Shouldn't it be bleeding obvious? If this is allowed, then why don't the other Shattered Glass pages have similiar trivia notes, eg Jazz having "He is, of course, the evil 'Shattered Glass' counterpart to the heroic Jazz". Can I get an explanation please? Bobpiecheese 03:00, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

I have to agree. Back when Shattered Glass was new it was perhaps worth noting, but it's incredibly superfluous now.--Rosicrucian^Talk 03:10, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

I completely diasgree, and feel that every Shattered Glass character should have such a note. Yes, it is "obvious" but, well, so what? --KilMichaelMcC 03:13, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

There's this thing we have up at the top called a "disambiguation". --M Sipher 03:28, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

Which most of the time directs you to a list of multiple characters. Being the backwards-universe incarnation of a specific character is an inherent component of what every Shattered Glass character is, so having a line stating that somewhere in their article makes perfect sense to me, no matter how "superfluous" it may seem. --KilMichaelMcC 03:34, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

I feel that if Shattered Glass borrowed from multiple different continuity families (G1, Beast Era, RID, etc...) it would be worth noting, since it wouldn't be glaringly obvious at that point which "Sideswipe" or whatever this Universe has a counterpart of. Since, as of right now, all the characters (Well, except for Sideburn, but who knows where they're going with that...) are G1 in origin, we should just have a note on the Shattered Glass main page about the characters being counterparts to G1 and that's it. --Ascendron 03:40, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

And Demolishor... --abates 04:00, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

SG's Universal Stream address indicates that it is, indeed a 'Generation 1' universe.

But that same US address implicitly raises the possibility (I'd go so far as to say probability) that we'll eventually see a Shattered Glass Animated or Unicron Trilogy, at which point we'll probably be moving all these articles to "(Shattered G1)." (Yeah, I'm not looking forward to it either.)

Having a standard location somewhere where we note, unambiguously, "Shattered counterpart to this incarnation of this character" seems like a good idea. -Derik 04:14, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

Basically, I vote for either:

A note on the Shattered Glass franchise intro saying that most SG characters are G1 in origin, and then random non-G1 characters like Demolishor, Rick, and Will get a note on their own pages.

We just make everyone's continuity header say "...is from the Shattered Glass portion of the Generation 1 continuity family" without a trivia note (...except for Demolishor, Rick, and Will, who'd still need one, really.)

A separate disambig3 template to use, since the disambig2 ones pretty much always end up saying some variation on "evil counterpart/good counterpart" already. --Jeysie 04:23, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

I might favor that sort of {{disambig3.5}}... I've sorta been wishing for awhile that we had a way to disambig "Skids (Movie)" and "Skids (ROTF)" that acknowledged that there was more than one guy with the name in the same continuity without jumping up into the disambig. -Derik 04:39, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

Oh, yeah... turns out we have something like that anyway: {{disambigrotf}}. Well... there you go then. Let's make a generic one of that template, and switch over and delete the ROTF-specific one. Because really, that's the place that such a note should be whenever possible, not in the Trivia. --Jeysie 09:58, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

Something like this: User:Jeysie/Disambig3.5 for instance. Example:

This article is about the evil Autobot leader. For the original heroic Autobot leader, see Optimus Prime (G1){{#switch:{{#sub:Optimus Prime (G1)|-1}}|!=|.=|?=|.}} For a list of other meanings, see Optimus Prime (disambiguation).

(Although it needs a less sucky name. I don't have any ideas myself, though. :/ ) --Jeysie 10:17, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

That sounds ideal to me. (I'd favor "for his heroic counterpart" or some such.) I agree we do need to call this out somewhere. It's another case of "obvious to us" but "not at all intuitively obvious". (and I say that even as my initial instinct actually is to say "yeah, that's so obvious!") -- Repowers 10:33, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

Definitely necessary, IMO. Especially as we will undoubtedly get a SG version of some other continuity family at some point, and we'll undoubtedly get some SG characters drifting occasionally into non SG universes. If there is one consistent trend with Transformers, it's that ideas tend to migrate. --Jimsorenson 10:38, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

Nova Prime's Autobot Symbol

So, I just got his figure in the mail today, and noticed something interesting. The Autobot symbol on his chest/windshield is blue, almost Wreckers blue while still being the same standard shape. While it could be coincidence, is it possible that the blue is meant to represent the "purified" version of the SG Autobots by their Unicron? Sadly, the art for Another Light shows no one with faction symbols once they got transformed by Uniron, so I don't know if this is a coincidence, a one-off, or just a cool side-note. Thoughts?

It might be blue so that it is neither the SG nor G1 Autobot symbol's colors, meaning a person could use the toy to represent either IDW Nova Prime or SG Nova Prime. --ItsWalky (talk) 21:34, 18 November 2017 (EST)

That is a remarkably good point, one I'd not thought of. The box doesn't specify which Prime he is, though the bio is of SG Nova Prime. I suppose it'd be more of an interesting trivia point than anything else. (Also, I really should remember to add my signature next time.)--NewtypeS3 (talk) 22:09, 18 November 2017 (EST)

MP-10: Takara Tomy or Hasbro?

The Masterpiece SG Optimus Prime appears on the Masterpiece mold: Convoy template under Takara Tomy. It appears on the Masterpiece toyline page under Hasbro. I moved the mold template entry to Hasbro to match the Masterpiece toyline page. Someone moved it back and insisted it's a Takara Tomy release. I moved the entry on the Masterpiece page to match the mold template, someone moved it back to Hasbro. This is ridiculous. I always understood it was a Hasbro Generations release, just like YOTH Optimus Prime; yet YOTH remains on the Hasbro versions page. The MP-based SG figure only has the Hasbro logo and a Generations identifier on the front of the box, and gives Hasbro's Pawtucket address on the instruction sheet. Saying "using their numbering" doesn't hold any water because Hasbro has been using MP-nn numbers since 2013, and has their own MP-10 Optimus Prime release. For the record, there is literally no "MP-10SG" anywhere on the box or instructions; if it's an identifier at all, it can only be an internal one. I don't even care where it goes, but it should be correct and it should be consistent. --TGB (talk) 03:39, 8 June 2018 (EDT)

Yeah, what’s the issue here? MP-10SG should be categorized as Hasbro for reader understanding. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 04:20, 8 June 2018 (EDT)

Is there an SG Roller?

I'm a bit curious, does the Masterpiece SG Optimus Prime come with a Roller or not? I'm just wondering.--CyclonustheWarrior (talk) 16:43, 12 January 2019 (EST)

Switching bodies with Ultra Magnus in IDW SG2 #5

Should the new SG Ultra Magnus toy be added to this page since Optimus Prime has been transferred to Ultra Magnus’ body? Bass X0 (talk) 20:32, 12 February 2023 (EST)

"Optronix" branding

I feel like I should point out that in the last year like 4-6 different pieces of Transformers merchandise coming out of China have begun labeling their Shattered Glass Optimus Prime repaints as "Optronix" or "Optimus Prime (Optronix)." Action figures, model kits, etc... but ALWAYS the ones with the purple Autobot symbol, not Decepticon symbols -- those are still Nemesis Prime.

It seems like the Chinese Transformers community has settled on the name Optronix to distinguish SG Optimus from Nemesis Prime without anyone noticing. But I have no idea how to stick that on the page. -Derik (talk) 20:26, 5 September 2024 (EDT)